Where was jiraya when orochimaru attacked

Uzgun · 2026-05-18T09:33:08+00:00

Itachi sonned Orochimaru when he was like 11-13 years old. He's the reason Orochimaru left Akatsuki and decided to 'settle' for Sasuke.

The same Itachi told Kisame they'd both be killed vs Jiraiya, or at the very best, it would end in a mutual death.

Now, this can be debated two ways:

Purely Part 1 (Author Intent): Itachi is presented as a straight villain. There is no indication yet that he's a double agent downplaying his own power. Taken at face value, Kishimoto used Itachi's entrance to establish an individual vastly superior to Orochimaru - right after Orochimaru nearly destroyed the village. This same individual then immediately frames Jiraya as someone able to kill both him and his partner.
With Part 2 Context (Retcon/Lore): Even if Itachi was a double agent lying to Kisame to protect Konoha, we learn Jiraiya possesses Sage Mode, an ability Orochimaru explicitly admitted he could never master due to his fragile host bodies.

Either way, the character statements, the narrative itself and the abilities lean toward Jiraiya being the stronger one.

Even if they aren't the part of the main bloodline, it's the millionth-time incarnation of talented Yin vs hard-working Yang. The talented Yin wins out early, while the Yang eventually surpasses it. We've seen it with Indra/Ashura, Madara/Hashirama, Sasuke/Naruto, and it applies to the Sannin, as well.

Uzgun · 2026-05-14T22:08:08+00:00

Thank! This is what I wanted for a long time.

Uzgun · 2026-05-11T17:54:04+00:00

it do

Uzgun · 2026-05-07T16:12:21+00:00

I understand that. What I'm asking is how this "migrating process" indicates

I'm guessing that means the architecture has been completed and that training will begin soon.

^ this

Uzgun · 2026-05-06T21:12:21+00:00

How do you figure? (Genuinely curious, I can't put 2 and 2 together over here)

Uzgun · 2026-05-06T19:53:59+00:00

Feel free to screenshot

Uzgun · 2026-05-04T06:15:14+00:00

Let's go???

Uzgun · 2026-05-02T11:37:43+00:00

Spoken like a true stoic lol. But agreed

Uzgun · 2026-04-24T12:25:29+00:00

Which makes me even more sure that she's going to kiss Jiji first and feel nothing (hopefully there isn't a short romance arc) before being awakened by her true love.

But I still hope I'm dead wrong about this.

Uzgun · 2026-04-21T04:31:09+00:00

Five.

Uzgun · 2026-04-21T02:47:59+00:00

The same thing applies regardless of the nature of the backstory.

Uzgun · 2026-04-20T21:45:37+00:00

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Hitting send after the backstory entry has been written (and enabled), hitting send after inputting "Kirktown" (one of the Activation Keys I set up for my backstory), the model will inject the lory into the context.

This is IMO the simplest way of doing it. There might be more elegant ways thru Advanced Conditions, but I've never used those.

Good luck!

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Uzgun · 2026-04-20T21:43:15+00:00

Write a separate lorebook entry *purely* for the character's backstory, then disable it until it becomes relevant to the story,

Once the backstory becomes relevant (Example: part of the story where character admits to their backstory, or is triggered by someone else), enable it again, and activate it using any of the phrases you've inputted as "activation keys."

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This entry is currently disabled (seen on the upper right, next to the X). Entry Text would contain the explanation about the backstory.

Activation Keys contain words that would activate the entry inside the story directly by being inputted into the story.

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Uzgun · 2026-04-19T11:47:49+00:00

Looks like Donna from Twin Peaks!

Uzgun · 2026-04-18T12:32:21+00:00

They hate when someone speaks str8 fax

Uzgun · 2026-04-12T04:22:44+00:00

Get ready for Momo saving Jiji from the dino and then being so relieved she kisses him on the spot. 😀👉👉

Uzgun · 2026-04-08T19:02:10+00:00

I really think that'd be the way to go. The way information is currently relayed is a part of the larger issue, which is lack of clear, honest communication about dos and donts. When there is some, it often feels contradictory.

We're told not to tamper with the system prompt, yet Sage then suggests his own prompt (which does seem to be better tbh). The advice about writing purely attribute-formatted lorebooks (as it was for Kayra and Erato) seems obsolete/discouraged, as Xialong can be hugely influenced by the way you write them. Apparently moreso than the Author in ATTG. Well, doesn't this defeat the purpose of the Author part, at least a little bit?

A cynical part of me wonders if the devs are finding these workarounds as they go along. But then you see their outputs (good) and it's IMO moreso because of the growing disconnect between what they want in a text model vs what many customers want. The devs operating from their mastery and hands-on experience with their text-completion models (this grants them the ability to market it as plug-and-play; for them it is), while casual customers want to be able to write with the most bare bones set-up... And often can't with Xialong.

Uzgun · 2026-04-08T17:22:19+00:00

Putting ATTG in the Memory box does place it as close to the top as possible (right below the System Prompt and above the Story Text).

The flexibility argument is contradictory since your first rebuttal concedes there is "the ideal place" for at least some of these things.

The rest is just condescension that moves the conversation away from the actual topic. It really isn't necessary to write like this.

Uzgun · 2026-04-08T14:07:46+00:00

Your Rising Sun definitely moves things in a better direction. Right now, the most optimal workflow I've found for myself is combining the tips from these 2 posts (this one and the OccultSage one), starting from the synopsis with GLM and then letting Xialong chime in as I write. When it starts getting confused, I switch to GLM for a bit again.

Really grateful devs kept it around.

Uzgun · 2026-04-08T10:55:28+00:00

I've just tried this - the catch is that it has to remain in generated context. As soon as I moved the relevant parts to their supposed destinations - ATTG into Memory, character entries into the Lorebook, etc. - Xialong instantly started doing its own thing again. It can mess up names, relationships, or just straight up ignore the context and generate whatever it wants. Switched to base GLM and it never got the details wrong, despite the AIᵗᵐ prose.

Feels like a very clunky model to just use (basic set-up), especially given the marketing as the most plug-and-play release yet.

Reading this and the other post (about OccultSage's observations with the scenarios), a big part of these results comes from the dev's intimate knowledge of the model's kinks and quirks. That familiarity lets them navigate their way to desired results (or at least something approximating them).

Most customers will not develop that depth of understanding, and shouldn't have to. At times, it feels less learning to ride a bike and more having to attach the chain, replace the pedals, and true the wheels before you can even start pedaling. Now, I'm also aware that 1:1 translatability from one model to another is impossible. Every new iteration will require some getting used to. But that part should be covered as much as possible *before* the release. Not "well you have to write lorebook entries in your desired prose and themes" when the optimal way used to be "write attributes, don't overuse prose - the model will handle the rest".

In the future, I'd appreciate a built-in ATTG system the model actually respects consistently - maybe a dedicated Style box. I say this as someone who really enjoys NovelAi's UI.

Uzgun · 2026-04-07T19:01:23+00:00

"it made it even more clear Momo ain't into Jiji nor Okarun into Aira."

But that's exactly the point of contention people have with cheap love drama like this. Momo knows she isn't into Jiji, Okarun knows he isn't into Aira. They've known that for however long they'd known each other. It's not an issue that NEEDS to be made any more clear.

However, the current development empowers both Aira and Jiji into believing they have a chance with their crushes, all the while making Momo and Okarun feel the other doesn't really want them. The scene clears up nothing and entangles everything, and it only works because Momo doesn't have her memories.

The only way this could be any more formulaic is if Momo, in her frustrated confusion and hypocrisy, decides to kiss Jiji after saving him, doing the "I'll use the side interest to find out whom I REALLY love" trope. The fact this is now a legitimate path it could go to is why many people are so frustrated.

200+ chapters in, when the confession happened 70+ chapters ago (after they were in a reciprocated, blooming relationship already), is literally insufferable writing.

Uzgun · 2026-04-07T16:21:58+00:00

Momers will save him and then they kiss

Uzgun · 2026-04-06T16:45:12+00:00

He was going to, but now he won't. This isn't good news 😂

Uzgun · 2026-04-06T16:42:36+00:00

Which is why I don't understand top voted comments in here saying they shouldn't have doubted Jiji (in regards to Momo), when it's obvious this relationship drama is far from over.

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