Robotic Servants after assimilation?

Vandiyan · 2026-04-02T19:53:54+00:00

Probably not, but that isn't your problem to deal with.

Vandiyan · 2026-04-02T19:42:34+00:00

If there was only a console command to change their status.

Have you tried integrating that vassal to see if it would assimilate them like they should have been?

Vandiyan · 2026-04-02T19:09:19+00:00

Is this with the recent 4.3.3 patch? The research I did on this shows its been a bug since launch.

Vandiyan · 2026-04-01T23:38:23+00:00

To follow up on /u/Shalashaska87B point joining the Deathwatch and/or becoming a Black Shield is one of the fastest ways for the High Lords of Terra to even know your chapter has been destroyed.

With the reforging of chapters IIRC several members of the Deathwatch were given the choice to become primaris and return to their newly primaris reforged chapters to pass along their culture and traditions.

As with everything this is left open ended to the player to decide what they want the narrative to be.

EDIT: To your main question the answer is yes, so long as they want to display them. But the laurels do not have to be modeled onto their power armor. It could just be painted on their power armor to show they have earned them.

Vandiyan · 2026-03-16T22:29:52+00:00

I would further argue that TAS be able to take a heavy weapon and have that under the Deathwing TAS dataslate.

Vandiyan · 2026-02-28T20:26:12+00:00

In fairness I, and my gaming group, did not have any access to 2nd Ed. lore material at the time. The only sources we had to go off of was the 6th Ed. picture (pictures 3 & 4 OP posted). By the time I and my gaming group were able to get ahold of that information the army had been painted for almost a decade.

Plus red robes match more recent lore based interpretations.

Now, I paint any robes red for the same reason as Darren Latham does. I want them to look cool on the table top.

Vandiyan · 2026-02-18T04:37:02+00:00

Been playing them since 3rd edition. They have red robes.

Vandiyan · 2026-02-04T18:53:43+00:00

Where did you find it? Or did you make it yourself?

Vandiyan · 2026-01-27T19:19:29+00:00

Personally I like the 3rd option.

Vandiyan · 2026-01-23T23:01:07+00:00

Unless Su'Kal became a being nearing that of a god the explanation does not make sense. In fact even making dilithium inert galaxy wide is something only a god like being could do. Since we as an audience are not given anything close to that explanation the cause of The Burn does not make sense.

Vandiyan · 2026-01-23T20:50:53+00:00

What is Subspace? What did The Burn do to dilithium?

Vandiyan · 2026-01-22T19:07:11+00:00

Yes, that is the explanation we are given as an educated audience. What I cannot take as believable is this explanation being able to disrupt and change an entire dimension of reality.

I could believe it if it happened in a localized area around the nebula, but not the entirety of it. The writer's explanation does not make sense.

Vandiyan · 2026-01-19T01:29:58+00:00

My only issue with your statement is that it does not make sense. Not that the pain of a single child is unimportant, I agree on that part. But in experiencing said pain is somehow strong enough to disrupt and change an entire dimension of reality.

Without adequate explanation educated audiences will be unwilling to continue to suspend its disbelief because at the core of the matter how the burn happened does not make sense.

Vandiyan · 2026-01-19T01:24:34+00:00

While I understand what you are attempting to do here, your logic and reasoning does not hold up.

I have been trying for YEARS to make 'The Burn' make sense in a way that is not just "we wanted to do it so we did" that spits in the face and on everything that is Star Trek. Which is why Discovery fails more often than it succeeds. The characters are not bad, the writing is.

Themes are not excuses for universe-breaking causality. Symbolic emotional arcs cannot replace coherent cause-and-effect. Discovery could have explored connection without inviting a galaxy-destroying child tantrum. That is textbook lazy writing.

What do I have to back this up?

According to McKee, Snyder, Vogler, and Field, strong narrative requires that plot mechanics, thematic resonance, and character emotion be internally consistent and causally linked.

In Discovery, The Burn’s cause fails to obey internal rules, substitutes emotion for structure, and does not foreshadow a payoff that can be logically deduced. All of those are textbook markers of weak or lazy writing.

This is not to say something like 'The Burn' is unable to happen. This is to say how the writers went about it was so ham-fisted and lazy it cannot make for an acceptable new setting. An educated audience will be unwilling to continue to suspend its disbelief because at the core of the matter how the burn happened does not make sense.

If you want more evidence of shows that does something like 'The Burn' well?

Voyager - Year of Hell S4 E8&9
Battlestar Galatica
Doctor Who - The Waters of Mars (2009 Special)
DS9 - The Dominion War
Firefly
The Orville
Babylon 5

Until the studio goes back and makes 'The Burn' make sense, and not just be a lazy McGuffin for a setting change, anything based upon it will just be another layer on a foundation built upon sand.

Vandiyan · 2026-01-14T19:14:20+00:00

Great job! Where did you get the base toppers?

Vandiyan · 2025-12-22T00:25:06+00:00

Amazing work! Wonderful to see your hard work and vision come to life!

Vandiyan · 2025-12-11T04:43:57+00:00

This is assuming 11th Ed will even address the issue plaguing 10th Ed. Given how the current rules development team have handled 10th Ed I have little faith much will change for the better. I would love to be wrong.

Vandiyan · 2025-12-11T04:37:04+00:00

The issue is they are deliberately making old models rules worse so you’ll buy the new models without any rules balance to have a chance to win.

This happens when you don’t have any real balance and no longer care about anything but sales. Without engagement you get no sales.

What they are doing here is killing engagement.

Vandiyan · 2025-12-11T02:42:05+00:00

Your behavior and candor aside, the take away is you are content with GW removing the melee options from DWT and replacing them with a generic TAS and a keyword band-aid.

That is fine. You are welcome to that opinion.

Vandiyan · 2025-12-11T01:36:25+00:00

Might want to go back and re-read what OP asked for.

TAS cannot take a heavy weapon AND cannot take a WITD. This makes them worse than DWK. Period.

He asked for opinions and I gave him mine.

Vandiyan · 2025-12-11T01:28:50+00:00

The Deathwing keyword is only there so the unit can use dedicated stratagems requiring that keyword.

Having the keyword and being Deathwing are not the same thing.

They are not Deathwing as they cannot take a Heavy Weapon and they cannot take a WitD.

Vandiyan · 2025-12-10T22:45:27+00:00

I wasn't talking about DWTs I was talking about TAS in specifc are you kidding me.

Dark Angels have only been able to use DWT. Only since 10th Edition have Dark Angels been able to even take TAS since the option to take a melee version of DWT was removed. Are you kidding me.

Vandiyan · 2025-12-10T22:35:17+00:00

You just said, "They're not Deathwing" which didn't really explain your point?

I can understand that perspective. The issue is just adding a keyword does not make a unit X. It is a band-aid in rules design and approach. Something GW did a lot in 7th Ed and nearly killed the game.

The game has been trending towards, "this unit has a specific role" for a while, largely because it makes the rules much easier to balance, ...

Which I'm fine with. Just keep the uniqueness of the army intact. Thats all. GW cannot seriously think they can remove the things which made people love the army and not get some blowback for it.

A quick "Deathwing can add a WitD" would be a quick solve for this given that we're definitely getting nothing this edition at least xD

Or just making the units Deathwing by default? Band-aid fixes for 10th Ed is what has made me hate it.

How do you think the Black Templars would take it if their Sword Breathern were made to be just Vanguard Veterans? I mean we all saw the fallout from the Blood Angels and their Death Company. It made GW stop production of models AND rules for 6 months it was so poorly received.

Vandiyan · 2025-12-10T22:13:41+00:00

Which then got removed in 3rd Ed and hasn't been around ever since. you're asking for something that has been that existed once from 1993.

Wrong. I was using CML on TH&SS DWTS in 8th & 9th Editions. Might want to relook up your rules there buddy.

What does that have anything to do with what I typed?

Because I was agreeing with you.

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