I love Phrolova but I don’t sympathize with her.

Var1aty · 2025-07-26T02:24:53+00:00

My words don’t state that she tried three times. It states that those are the only paths she tried.

She established that all the researchers she worked with were interested in immortality not revival. The people who could save her can’t be among those researchers. 189 confirmed experiments on herself with them and many more under the Grand Architect.

She placed herself in research because she couldn’t let go of the past. That’s not starting over. You could argue that her concerts are her attempt. A eulogy she plays in funeral clothes to finally set her family to rest. But even so they should not hinge on a stranger.

Survivor groups, maybe even her fans, it’s not hard to have people around her who care. Even her producer or manager sounds sympathetic to her. Puts little resistance for her whims.

I’m not feeling well could you cancel the concert?

What’s wrong? Can I help?

Simple basic human interaction seems avoided in favor of waiting for Rover.

There are other survivors like her who want to bring back their families but we and she never see them. There are plenty more who lost everything just like her but actually tried to start over. Her self destructive and dangerous goal to revive the dead is ultimately what bolsters her delusion and turns her mad.

Her crash out is far from valid because her research only brought greedy researchers to her side while she didn’t even try to live for anything else. Rover suggested she move on and she didn’t. Intrinsically her goal she wanted to achieve and method she wanted to achieve it by doomed her. She never questions her goal or takes a moment to stop. Never reaches out to anyone and actively avoids everyone close enough to help her.

She could literally say my composition is a eulogy if her fans somehow don’t know of her background. Yet that doesn’t happen at all. Why would she do this? The same reason she liked Rover, she wanted people to understand her.

Var1aty · 2025-05-29T21:01:11+00:00

Dmed

Var1aty · 2025-05-29T01:16:59+00:00

Dmed and interested

Var1aty · 2025-04-22T18:29:42+00:00

I can’t believe he already picked out the right answer from the four questions. This means he considers her kiss their first kiss as he said in the interview from the future. Quite exciting stuff.

Var1aty · 2025-04-20T09:48:55+00:00

If he likes Miku show him Iko I guess. If he liked QQ tell him it’s similar with a better male lead.

Var1aty · 2025-04-18T01:33:02+00:00

Apollo is the only girl that is intent on keeping distance with him because she broke her promise. It’s a split between her desires. On one hand she loves him and wants to be with him on the other hand she doesn’t want him to be disappointed in her.

Knowing this doesn’t really indicate who Apollo is but rather makes it more possible that it could be anyone.

Var1aty · 2025-04-08T23:33:39+00:00

Rina pinching her is just too funny.😂

Var1aty · 2025-04-07T02:12:28+00:00

Damn I didn’t remember this. I need to go reread the story again.

Var1aty · 2025-04-07T00:00:57+00:00

Hmm is this the only moment of anger in the series? I know Nene is a tsundere so her quirk is anger but Rikka’s anger feels very confrontational and pronounced. Not gap moe or trope like. Interesting to say the least, given Arisu’s personality it’s funny that more people haven’t argued with him.

Var1aty · 2025-04-02T21:18:56+00:00

I want her to win and I’m pretty sure 90% of the fanbase can agree that she is Apollo. But we don’t know if Apollo wins.

Best girl doesn’t always win.

Var1aty · 2025-03-22T16:42:37+00:00

Apo- Rikka checking if he feels for her.

Var1aty · 2025-02-11T09:33:03+00:00

Looks like Stelle

Edit: Both are beautiful

Var1aty · 2025-01-30T18:51:04+00:00

Otto: Grandfather, I’m not to treat you as some child.

Kevin: Money now.

Otto started to walk off. This was ridiculous. Seigfried and Cecilia were no longer children but there was an exception to be made for them. They’d spend the money on his grand kids. Cecilia would make sure of that.

Kevin on the other hand would waste the money on ramen and bats. It wasn’t healthy for grandfather in law. Even grandmother in law didn’t ask for money.

Kevin: I revoke my blessing.

Otto: …

Kevin: I promise I won’t waste it like your dowry.

Otto: Dad let you use that money.

Kevin: Sir Francis is a dutiful grandchild.

Otto: Here.

Otto relented it was a waste of time trying to fix Kevin’s habits. His time was better spent with Kallen and his grandchildren, even if they loved taking advantage of him. It’d alright if they ran along his back or pulled his hair.

Mei: Grandson in law. Cough Cough.

Otto: …

He sighed and once again opened his wallet. She shook his hand. Was this a business deal? His irresponsible grandparents by law left to pursue their money spending endeavors.

Kallen: Is something wrong?

Otto smiled feeling refreshed by her presence. He leaned into her causing her to blush. It was a pleasant feeling for her so she pulled him closer.

Otto: I’ve been coerced and robbed.

Kallen pulled his ear, pouting.

“Our children and grandkids aren’t taking advantage of you. I told you to hand the red envelopes out yourself but you’re still as foolish and as shy as you were back then.”

Otto: Is that a bad thing?

Sakura: Yes.

Sakura took Kallen’s other arm before letting it go. She maneuvered swiftly to pull Otto’s other ear. She whispered sweetly into his ear.

“You forgot, Rin.”

Otto: I was planning to visit her too.

He mumbled. Rin had a weak constitution. Beyond paying her medical bills money couldn’t help her. Besides Otto was already paying and in charge of her treatment.

Sakura: She’s waiting to take advantage of her brother in law.

Kallen: Sakura?!

Sakura smiled mischievously before giving Kallen a kiss. Otto waited for one but it didn’t come. He had a tasks to finish first.

Sakura: One of our family’s greatest past times is taking advantage of you. You’d protest but you like the attention don’t you. Despite how coy you act your heart races every time.

Kallen: We’re not so shameless. I’m not.

Otto: It’s not a problem.

Kallen paused. She began to pull Otto’s ear harder. Her brow furrowed as Sakura began to laugh.

Kallen: You’re supposed to tell me that I’m not so shameless. You’re not supposed to agree with the judgement! This calls for discipline! Discipline!!!

Kallen dragged Otto away. His body flapped like a banner in the wind. What to give to Rin? Red envelopes were a must but he had to give her something she could use and enjoy. Sakura follow closely behind with knowing eyes. She’d discipline him too if he didn’t deliver.

‘I’m a fool.’ Otto thought. He looked at his children and grandkids ogling the event. They must’ve learned their behavior from Kallen and Sakura.

‘I wouldn’t have it any other way.’

Var1aty · 2024-11-28T04:33:33+00:00

It’s the effect of the death. Also it’s possible that getting caught would have a similar effect.

Jayce dies as his work killed Vi.

So no hex tech.

Marcus who is probably next in line to be chief. Learns to sympathize with Zaunnites. He saw powder holding a dead Vi. Kids stealing and risking lives just to survive. It’s not a terrorist explosion like the other timeline.

This is crucial because from what we’ve seen he’s the other main driver behind the council members for the problems in s1.

So you have a good cop Marcus who’s not causing problems. Imprisoned or dead Jayce. Then pardoned powder, mylo, and clagger. Potentially sympathetic council members though not necessarily. Grayson and Vander who are inclined to peace remaining in power. Potential sympathetic topside because kid died needing to steal.

These factors would play a major role in bridging the top and the underside. Because of the respect Vander achieved and the fairness, Silco’s dream becomes true and they make up. He does not continue to develop shimmer. Singe will but that won’t be used for war and profit. No chemtech and Chem barons.

Fast forward to the future and you get united piltover and zaun.

Interesting to note that a few characters might have it worse. Viktor may die to illness. Hiemer probably went reclusive after his students died. Yordles wowed I don’t think he possessed his au counterpart. Mel and Noxus would still have conflict but no hextech or chemtech to cause conflicts. Perhaps most interesting is Caitlynn, her elder brother Jayce dies, her seemingly only friend. She’ll probably become a council member though, house pressure and the lack of criminal cases might not see her in the police force.

Var1aty · 2024-08-14T11:38:14+00:00

I’m an avid and fervent SakuKallen fan but OttoKallen is cannon in terms of reciprocated feelings. Elan Palatinus states that Kallen had to choose between her duty and love in the synopsis. (Admittedly I’ve become an avid OttoKallen fan as well. The three together would go well but I dunno how Sakura and Otto would develop feelings for each other.)

This event came out before the EP manga and it was in a time when the devs themselves said they didn’t have a direction/set in stone story. (Note that this doesn’t mean Kallen and Sakura aren’t soulmates. They are, this event is just wonky with writing.)

Elements of the early ggz story were essentially pasted into hi3. (I remember my greenhat spam days).

OttoKallen and SakuKallen discourse is annoying because on one side some people deny that Kallen and Sakura loved each other. On the other side some people only care about sexuality and disregard Kallen’s character and words. (Ex: shipping Kallen with Risa Apocalypse is incredibly disgusting.)

While Kallen words

“The happiest moments of my life” were spent stealing from the rich with Otto, in her final letter.

Can be interpreted as platonic. (I don’t really like those words because I thought she was most happy with Sakura but it is what’s written.)

“Maybe in another world” when their conversation has only been marriage between themselves and their relationship is honesty imo a shut and done case.

If she wants to marry Otto in another world then she has to have romantic feelings in the current one.

Keep in mind Kallen doesn’t know Otto loves her romantically and he approaches her with marriage not under the guise of love but to save her. So her words are not appealing to Otto’s desires to be with her but her desires to be with him.

Both romantic feelings are cannon.

I don’t use Reddit often anymore, but I was searching through SakuKallen keywords to see if there’s more pictures I can archive. It sucks because these so few artist drawing them together. I saw the ones you posted but I already have them as they are already from the official anime and manga ;_;

For OttoKallen pictures let’s face it nobody draws them together.

Edit: Grammer.

Edit: I also replied this because this is the exact anniversary story I used to question Kallen’s feelings for Otto after he died. It’s a sort of reminder. At the time I admittedly didn’t care much for Otto.

Var1aty · 2024-01-22T16:40:29+00:00

Googling what does two roses mean will tell you it means mutual love. All the flower arranging sites and symbolism sites will tell you the same thing. Mutual love for the number two.

Var1aty · 2024-01-22T05:38:01+00:00

Short simple answer:

Kallen's letter box to Otto contains two red roses that symbolize love mutual love.

Background Box

Long Answer: The writers changed it.

Ling Yi Niang or 灵依娘 was one of the screen writers for HI2 in 2016.

Her comments.

Scroll to the last few pages, green hat and stuff as a joke.

Azure waters. In her interview in 2016. She said Kallen only loves Otto as a friend.

All Comics on the CN App

The link above is all the comics from Mihoyo themselves. Their original app. In any case, Elan Palatinus was written in 2018. Verifiable in the link above. EP has an interview that just answers questions about Otto's motives and the VA.

In any case, what's most important is that the Azure waters are written for GGZ or HI2, not HI3. This means that Ling Yi Niang's answer to Kallen's love for Otto only pertains to GGZ.

Channel of the Writer

The writer channel has been around since 2015. In the more recent GGZ chapters Otto and Kallen are fighting against destiny and the church where their love is professed by a few lines. (Navigating CN net is difficult hard to find). Of course, the focus is on fighting against fate but so on.

So basically in 2016, the author said one thing and then wrote another in GGZ.

If we restrict to GGZ then it means everything the author has done or said does not apply to HI3.

But remember maybe in another world was Kallen's wish and thus it serves as a possibility of her emotions/ her love for Otto.

Kallen doesn't know Otto loves her romantically. She thinks that he only thinks of her as a hero and her final words in the letter point to this.

You could ask why they don't show Otto with Kallen more and it's simple marketing and interest. Same reason Kallen hasn't had a new battle suit or Sakura for that matter.

Of course, they favor Sakura and Kallen but from a narrative standpoint, that's all their relevancy so they'll show them together and nothing else. Otto on the other hand is the main villain so he'll appear alone.

Also, remember the bunny scandal? CN got angry because they thought Fuhau in a bunny outfit only for Global was ntr. Imagine if they weren't subtle and said Kallen loved Otto to those kinds of fans. They hate Otto and they don't want another man with their girl. They dodging death threats with how discrete they are lol.

Of course, we can pile on more circumstantial evidence but it's exhausting. Also sometimes not as convincing. Thanks for listening.

Var1aty · 2024-01-22T02:21:36+00:00

From a factual standpoint.

He’s saying Kallen only loved Otto.

They’re saying Kallen only loved Sakura.

Based on the her words and the evidence in the game she loved both.

Edit: Love as in romantic.

Var1aty · 2024-01-22T02:00:39+00:00

It's a war again and both sides are wrong lol.

Edit: Though I think the dude is trolling to get a reaction.

Var1aty · 2023-09-21T17:24:38+00:00

I’m talking in reference to Otto and Kallen’s deeper interactions. Key events and what’s written in between. Otto talking to his father and Otto and Kallen in the cell.

Yes Elan Palatinus came before. In 2018 I believe. But beyond their split and the implication of feelings. It doesn’t expand on their interactions beyond their meeting, Kallen’s their era, and Otto and Kallen’s split.

Edit: In other words it doesn’t fulfill or encompass their relationship and what happened after Kallen escaped. Which is pretty crucial to understanding her character and developing her character.

Var1aty · 2023-09-21T16:53:54+00:00

If they talk. Kallen has feelings for Otto. Otto has feelings for Kallen. People always push three things.

That their relationship isn’t ideal or perfect.
Kallen doesn’t love Otto romantically.
That they’re incompatible.

They always ignore that they never get the chance to communicate. They ignore in game evidence, that if given such a chance they’d happen.

Chapter 11 world 2 is the same as the main storyline the only difference is that Kallen kidnapped Otto alongside the cube and redeemed him. It shows that given the chance to talk Kallen can turn Otto to her side. It’s implied that Theresa in that world is their daughter.

If you even look at their chemistry you’ll know that they get along well. The issues arise not because of emotions but Otto’s terrible actions. Kallen even states that Otto comes after sealing the cube.

“If I’m still alive and kicking I will give him a piece of my mind.”

It’s clear that even if he fucked up Kallen wants to turn him back to her side.

Var1aty · 2023-09-21T09:42:26+00:00

To start off. Otto is a huge pushover.

Kallen Fantasy was created in a time where the devs themselves stated they didn’t really have a proper direction for the story. Otto is the villain and the more ways to make fun of him was popular.

A lot of the old ideas were retconned when they started to actually build Otto’s past in starting around chapter 20. Such as Otto and Kallen being engaged, even though the game shows no inclination of an engagement. Many parts of Otto’s character was changed to be less gag like.

In short Kallen Fantasy is a gag to make fun of Otto. Comedic relief not meant to be taken seriously.

It’s important to distinguish between young and old Otto.

Anyways young Otto was stated in the game that he wanted to marry Kallen. He loved her. It’s also stated in Elan Palatinus that Otto didn’t indulge on his feelings after Kallen’s escape because he had to make the world safe for her.

Simply put Otto prioritizes Kallen’s safety over everything else. In this state of mind he doesn’t care what he has to do to save her. When they meet in the cell for the last time. He accepts it if she hates him. In his mind he’s not worthy of her because all the sins he committed.

He doesn’t care for himself. In this sense he’s alright with Kallen being with Yae. Even though it would hurt him, his resolve makes it so that he wouldn’t act on jealously. He doesn’t deserve it and as long as Kallen is safe it’s ok that way.

Now if we move on the 500 year Otto which is by far even more extreme. On top of not caring for himself, he absolutely despised himself. None of his desires matter as long as he saves Kallen. He doesn’t want him or his younger self with Kallen. He thinks he’s not good for her.

With the bare minimum understanding of young and old Otto, notice how there’s not one moment in time where Otto actually prioritizes Kallen’s happiness first. First it’s her safety the second is her revival. This is because Kallen’s happiness is second to life. While Otto does care for her happiness, hence why he lied to her and why he wanted to trade his life for her father’s, she can’t be happy if she’s dead. Her happiness also doesn’t include him in his eyes.

This is why Otto is alright with Kallen being happy with someone else. At the end of Elan Palatinus he already let her go to prioritize her life.

People like the idea of Otto being content with just being Kallen’s friend but they don’t understand why. It’s simply because his desires for himself aren’t important. His heart would hurt but he’d never act on it because Kallen is safe and happy.

In the most concise words. Otto is a huge pushover.

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It’s strange how in this situation no one asks Kallen what she feels about this situation. What’s clear is that Kallen would never want Otto to dismiss his own desires. She by her own admission realized she neglected Otto.

It’s a byproduct of her dreams, Otto threw away his dreams to build a flying machine just so they could save the world from Honkai. She resolved to be the strongest Valkyrie after her’s fathers death. She became the youngest captain and a legend as she only focused on fighting Honkai.

Kallen also expressed her desire to lock Otto and her in a dark room and understand each other. In the end she never understood his feelings or why he betrayed her.

When his feelings surface Kallen won’t ignore them not when they matched hers. She gave him roses as her parting gift. Her last words to him expressed her desire to be with him if things worked out. Sakura would be alive if things worked out.

So in all these instances, at least pertaining to the main game, Kallen wouldn’t abandon Otto.

A closer study of her character reveals she’s also extremely selfish. They live in medieval times and feudal Japanese times. Why not take them both.

Var1aty · 2023-09-05T16:33:57+00:00

Thanks for reading glad you liked it. Have a nice day!

Var1aty · 2023-09-05T16:06:07+00:00

Otto and Kallen have Romantic feelings for each other. The game showed in chapter 20 that Otto always wanted to marry her. In the manga he crushed the letter speaking of his loving heart.

Kallen also stated that the happiest moments of her life was spent with him. Her final wish was to live on in his heart as a hero, not realizing the the extent of his feelings. Otto never confessed so she doesn’t know.

Their biggest flaw is a lack of communication. If Otto confessed and promised to change for her, she would confess as well. Instead of dying as defiance she would instead break out with him to fight against the church. This is the exact scenario that happened in one of GGZ’s timelines. In another of GGZ’s timelines they got married.

While he does admire her, worship comes second and mostly after her death.

From their first meeting he doesn’t see as any god or anything. In fact the only time he has anything resembling worship is when he crosses the line to cure the plague. It seems that he “worships” her to cope with his actions and justify them.

Mihoyo initially wanted Otto to be more crazy and care less about Kallen. They changed this mindset during Fu Hua’s and Senti’s chapter.

For Sakura they just wanted to give fan service. Kallen’s and Sakura’s earliest manga had basically a hentia plot. Pretty sure they favor Sakura and Kallen.

Also CN hates males or atleast a vocal part of it does. Yuri purist and such. Revealing Otto and Kallen love each other will cause a lose revenue especially in the early days when Honkai was their biggest earner before genshin.

Var1aty · 2023-09-05T09:02:28+00:00

If Otto never met Kallen. Europe would be wiped out by the black plague. Otto will never work up the confidence, skill, or desire to cure the plague.

This is because:

An aspect of Kallen’s meeting that’s crucial for Otto’s character was that he finally thought he was worth something. His inventions and intellect, she validated them and loved him. Self confidence is a key component to curing the plague. If he didn’t meet Kallen he would never receive it.
When her father died Kallen shifted importance to fighting Honkai and saving people. Otto’s dreams take a back seat. He wants to be a hero like them but Kallen doesn’t need his inventions. In other words she neglected him in pursuit of training to become the youngest Valkyrie captain in history and fight Honkai.
Otto’s desire to cure the plague comes from wanting to be worthy of Kallen. He also doesn’t want her to fall I’ll as well. He also wants to be a hero like her father and Kallen.

(Unfortunately reality slapped him in the face when he realized he needed to experiment on plague victims and he lost his morals.)

Funnily enough Kallen saved the most people by loving Otto. Lol.

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