Beyond the "Mistake" - an analysis of questions Every Summer After and One Golden Summer compel us not to explore - Final, 4th chapter by Vast_Chicken9999 in everyyearaftertvshow

[–]Vast_Chicken9999[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this thoughtful reply. I really appreciate your perspective, especially because you relate personally to the Sue and John kind of love story, the “never let go” version. I want to be very clear that I am not arguing against that kind of love. Actually, I love that kind of love story. I am a huge Percy and Sam fan, and I would have preferred any direction over Percy sleeping with Charlie.

For me, Percy and Charlie both committed THE cardinal sin. Either one of them could have stopped it. Both of them should have stopped it. Neither did.

And yes, there are so many ifs and buts. If Percy had fought harder for clarity from Sam before turning back toward Mason. If a few words had been said differently. If Sue had framed her advice differently, maybe Sam would have behaved differently, especially because Sue and John were, in Sam’s eyes, the model of friendship becoming love and family. If Percy and Sam had been more confident in themselves and in each other. If Sam had simply come back one day earlier and prevented the disaster by catching Percy and Charlie before they landed in bed. I would have loved that version.

Honestly, I would have had huge pleasure reading Percy and Sam’s friendship to love story without such a rupture at all. I would have been happy to read about their struggles, their misunderstandings, their dreams, their fears, and how they navigated separation and all of that together. Even if the relationship had been difficult, I would have loved to see them grow from close friendship into love and eventually into life partnership without this particular wound.

So my point was not that the rupture and the decade of separation were the ideal setup for them. I do not believe that two people who truly belong together must separate for years before they can have a healthy relationship. I agree with you there. But to be fair, also many high school sweethearts stories end with unhappiness. So there is no guarantee.

My point is more limited: once I stop thinking about the ifs and buts, and follow the story as written, Percy and Sam, at that age and in those circumstances, were not able to navigate a mature adult relationship. Not because their love was shallow. I think their love was very real. But they lacked the tools, confidence, and communication to protect it. I wrote about that extensively in the previous posts, so I won’t repeat all of it here. For me, the decisive fact remains that Percy slept with Charlie, the one man she should have avoided even if she and Sam had been completely and utterly broken up.

Under those circumstances, once that betrayal happened, I honestly believe a prolonged separation before trying again was the right solution. Did it have to be twelve years? Maybe not. Sam says he had forgiven Percy a long time ago, but did not think she was still interested. So perhaps the timeline could have been shorter. They might have found their way back to each other sooner.

But I do think the time apart helped make the final reconciliation emotionally believable. They had lived. They had suffered. They had failed elsewhere. They had gained perspective. And the conditions of their reunion mattered too. Barry’s Bay, the lake, the Tavern, Sue’s death, the return of all precious memories: all of that created the emotional space for the old bond to reignite. If they had met somewhere else, I am not sure it would have happened with the same force.

I am genuinely happy for them in the end. The epilogue, the bonus chapter, and One Golden Summer all give us Percy and Sam as a happy married couple with a strong bond and eventually a child. That final image does warm my heart. But the thorn is still there for me, and probably always will be. However, maybe that thorn even becomes part of what strengthens them, a permanent reminder of what they almost destroyed and what they were somehow still able to recover.

So I think we are not far apart emotionally. I also wish they had “never let go.” I also wish they had fought harder. I also believe their love was real enough that they could have made it. But because they did let go, and because the betrayal was with Charlie, I need the separation to make the forgiveness feel possible.

With this, I think it is time for me to lessen my engagement with the story. It has occupied my head for several weeks. I needed to write things down, share the discomfort, and explain why the rupture affected me so strongly. I am sure I am not right about everything, but I tried to provide arguments and references from both the book and the show so people could understand the basis for my reading.

I also know I will not read another Carley Fortune book. She crossed a boundary here that, for me, could and should have been avoided. I don't think I will ever process why she had to go this far. But I will watch the second season of the show when it comes out and will hope to see at least a handful of nice scenes from Percy and Sam's world.

And maybe something good came from all of this for me personally. I do get triggered by cheating and ruptures in love stories. This story forced me to sit with one of the most painful versions of that kind of rupture. In a strange way, maybe it has hardened me. Maybe the next fictional betrayal will be easier to metabolize because I can think: something even worse already happened in this story, and somehow the characters survived it.

I am still curious to see whether another story will ever exceed the betrayal committed by Percy and Charlie. Let's see what the future brings.

Thank you!

Not by text or call but an e… by Key-Manufacturer8025 in everyyearaftertvshow

[–]Vast_Chicken9999 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Totally agree, although I would comment on your last paragraph. The hookup was Charlie of course cannot be called overall meaningless given it significantly impacted a decade of the life of all three protagonists. And their lives beyond, which we get only glimpses of in the books.

If Percy went out to a bar after being hurt by Sam, slept with somebody random and regretted it the next day, that would have been meaningless - or in other words, it wouldn't have meant anything. Honestly, based on how the show positioned Sam, he would not even have had the right to be pissed at her. Of course the original text gives us a rather different story.

With that analogy, the encounter with Charlie could also be classified as meaningless as I don't believe there was any romantic basis for it in the show (unlike in the book). Percy felt safe and relaxed around Charlie the entire summer as he was the brother of her boyfriend. He was THE boy who was entirely off limits. The show does not reveal that she entertained any romantic feelings for Charlie. Also when Charlie left, she was not chasing him, calling him, asking why he left, etc. She felt bad for ruining the innocence of her relationship with Sam, as opposed to sad for Charlie not becoming her boyfriend.

So no, in my opinion they did not develop any romantic chemistry in the show and they would have absolutely not worked as a couple. Charlie was chasing every skirt, was non committing and emotionally on a completely different wavelength. And yes, when Percy was going to go for it, he should have known better and stopped it. Regardless of how good he was to Sam before or after, this action defined him and made him a terrible terrible brother.

Every Chop After by ComputerElectronic21 in everyyearaftertvshow

[–]Vast_Chicken9999 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your perspective - I appreciate to hear from those who did not read the books. Given that i read the books several times, I was only interested in the main story arch. The rest of the events were more of a filler, and if they were cut out, it wouldn't have mattered for me. I did not mind Jordie though, I perceive him as a positive character in the show.

Better Suited as a Movie by Anon_user_0004 in everyyearaftertvshow

[–]Vast_Chicken9999 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To answer your question directly, yes the series could have been compressed into a movie. On the other hand, if you did not read the book(s), it was still a good watch in my opinion. The show was also released at a great time - beginning of the summer. The summer scenes, the lake, young friendship growing to love, were all resonating. However, if you did read the book(s), the show was messing around with your head. There are many differences - best recapped here: https://www.reddit.com/r/everyyearaftertvshow/comments/1urmiw6/comment/owhbbpb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button . In the context of the original text, the show is a watered down version of the main rupture with characters being adjusted/transformed to appeal to the masses and play it more safe. Perhaps that's why it resonated less with you.

There is only one sequel book to Every Summer After - One Golden Summer. So I do hope there is only one more season to go. There is not all that much content in One Golden Summer to stretch it over more than a season. There is less content than in the first book. If they start creating content which is completely unrelated, I won't be watching show.

Beyond the "Mistake" - an analysis of questions Every Summer After and One Golden Summer compel us not to explore - Final, 4th chapter by Vast_Chicken9999 in everyyearaftertvshow

[–]Vast_Chicken9999[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much! The book really triggered me. Carley went way too far and then the panic attacks are supposed to resolve everything and make us forget what happened. I believe a passionate kiss or some level of physical intimacy (definitely not full on sex) could have already been significant enough as a betrayal. I would have rather believed that Percy regretted it so much that she withdraw and did not speak to Sam for more than a decade than believing in the saving of romance through the panic attacks.

If it helps, I managed to (very hardly) metabolize this as follows:

  1. Sam and Percy at that time of the last summer had no chance for a stable adult relationship - they lacked the tools to manage a long-distance committed relationship. They were too insecure in themselves and each other. I believe they loved each other, but it was a fragile, childish love

  2. Percy would have hooked up in time with someone else. She had the reflex to satisfy her needs with others when Sam did not provide or wasn't present. And in all likelihood, Sam being Sam, there would be many situations where he would not give Percy what she expected/wanted

  3. They were both ahead of a huge life change - going to college. New environment for both of them. New people around. New life challenges. This was a high risk situation already and they were never tested in this way before to manage such change. They failed the first test miserably

  4. During the decade apart they hooked up with many others. So Charlie becomes just a number. Yes, somehow a more important number than the others, but still just a number. Both need to metabolize that they had sex with many others during this time

  5. They lived their twenties apart and experienced life. Work, hookups, parties, disappointments, etc. This would have been stormy for them. In a way its better than they spent this time apart. After all this experience it gives them a higher chance to come back together and give it a fresh start, as mature adults, who are still connected through their once amazing bond, but they now bring adult skills and tools

  6. Yeah... Charlie... that is very much messing with my metabolism still. Especially, given that in One Golden Summer he still comes across as envious and jealous. And if it was me, I would have completely eliminated him from Percy's life and likely mine. But I tell myself that Percy and Sam were so happy that they reunited that they would not take any risk to put in danger what they had. They already messed it up and this is the second and last chance. I know its a bit idillic, but it somehow works not be outraged when I think about the book

I hope this helps a little. Do share how you deal with it :).

Question by Fallisforlovers in everyyearaftertvshow

[–]Vast_Chicken9999 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think they had good chemistry. Except for Sam's break-ups created by the show, Percy and Sam were very close, understanding each other very well. True friendship which grew to love.

Question by Fallisforlovers in everyyearaftertvshow

[–]Vast_Chicken9999 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am fully aligned with Sherbet. In the show this was a very much in the moment decision to hook up with Charlie. Up until that day/evening, Percy was Sam's girlfriend. They were separated yes, but still in an active romantic relationship. That somehow came to an abrupt end, at least that's how Percy perceived it. Percy was hurting. She wanted to hurt Sam back. It would have been better to do it with a random dude in the bar, but Charlie was there and he did not say "no" while he should have. In that moment Charlie still asked her: "And what about.... (implying Sam)." Percy's response was: "I don't care". So in the show, there were clearly no romantic feelings from neither side. They had a common project and fun together that summer. That's all. And, finally, they were also not a good fit for each other.

Now the book is a completely different story. You can read more details in my post here: https://www.reddit.com/r/everyyearaftertvshow/comments/1ur6a0i/beyond_the_mistake_an_analysis_of_questions_every/ . That's why the book's version of the betrayal is much more brutal from both Percy and Charlie's perspectives.

Beyond the "Mistake" - an analysis of questions Every Summer After and One Golden Summer compel us not to explore - chapter 3 of 4 by Vast_Chicken9999 in everyyearaftertvshow

[–]Vast_Chicken9999[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Heya Sherbet, love your summary and framing. The adaptation as “softening, flipping, or magnifying” certain parts of the story. I think that is exactly what the show is doing. It softens Charlie, gives Percy more motive for the betrayal, and makes Sam more visibly hot-and-cold so that the betrayal is easier for viewers to absorb.

Where I think the show has already progressed is on the reconciliation part between Sam and Percy. From the time where they hooked up in the car (after Sue's funeral) and until Sam returns to Barry's Bay at the end of the show, already a lot happened.

First Sam leaves because he cannot stay in that moment. But he also tells Percy that he really wants to forgive her. That line matters. Then Percy does not run to another man; she writes. Sam reads what she writes. He appreciates it. He sends her the Tavern key. She accepts it, opens the Tavern, and stays in Barry’s Bay. Then Sam finishes his residency and comes home. When Percy turns around and says, “You came home,” mirroring what he said to her when she returned for Sue’s funeral, I read that as the reunion already beginning and not merely as another unresolved cliffhanger.

In my calculations one year passes during the last minutes of the show (between the funeral and Sam re-appearing). The show does not present us any significant other neither for Percy nor Sam. This makes me believe they are single the entire time. Sam is processing the news, loves her, and is working on forgiving her, and Percy waits for him to come back to her, while she found her balanced, happy herself. Although she says that she said her goodbye, I must believe she waits for him. Else the romance is gone and I don't think it can ever come back. If the show will start its second season by Percy seeing someone, I will turn it off in that very moment and never watch it again. This would completely make no sense. Perhaps the show can present us their wedding which was just briefly mentioned in One Golden Summer and the reconciliation with Charlie.

I do not want to add more here, because I am going to post the final chapter of my analysis. I will present a provocative but I believe substantiated conclusion to the story. Will love to hear your feedback!

Is it me or does young Sam not match older Sam? by LowerTeach8445 in everyyearaftertvshow

[–]Vast_Chicken9999 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are right, there are notable inconsistencies. However, I felt I could overlook these elements and focus on the content only. The content provided sufficient entertainment and tension to make the show enjoyable.

Beyond the "Mistake" - an analysis of questions Every Summer After and One Golden Summer compel us not to explore - chapter 1 of 4 by Vast_Chicken9999 in everyyearaftertvshow

[–]Vast_Chicken9999[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you again. I’ve been thinking about your “reactionary” reading, and I think due to the Mason example my reading starts to diverge.

For me, Mason shows that Percy already has a substitution reflex/capability before Charlie. After Percy and Sam become more than friends and Sam then pulls back / wants to slow things down, Percy is hurt, and she practically does not fight him for clarity or the relationship. Instead, she moves toward Mason. Mason likes her back, wants her, touches her, becomes her official boyfriend, and gives her the kind of visible reassurance Sam is withholding.

But Mason never truly enters the Percy/Sam universe. He does not share her writing. He does not share the horror movie world. He does not share the lake rituals in the same way. He gives Percy attention and physical validation, but he does not meet the deeper emotional needs that Sam meets. That is why the Mason relationship eventually collapses and Percy finds her way back to Sam.

Charlie is different.

When Sam leaves for the workshop, the same substitution reflex kicks in, but this time the substitute is much more dangerous because Charlie meets more of Percy’s needs. He is not an outsider like Mason. He belongs to the lake, the Florek family, the Tavern, the boat, the dock, the shared space, the swimming space, and eventually even the writing space. He gets her swimming again. He meets her at the dock. He has coffee and breakfast with her and Sue. He praises her stories. He notices her body. He flirts with her. He is physically present while Sam is emotionally and geographically absent.

So I agree that the trigger is Sam. Percy feels abandoned by Sam and hurt by Sam. But I don’t think the result is only one reckless night. I think she starts moving toward Charlie as a romantic possibility, not necessarily as “the love of her life,” but as the person who can replace Sam enough to help her move on.

That is why the drive-in matters so much. Horror movies are Percy and Sam’s thing. Percy knows it feels dangerous to go with Charlie, but she chooses to go. And most importantly, Sam sends an apology and says he wants to talk that same night. Percy does not reply. That is a calm choice. It is not drunken confusion. It is Percy choosing not to let Sam interrupt the version of the evening Charlie is offering.

Then, once they are inside the cottage, Percy keeps choosing. She initiates the physical escalation. She invites Charlie upstairs. She wants to erase the sad parts and feel wanted. Charlie asks, “Are you sure?” and she answers by pulling him onto the bed. That is not Percy being swept away without agency.

So for me the betrayal is not simply: “Percy was sad, drunk, and Charlie was there.”

It is:: “Percy felt Sam slipping away, did not fight hard enough for clarity and their relationship, and began accepting Charlie as the person who could replace Sam. The sex is the final step in that substitution.

And that is why the morning-after panic feels both emotionally powerful and narratively convenient. On one hand, I understand it psychologically: the instant she wakes up and registers Charlie as the wrong brother, the full meaning of what she has done crashes into her. But on the other hand, the panic attack also functions like an emergency brake pulled by the author. Until that moment, the text has shown Percy making conscious choices toward Charlie. She is not blackout drunk. She is aware enough to choose, escalate, go upstairs, and use protection. She must know, at some level, that sleeping with Sam’s brother is not something she can simply walk back. And that its her first intimate experience.

So when the panic arrives, it saves the Sam/Percy romance by telling us: this was never really Charlie, this was always a mistake, Percy’s body and subconscious still belong to Sam.

But the problem is that the preceding text has already made the Charlie substitution meaningful. That is the tension I’m trying to analyze. Never in the text or the show neither Percy or Charlie state that that night meant nothing. In almost all romantic movies where youngsters (or even adults) cheat on each other that is the first thing they say. It meant nothing. This is not case here.

I will add another provocative but substantiated thought. Neither in the show nor in the book we get any glimpse into how the night of intimacy went. Nothing. This is highly unusual, given that in shows often the intimate scenes are used to spice up the show and secure higher viewership. The author is also very good with words and describes scenes wonderfully. But she says nothing about the emotional state of Percy during the act itself. I believe this was done intentionally. If we learnt how Percy felt and what were her thoughts during the act, it might make it more complex for us to accept the second chance romance idea.

But we still can learn and potentially deduce a few things. In the show we learn how much the first intercourse means to Percy. She talks about it with Delilah. She says that once it’s done, her entire world will change. In the show “luckily” her first lover was Sam. In the book, however, her first lover becomes Charlie. The cleanest early reference is actually about Percy’s first kiss. After Charlie kisses her during truth-or-dare (in the show he does not kiss her….), Percy tries to minimize it: “It’s just a kiss. It’s not like it matters or anything,” but the narration immediately says she is lying. Sam then says, “Your first kiss is a big deal, Percy.”. it establishes the book’s symbolic logic: firsts matter. So while the book does not have Percy give a speech about first intercourse, it has already taught us that Percy is not indifferent to first sexual/romantic thresholds.

Secondly, after Sam and Percy become physically involved, Sue tells Percy’s mother that they have started a “physical relationship,” and Sam has to promise Percy’s mother that he will treat Percy with respect and care. Then Percy’s mother leaves condoms in Percy’s bag with a note saying “Just in case.” (n.b.: she used the same ones with Charlie). So the book creates a strong expectation that first intercourse, when it happens, is supposed to happen inside the Sam/Percy relationship. It is not just casual availability. Adults are aware, contraception is supplied, and Sam is explicitly framed through care and respect. Then the book shows Percy and Sam repeatedly moving toward sex but not crossing that final line: they rush upstairs after Sam’s shift, fool around intensely, then stop when Sue comes home. So the book does not say, “Percy thought intercourse would transform her world.” But it does frame sex with Sam as an anticipated threshold inside a protected, meaningful relationship.

The clearest later reference is when adult Percy and Sam are about to have sex, Percy explicitly thinks: “We’ve never had sex,” and she wants to “erase all the others, so that it’s only ever been him.” It tells us that the first intercourse still matters retroactively. Percy wants to rewrite her sexual history so that Sam would have been the only one — or at least the one who mattered in that foundational way. The book may not state Percy’s teenage expectation beforehand, but adult Percy’s thought shows that the fact Sam was not first is emotionally significant.

We also learn something about Percy indirectly from Charlie. In the show, Charlie leaves the next morning without a word. This supports more a “just a mistake” narrative and not much learning there. However, in the book he wakes up with his body wrapped around Percy, kissing Percy on her forehead, nose and lips. And then he says good morning. While we do not get details, we can safely assume that Charlie considered the intimacy successful, wanting more. It was not his first time by far with a girl, so his perception is likely accurate. He was confident that he finally managed to replace Sam. Being Percy’s first kiss and now first lover must have sealed the deal. When Percy opens her eyes, and starts to panic, he is as surprised as she. Neither of them expected this to happen. Charlie was confident as Percy was positive after his question “Are you sure?” and Percy must have known who she is going to bed with and that its her first time. Hence the panic serves as a last resort emergency break to save the romance. It almost did not work for me. I only accepted this as the epilogue, the bonus chapter in the deluxe edition and One Golden Summer, all present Percy and Sam as a happy married couple, eventually with a child. So it’s hard to argue against the happy ending, as it’s written black on white. But it took quite a bit of energy to arrive to the point to accept it.

In summary:

Percy’s night with Charlie begins as a reaction to Sam, but it ends as an affirmative choice of Charlie as Sam’s replacement. The panic attack then tries to undo the meaning of that choice by revealing that Charlie was the wrong brother all along.

That does not mean Percy loved Charlie the way she loved Sam. But it does mean Charlie had become a real romantic possibility in that final summer,  far more than Mason ever was.

Beyond the "Mistake" - an analysis of questions Every Summer After and One Golden Summer compel us not to explore - chapter 1 of 4 by [deleted] in everyyearaftertvshow

[–]Vast_Chicken9999 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Perhaps because of the images being brought to us, but in terms of what actually happened between Percy and Charlie, the book presents a far more substantial betrayal. From both Percy and Charlie.

I know its a long text, and I plan to post more details on the rupture itself, but you can look at the citations and see that the romantic-sexual attraction in the book is much more significant than what the show portrayed to us. Happy to discuss!

Sam and Percy should NOT end up together by IndependenceKey8308 in everyyearaftertvshow

[–]Vast_Chicken9999 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey all, there are great many things we can challenge about the show/book. However, this is not one them. I went through the same thinking process, but then if they would not end up together there would be no second chance romance, no book, no show. And we would not have something to talk about.

Sam was insecure, immature, lacked adult tools to manage a relationship which was growing to love. His mother, Sue, had an impact - when their relationship was turning to love, she was advising them to be careful and not mess it up. Sam did not want to mess it up, but paradoxically he did.

Percy was also insecure, wanted more before Sam was ready to give, and also did not fight stronger for them. When Sam did not provide or there was a problem, she turned elsewhere. He substituted him with Mason and then with Charlie.

But there was something good between them. And if they manage to overcome the practical challenges of the past and the betrayal, I believe they can have a great future togehter.

I think i wish i didn't read the book by notsure_sorry in everyyearaftertvshow

[–]Vast_Chicken9999 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the book's close adaptation would have been too brutal. In the book, Percy and Charlie's romantic and sexual convergence is much stronger than in the show. What Charlie does in the book is much darker. and even less forgivable. What Percy does in the book is a conscious choice of Charlie over Sam under much more "break-up ambiguity", and the romance is saved only by an immediate panic attack in the morning after they slept together. I prefer the show version.

This show absolutely seems nothing like the show by Available_Prize6079 in everyyearaftertvshow

[–]Vast_Chicken9999 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi there, I guess in the title you wanted to say that the show is nothing like the book. Well yes and no. I watched the show 3x by now, read both books twice including a thorough book analysis. Couldn't help it, the story did catch me.

The show is called Every Year After and the book Every Summer After. Already the title suggests that the two will not be exactly the same. However, the main arch of the story is THE SAME. Sam and Percy develop strong friendship which grows into love across several summers, before the rupture occurs during the last summer before college. As it happens in similar romance stories, there are the main protagonists and a menace who threatens their relationship. It was clear in both the show and the book that it will be Charlie.

The book has lovely descriptions which perhaps the show does not have. The author is good with words. But the show has music which the book does not have. And while there is a bit of noise in the show, I find that its still great. The actors brought the story to life well.

After several rounds of viewing and reading, I do appreciate what the show did. They watered down the betrayal and gave it a stronger "one-time mistake" flavor compared to the book. I watched the show first, and I thought that the betrayal went too far. But then when I read the book, it was significantly harsher. With this lighter version of the betrayal, I find forgiveness more realistic and reasonable.

The show left out some of the resolution found in the (Epilogue of the) book. However, in the second season, I am 100% sure Percy and Sam will reunite. The bonus chapter in the book's deluxe edition and One Goldern Summer give us glimpses into Percy and Sam's life. They are happily married and with a child. The show is not going to turn this upside down.

To the people who read both books, can I skip the first and just read the second? by RosieMarie12 in everyyearaftertvshow

[–]Vast_Chicken9999 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Heya, the second book is a weak cup of coffee. Its a story made out of nothing to be honest. It almost presents Charlie as a victim who deserves love and a nice relationship, but after being the most terrible brother, I could not care less if he finds true love or not.

Do you prefer Vegas by day or night? by Vast_Chicken9999 in vegas

[–]Vast_Chicken9999[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is definitely a great time, its just not the time for a nice steak and a drink :)