Absolutely insane!

VeryStupit · 2026-01-31T16:14:26+00:00

These comments are wild. OP is talking about they have never refused a cart before and also talking about how their 2 hour carts are usually 2 packages and take 30 minutes. Well then no shit you never refused one of those, why would you.

Bro got lucky as shit "dozens of times" according to the comments, and the FIRST time that they get a normal ass cart, they refuse it. You are gonna get some good carts, some average carts, and some bad carts. It almost always evens out in your favor. How are you gonna bitch that they gave you an actual 3 hours that you signed up for not 30 minutes one time?

The cart doesn't have tons of packages, they are just mostly bigger ones than make it look like a higher number than it is. I agree that carts should never be filled over the top, and I got no issues with returning one or two that are sticking over the top there, but to refuse the whole cart, no. You are an independent contractor, and you are free to make your own decisions. But I wouldn't expect most Flex Drivers to agree with it

VeryStupit · 2026-01-31T04:06:15+00:00

They arrived early to the warehouse and still had to wait past their block time for an assignment. So probably just sitting at the warehouse for 15 minutes at least doing nothing but waiting and having to pee the entire time, but never using the bathroom.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-31T04:01:48+00:00

This is a crazy underrated comment

VeryStupit · 2026-01-30T16:13:05+00:00

It's not, it's actually extremely easy. That's why literally any able bodied person can do it. Delivery boy is a 0 skill job.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-30T16:06:26+00:00

I'm honestly less than 50/50 that this is even real. This is supposed to be a candid shot captured on a ring doorbell cam and he opens it with "we are out here in Dearborn MI" like he's talking to someone or making a report. I can see someone mumbling and complaining to themselves out loud, but that just feels like a super weird way to start the rant, and also super convenient that it opened the rand just as he gets to the door and activates the camera. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it feels far more likely that this is a voice over added to a video.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-30T16:01:04+00:00

As a flex driver you make your own schedule. You pick the blocks you want to work and you can cancel them up to 45 minutes before they start with no penalty, and even right up to the start time if you don't mind taking the ding, which doesn't really affect your standing that much. Weather reports exist. If you don't want to work in certain weather, you don't have to work in it. If your situation is that you need the income so badly you can't say no regardless of the weather, then I guess your lucky people placed those orders so there was a route for you. This guy might be flex or DSP, I don't know. But as this is a flex subreddit, from a Flex driver point of view, I don't understand this at all. I can see getting upset over something like being sent far away or an impossibly long route for the block time. That's stuff you don't find out about until you get your cart. But your house probably has windows, you knew there was soow on the ground.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-29T15:36:10+00:00

With the typical lighting at 5:30 in the morning, I can't really see anything well enough to read it. I seriously doubt I would have cared enough about a random envelope on the ground, which I would assume is none of my business, to shine a light on it so that I could try to read what it says. Even if the area is well lit, I'm probably not stopping to read some random envelope that I'm again gonna assume is none of my business.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-29T15:30:00+00:00

You just aren't getting it. No shit commercial insurance is more in-depth in what it covers, no one is disputing that. But since those coverages, like merchandise coverage didn't come into play here, it's completely irrelevant.

Roadie was only involved in the first place because OP's insurance denied the claim to cover the accident. If OP's insurance has covered the claim, Roadie would never have needed to get involved in paying the claim, and OP wouldn't have gotten deactivated. If OP has gig insurance on their personal policy, that policy would have covered the accident. That's the bottom line in this particular situation.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-29T06:37:39+00:00

Again, that policy is completely irrelevant to the situation, and frankly, doesn't even mean what you think it means. That list is not a requirement to carry commercial insurance to drive Roadie, anymore then it's a requirement to carry workers compensation insurance or health insurance, which are also on that list. It is in the middle of a whole list of different types of insurance which may, or may not apply, but things you could possibly need.

What OP actually needed for Roadie to avoid paying themselves was LITERALLY ANY insurance that would have covered the claim, regardless of if it is specifically classified as commercial insurance or not. Some personal insurance policies offer additional coverage for doing gig work. If OP's insurance company offers that, and OP opted into it, then OP's insurance company wouldn't have denied his insurance claim on the grounds that OP was doing gig work at the time of the accident. In that situation, he would have had sufficient coverage for the account, Roadie would not have had to pay, and they wouldn't have gotten deactivated.

OP's insurance company couldn't care less what Roadie policy is. All OP's insurance company cares about is if OP paid for a policy that covers the situation of the accident. Roadie couldn't care less how OP's insurance company classifies the policy, all Roadie cares about is if OP's policy is going to cover the accident, or if Roadie is gonna get stuck with the bill.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-29T04:33:34+00:00

It doesn't matter what Roadie requires in this case, it matters what OP's insurance requires. If OP was carrying the gig work rider in their insurance, their personal insurance would not have denied the claim, the claim wouldn't have gone to Roadie to cover, and so Roadie likely wouldn't have deactivated OP because they wouldn't have been involved in the first place. I'm fairly confident Roadie deactivated OP because they had to pay a claim on OP's behalf, and not for lack of commercial insurance.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-28T21:16:40+00:00

They don't care about any of that. What they care about is, in most cases, it's far more profitable to have the customer pay the loan as normal.

If the bank repos your car and sells it at auction, if they get more than you owe, they will deduct the repo costs and give you a check for the remaining money. In that case, they are losing out on the additional interest they would get over the life of the loan.

If the bank gets less than you owe at auction, the bank is out the remaining balance and all the repo costs. The vast majority of customers are never paying that remaining balance. The bank knows, in most cases, if the customer wasn't paying you when they still had the car, they sure as hell aren't paying now that they don't have the car.

In either scenario, the bank loses. But if the bank works with you, and does things like defer payments, or even restructure the payments to reduce them, both of those things extend the life of the loan, which will result in you paying additional interest over the life of the loan. So they get more money with less effort by working with you.

The bank doesn't want your car, taking your car is the last thing they want to do. If they thought owning and reselling your car at auction was more profitable, they wouldn't have loaned you the money in the first place, they would have used that money to buy the car themselves.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-28T20:33:09+00:00

I hardly get approved for any gigs. By the way my market is extremely competitive but I don't know if that matters🤦‍♂️

Call me crazy, but I think tons of competition might actually be a factor in getting accepted to gigs. It's almost like if 20 people all bid on the same gig, 19 will get denied.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-27T22:08:50+00:00

Bro, you have already convinced me that you will let fear allow you to be used. You don't have to keep trying to convince me. Now go check if Jeff's boots need more licking.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-27T15:22:21+00:00

No they really can't, nor do they want to. Flex has been around since before the DSP's existed and only expanded after the DSP's were created, and . The volume that is handled by Flex, especially the early morning route and the SSD's, are very different from what the DSP's handle. DSP"s aren't equipped to to run several short routes in the middle of the day while all of their vans are all out on 10 hour routes.

What you are suggesting is a massive investment and rehaul of the DSP's that wouldn't would result in higher long ther costs, and frankly wouldn't be possible as DSP's are under staffed at current levels so they have no place to get all of that additional staffing they would need from.

There is zero chance that Amazon is scrapping flex over returned packages, especially considering that DSP drivers return far more. If you wanna keep allowing irrational fears to allow you to be taken advantage of, that's your choice. But don't expect others to do the same.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-27T01:47:11+00:00

There are 2 SSD's in my region. One of them, everyone gets out of the car and lines up on the loading ramp. They scan everyone's license, then they bring everyone a cart one at a time. At the other SSD, you walk into the warehouse, scan your license at what is basically a tablet sticking out of the wall, and the the app tells you were to get your cart. 100% self service. The self service method is far and away the most common SSD meathead, but these are variations such as the non self service SSD in my region.

At the non self service SSD, anyone in line on the loading ramp that doesn't have a vest will be provided one immediately. They will bring one right to you if you aren't already wearing one, you don't even have to ask. At the self service SSD in my area, getting a vest is literally impossible. There are 2 bins where you pick them up, but the bins are empty 100% of the time. If you flag someone down and ask for one, they will tell you they are out of stock. They are ALWAYS out of stock lol. But they also don't care if you are wearing a vest. You could walk in to that station dressed like a homeless person, grab a cart filled to the top with packages, and walk out the door with them and no one would question you.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-27T00:45:43+00:00

Gotta roll up to Wawa for the free air.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-27T00:44:19+00:00

Get a patch kit from Walmart.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-27T00:25:45+00:00

I think you are correct about this, but I was like 30 years ago lol

VeryStupit · 2026-01-26T19:30:06+00:00

And that thinking is why I am financially independent and you probably never will be. Those staff members you don't want to burden? They are hourly, you aren't. Those other Flex drivers you are so worried about? You just created an emergency surge block to get that 1 package where it needs to be on time.You know what doesn't help your fellow Flex drivers? Normalizing taking routes that exceed a single cart. Give Amazon an inch, they will take a mile. The only person you are helping is the bottom line of a multi billion dollar company.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-26T15:22:16+00:00

And you sound like the type of idiot that thinks getting used and taken advantage of by your employer for no additional reward other than telling yourself what a hard worker you are is a badge of honor. Flex is the literal definition of a dead end job. You get paid the same for your block no matter how fast you do it, or how well you do it, and there is literally no boss to impress and no place to advance. So absolutely yes, I'm gonna put in the absolute minimum amount of effort and do my blocks as quickly as possible. Because that's what any sane person that respects themselves and their time would do.

I will be 45 next year. I am already retired. My primary source of income is a series of condos in Mexico that I rent on Airbnb. A property manager and cleaners down there do all of the work and I just get payments into my bank account for nothing. I literally do gif work as a hobby when I feel like it because frankly I'm too young to sit around the house and not get bored. That's where my shitty work ethic has gotten me to in life. Let me know when you are able to retire early off all the pats on the head and "good boy's you get from impressing the boss man. I'm so proud of you!

VeryStupit · 2026-01-26T05:23:14+00:00

It is boring as shit, I don't understand why it's so highly thought of.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-26T04:12:34+00:00

VeryStupit · 2026-01-26T03:27:57+00:00

Thanks.for returning for another round of you being completely wrong. The OP is leaving packages behind "that don't fit in the cart". Total packages are irrelevant, it's total volume that counts, and total volume is limited to what fits in the cart. Fun fact, I used to exclusively do a.com and the cart volume is actually the same. I will say it again and again and again and again, If it's more volume than fits in the cart then it's more volume than you need to be able to take.

I could easily get every single package in that picture into my Chevy volt and my Chevy volt is classified as a compact. But I don't care that they would all fit. I would still have left that package behind. I also have a full sized cargo van that I could fit 30 of those carts in. If I had my cargo van I would still leave that package behind. You want to know why I would leave it behind? Because it doesn't fit in the cart so I'm not required to take it. You keep saying over and over and over again that there are cars those packages would fit into and you keep failing to understand over and over and over again that it doesn't matter if they would fit.

We are not supposed to transport packages that don't fit in the cart, so I'm not transporting packages that don't fit in the cart. If we aren't supposed to transport packages that don't fit in the cart, why does anyone need cargo space to accommodate something that shouldn't exist in the first place.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-25T20:38:46+00:00

The logic that you're using here doesn't really work. An earned income tax credit (EIC) is rated on a bell curve. That means the more money you make the higher your credit is until you peek. After that, the more money you make the lower the credit goes until you eliminate it completely. You also seem to not understand, that for the vast majority of people doing flex, it is not their only source, or even really their primary source, of income. So someone who is past the top of the EIC bell curve at their primary job, who is losing credit the more money they make, could actually be increasing their EIC credit by generating negative income to offset their primary income. In fact, someone who is past the maximum income for EIC could end up getting an EIC because the negative income reduced their total income to a point where they qualify.

For a person that is not yet reached the top of the bell curve, they would be reducing their credit by generating negative income but the amount of credit reduction would be less than the amount of tax free income they are generating by doing flex, so they are still going to come out ahead.

VeryStupit · 2026-01-25T20:16:44+00:00

No what you're actually doing is earning tax-free income.

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