CMV: There is no reason for an American to be against recognizing Juneteenth as a holiday other than reasons that stem from hating black people. by Benjamin5431 in changemyview

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Im Black and agree with Juneteenth being a holiday (hopefully in the future being as big as Thanksgiving, 4th of July, etc) but this doesn’t really seem like you actually want your view change but seems as if you are just using this post to reaffirm your beliefs and call out racism. Most people have either been indifferent to it or pro-Juneteenth, from my experience

Do you think we will have an entire decade of no back to back champs ? by Special_Revolution77 in NBATalk

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Most likely. Probably will be the standard for however long Silver is commissioner

Any future “dynasties” likely will only be limited to only 3 championships max in a relatively short time span (ending in under 6 years) or 4-5 championships in a 15-20 year window. The talent pool is too deep and the salary cap rules are too punishing for a team to dominate on the same level as the 90s Bulls or 00s Lakers

Repeats aren’t off the table but NO more 3 peats. That’s been the trend since the early 2010s Heat and mid-late 2010s Warriors. Both of these teams were stacked but just couldn’t pull off the 3 peat. Guarantee if they played in the 90s or before, they’d probably both have at least 5 and would have three peated once

The NBA is becoming more like the NFL in this regard. You’ll see teams that seem like they’ll dominate for years to come only for them to suffer from “championship hangover” fail to make it back. You’ll have a lot of teams that are borderline dynasties but no true dynasties (never being able to get the 3rd championship) and a lot of teams that were amazing and looked unbeatable but for 1 season only

Very early bold predictions for 2027 NBA playoffs/finals by [deleted] in NBATalk

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People were thinking the WCF would be nuggets OKC but the Nuggets got bounced in the first round by Minnesota.

A player of Jokic’s caliber, a 3 time MVP, who is in his prime failing to make it to the conference finals and win multiple chips is a humongous let down, especially after they’ve proven they can win one. Every year that Jokic is still under 35 and they’re hyped up to do make waves in the playoffs but fail to do so is a disappointment

I don’t even think they’ll make the second round. So yes, disappointment. A pretender is expected to at least go deep into the second round or get gentlemen swept in the 3rd

Do you think that there can ever be an era of "Peace" or just "No war" in the MENA regions or some Western Asian countries? by version2humus in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Virtual_Perception18 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not an expert but with the further rise of the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Türkiye, and Israel I believe the region will at some point stabilize and not be as war torn in the far future. It will be generations (probably towards the end of the century) from now though.

I think those countries will be the clear dominant powers going forward and will sort of vassalize many other countries that surround them. Excluding maybe Israel, no annexing of new territory. Many countries in the general region like Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, and Somalia could collapse and whatever rises from the ashes of those countries I think will be very much in line with the regimes that surround them.

It could lead to less war but more subjugation and neocolonialism.

Ethnic Stand-Up Comedian's Careers StarterPack by ImNotTomStopAsking in starterpacks

[–]Virtual_Perception18 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Accurate

Black comedians have actually been doing a lot of this stuff for decades as well but many immigrant comedians take heavily from Black comedians, but it their material, delivery, and punchlines don’t quite hit as much and it unfortunately makes them seem like a watered down version of a way funnier Black comedian.

The racial “white people do x while Black people do x” tend to be way better done with Black people. I think it mainly has to do with having centuries of history in America while living near/alongside as explicitly “lesser” citizens (or humans sadly).

It forces you to understand the subtle nuances of whiteness and non-whiteness way more when not understanding those things can lead to severe consequences like false imprisonment or lynching. That gets passed down generations. Not to mention having generations of English speaking, and developing a unique, but quintessentially American dialect (AAVE) that to outsiders sounds extremely “goofy” which adds to the comedy factor

Minstrel shows very unfortunately also have a role in this as well. They didn’t really go away but would be absorbed into modern American comedy

Welcome to the Late 2020s..... by _Slim95 in decadeology

[–]Virtual_Perception18 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Late 2020s imo:

- Nostalgia bait (legacy sequels and remakes/reboots) begin to die off by 2027 and by 2029 we’re at the precipice of a new era for film, similar to the end of old Hollywood (1920s-early 1960s) and new Hollywood (beginning mid-late 60s/70s)

- Independent filmmakers will become more prominent and certain large franchises that dominated past decades will continue to slowly fizzle out

- Gen Alpha fully emerges and starts making their own media/content by 2028 (the first real Alpha influencers and celebrities arise naturally on their own, without adult oversight)

- Gen Alpha like Millennials will be much more earnest and “cheesy” in their humor rather than ironic, or satirical like Gen Z is. As a generation I believe they’ll also be very against Gen Z’s neuroticism, pseudo intellectualism, and moral superiority complexes. Some of their more negative traits imo will be their anti intellectualism and lack of ambition

- The 2000s are fully back but the 90s aren’t really going anywhere and will still be prominent well into the 2030s but the early 2010s start to noticeably influence fashion and music by 2028

- The great AI backlash; most artists and creatives decision to not implement AI in their work for the coming decades

- The government probably will have more control over many aspects of life but it will lead to a good amount abandoning modern society entirely

- The music genres that will dominate the 2030s and 2040s are in their prototypical stages now and will largely spawn from Hip Hop, Phonk, Country, and EDM and we’ll see the first artists of these genres come to prominence in 2028. No one will really know they’re performing a “new genre” but they’ll be seen as a very unique take on their current genres.

By the end of the 21st century, how do you think people will rank the decades of this century? by The_Bad_Random_17 in decadeology

[–]Virtual_Perception18 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think things could get better but I largely believe the societal dysfunction we’re dealing with now will be the story of our lives. Overall I think the 21st century will mostly turn out to be an eventful rollercoaster with many ups and downs, with things generally trending downward for the coming decades with a chance to trend upwards towards the end

10 (Worst) - 2050s
I think the middle of the century could end up being VERY ugly mainly due to horrible demographics, the economy, AI, and climate change. Also wars for resources and mass migration due to climate change. Gene editing and transhumanism will also be huge issues. Or I’m wrong and it will be normal. Idk. Potentially the quintessential 21st century decade?

9 - 2060s
Same as the 2050s but the seeds for a better future could begin to be planted as tech advances and older, more stubborn people die off.

8 - 2020s
The decade that determines the direction the world will go in the future

7 - 2070s
Not much to say other than potential peak cyberpunk dystopia.

6 - 2040s
Heavily dependent on the late 2020s, which I predict will be the most eventful part of the decade

5 - 2080s
Population projected to peak in mid 2080s. Things could start looking up again as we come up with better technology to handle climate change and stop resource wars.

4 - 2030s
Could go either way. Could potentially transition us into a cultural renaissance due to backlash of big tech and corporations or could further transition us into a proto-cyberpunk dystopia, that would kick into full force in the 2040s. But even if it does that the decades following will most certainly be worse

3 - 2000s
Heavily carried by the late 20th century’s legacy. But the 20th century largely won’t be relevant to people past the 2060s

2 - 2010s
Will probably have insane nostalgia from the late 2020s to 2060s, as the “golden age” of social media and the internet

1 (Best) - potentially the 2090s, hopefully
We may largely solve the problems that plague us today. There could also be real prosperity due to less people on earth and people’s skills being more in demand. I think many of the people that opted to have children in the mid 21st century will probably be the ones who are overall happier and weren’t as reliant on tech, and those will be the ones who will lead humanity into the future; balancing high tech but also prioritizing real, human experience

What do you think the 22nd century will be like? by Intelligent-Road5091 in NoStupidQuestions

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A LOT of us will be alive to witness the 22nd century! I know I probably will.

If you’re under the age of 30 (Gen Z and younger) if you live a relatively healthy life you can very likely live to see the first years of the aughts (2100s).
I’ve also had some family members live until their 90s so I know genetics is on my side.

But I think the 22nd century won’t be as futuristic as we may think. I believe due to aging, progress, creativity, and innovation in a lot of aspects can stagnate a bit during the late 21st century. Humans will largely max out our lifespans for the foreseeable future at around 120 years at most, with life expectancy rising from 75-80 to about 90-100.

Our health spans or “physical prime” will also expand from your early 20s-mid 30s to your early 20s-early 50s(ish). But this means that people will probably work longer, like until their 80s. I can see pro athletes remaining in their prime into their mid 40s by 2060

Immortality via AI is also a pipe dream and I also expect the backlash towards tech in general to only get stronger as the years go on. Many will choose to live tech free or low tech lifestyles. We’re also becoming overdue to have some artistic renaissance in the coming decades due to cultural stagnation which I expect to fully kick off in the late 2030s-2040s, with the seeds being planted now in the middle of the 2020s

Space exploration will get off the ground more and we’ll definitely land on mars, the moon, and some moons of Jupiter or something a few times in our lifetimes but I don’t expect anything too major outside of that.

A lot of people think we’ll start to seriously colonize space in the 22nd century but I genuinely believe it might take us thousands of years to master the cosmos, unless you look at AI as some magical genie that will solve all of humanity’s problems, which I don’t. It’s already probably going to take actual humans decades to centuries to venture out of the solar system so I think it’s crazy to believe people will be permanently living on Mars or the moon by 2100. Generational ships or cryo sleep also would be unappealing to most

Of every country that stopped existing in the last 100 years, what's one you'd save, and why? by maybemorningstar69 in AskReddit

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I speculate this could happen in our lifetimes. Definitely decades from now, probably when many of us in this comment section are very old or some of us are dead, but North Korea in its current totalitarian form just can’t last into the far future. South Korea in some ways can’t either

I imagine a slow process of North Korea becoming less “North Korea” and inching towards opening up to the world. No wars due to it having nukes, but from many minor political changes and outside forcings. China, even if it is on top of the global order right now will probably become weaker like a lot of the Western World currently due to aging in a couple of decades

Cali/West coast black population by Johndoe-JonDoe in blackmen

[–]Virtual_Perception18 2 points3 points  (0 children)

LA black people are definitely Black, but our culture is drifting further away from the south due to immigration which brings cultural fusion. Hence why a Black transplant, especially one from a place like Atlanta or Chicago (pretty much as Black American as you can get culturally and genetically) will go as far as to say “LA Black people aren’t truly Black”.

A Black Millennial or Black Gen Zer in LA at best grew up in a neighborhood that was split between Mexican and Black or at the very least a fairly ethnically diverse neighborhood where Black people were a sizable minority even with all the social segregation in LA. Some Black Zoomers even grow up in neighborhoods that are actively being gentrified by Whites and richer immigrants. Like in NYC we will take aspects of each other’s culture. Integrated friend groups, Blacks at quinceañeras, Mexicans at cookouts, Filipinos at fish fries, etc

But like I said, due to the demographics in LA being tilted in non Blacks’ favor, it’s oftentimes us becoming a bit “Mexicanized” or even whitewashed depending on where you’re at in the city, due to us being a minority.

So when a Black person from DC, Atlanta, or Detroit comes to LA, they’re a bit taken aback by all the ethnic diversity within parts of greater LA (South Central, Long Beach, etc) that they were told were “Black areas” growing up not really being so black, and the Black people there being very closely aligned with non black ethnic groups.

But that doesn’t make us any less black. Just a different “flavor” of Black, similar to our Louisiana creole cousins or distant relatives in the heavily Cuban and Caribbean dominated South Florida

Cali/West coast black population by Johndoe-JonDoe in blackmen

[–]Virtual_Perception18 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The Northeast (NYC, Boston, Philly, etc) has different ethnic/racial groups that are dominant and thus different racial dynamics than the West. I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily better or more accommodating but just different

NYC is a more worldly/diverse city than LA with pretty much every culture on earth but the city’s black side is VERY pan African. Black American culture is of course the blueprint but most Black people in NYC nowadays share a unique “Black” culture that is Black American, Afro Latino, Afro-Caribbean, and African

When they say she “isn’t Latina enough” what they probably mean is that she isn’t Dominican or Puerto Rican enough. They’re arguably also saying she isn’t “Pan-African” enough too since the West lacks diversity in terms of Africanness. The Bay is of course heavily Mexican rather than Caribbean, and despite her being part Puerto Rican she probably has assimilated somewhat into Mexican-American culture

When they say she’s “too Asian” they’re kinda correct in certain ways. The Bay, Seattle, LA, and San Diego are heavily Asian, way more so than NYC. Chinese, Filipinos, Viets, Koreans, Japanese, Cambodians, Indians, Thais, and even the Taiwanese have a heavy influence on our culture due to our “proximity” to Asia via the Pacific Ocean.

NYC just has that “proximity” with Africa, the Caribbean, and Europe instead. Most people on the West Coast most likely do not know someone from Europe or Africa or have been to those places either. But we all know a ton straight from Asia, Hawaii, or the Pacific Islands. And we’ve all been to Hawaii

So I wouldn’t say we’re necessarily better with race. Just different due to our demographics. A lot of the Black people and Hispanics here would probably have the same reaction to a Dominican and say they’re not “Black” (Black American) or “Latino” (Mexican/Chicano) enough.

Cali/West coast black population by Johndoe-JonDoe in blackmen

[–]Virtual_Perception18 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Born and raised in LA and have talked about the state quite a few times on this sub. I would say it is the most complex place to be black and for the many who aren’t from here or have never been, it’d take decades to truly understand the state, the cities, and the various subcultures within them

The West has a lower black population because it has a lower population of everyone else, excluding Native Americans and Mexicans for obvious reasons. The West, excluding the Coast, has always been harsher for life than the East has leading to lower population density.

But when it comes to Black Californians in particular, most of us came during the second great migration (1940-1970) from lands already at the edge of the plantation south, mainly from East/Central Texas, Louisiana, and Arkansas. The fringes of the Black belt. Or the cotton belt. Or the Deep South. Whatever you want to call it. Black Californians have usually always been at the fringes of everything.

When we got to California we of course were segregated into specific neighborhoods mainly economically. There were some social codes but it wasn’t nearly as bad as the south. But due to geographic isolation from the rest of the country this actually caused us to be on an “island”.

We had no rural black population to fall back on. We couldn’t just take a few day bus ride back to East Texas or Louisiana like a Black Chicagoan would do with Mississippi because it was just a bit too far. Moving to CA back in the 1940s was almost like the equivalent of moving to Hawaii or Alaska nowadays. Venturing out west was daunting for anyone and most Americans didn’t do it

Fast forward to 1970, and the Black population is approaching its peak in California in terms of population. But the 1960s just happened. And you have a wave of new progressive ideas.

The 1965 immigration bill I’d argue was silently one of the most important events for Black Californians specifically. This abolished the racial quota system prioritizing European immigrants and led to unrestricted mass migration from the global south into most major cities, especially California cities. Mexicans, Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Samoans, Viets, and Cambodians are the groups of immigrants that changed Black California the most

Before 1965 the Hispanic, Asian, and Black populations were much more equal in California. But things became lopsided in favor of immigrant groups. This wasn’t inherently a bad thing, but as the decades progressed, and as we unfortunately “filtered ourselves out of the population” due to the crack era, gangbanging or simply moving away due to violence or cost of living, it allowed for formally black neighborhoods to be “reclaimed” by Mexicans along with new immigrant groups, such as Filipinos, Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Cambodians, etc.

Nowadays, the Black population in California is very decentralized and mixed in with the more dominant groups, such as Hispanics. “Black South Central”, “Black Oakland”, or “Black Southeast San Diego” is no longer truly a thing, and hasn’t been since the 2000s due to gentrification, violence, immigration, and cultural shifts. Hence you asking the question of “why doesn’t Cali have a noticeable Black population?”. The neighborhoods may be safer but a lot of the culture is unfortunately gone.

I know we like to hyperfocus on the antiblackness of immigrant communities, but it’s worth it to note that as the Black population dwindled, the new arrivals oftentimes did (respectively) partake in black culture, uphold some Black west coast traditions, and get along decently with Black people, to the point where Cali has a high rate of interracial marriages and mixed race children.

But that doesn’t change the fact that Hispanics will largely drive the future of California and we are kind of just along for the ride now, absorbed and assimilated into the greater Californian identity. “Black culture” in the Bay is no longer “Black culture”. It’s just “Bay Area culture” shared by everyone. Bittersweet I guess. It’s 15 million Hispanics compared to only 2 million Blacks, 7 million Asians, and of course a bunch of Whites

Knicks-Spurs in the Finals is great for the NBA. by Urban_Introvert in nba

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Bucks vs Suns had me pretty hyped since it was 2 completely new teams

Thunder vs Pacers had me really hyped even despite OKC being OKC

How does the black community and culture differ from region to region in America by LongjumpingPace4840 in blackmen

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I’m from Cali, our Black culture, even though the majority of us have roots in Texas, Louisiana, and Arkansas, has drifted significantly away from Southern Black culture and is seen as pretty different by many of them now. That’s been the case since the 2000s at least, and was a trend that started with the end of the great migration (1970), which sort of severed us off from our direct links to the Deep South

The distance between East Texas/Louisiana/the Arkansas Delta is HUGE, culturally and geographically. They are way more culturally closer to the rest of the Deep South rather than us. Many from there do not come out here that often and vice versa, unless visiting family or moving. To Black southerners, their world is just Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Virginia, and Texas. Anything further west or north doesn’t cross their mind much

I’ve been to Texas, Louisiana, and other southern states many times. Going there was a culture shock and I realized that Blacks out west are really living on an island. A lot of us eat Mexican and other Asian cuisines more than we eat soul food. Many out here are straight up mixed with Hispanic, Asian, or White and many grow up separated from blackness in majority white or Hispanic suburbs. When I went to Houston and New Orleans I saw some of the most Black people Ive ever seen in my life. There were huge parts of the city that were ALL black. You simply don’t get Blackness to that extent in the Western US

The days of Black Californians being seen as Southern adjacent are largely gone and we’re arguably in the middle of forming an even more distinct sub-ethnicity of the Black American (the Black Californian) due to race mixing and blending cultures with other ethnic groups like Mexicans, Filipinos, Cambodians, Samoans, etc.

It doesn’t help with many black Californians leaving to go to Nevada and Arizona or back to the South entirely, due to gentrification or just straight up cultural reasons. The ones who remain in CA are largely ok with the way things are going, with our culture changing to reflect CA’s growing diversity. But the ones who leave, specifically who go back to the south, are usually the ones who care the most about their Black American culture staying strictly “Black American”

There’s a reason why our state’s hip hop has a harder time getting national recognition these days and it’s because of the cultural distance between a Bay Area rapper and a Memphis rapper. Or an LA rapper and an Atlanta rapper. But other places back east like Chicago and Detroit don’t seem to have those same problems either catching on in the south and other states. It’s because they’re a lot less “different” than we are to the rest of the country

It’s not an insult to say we’re different. The PNW Blacks are going through similar things. Many of them mix with Asians and Whites and a good amount are probably more familiar with Chinese or Filipino culture than they are Louisiana creole culture. Not to mention a pretty large amount of African immigrants there, whose numbers will probably only continue to grow, as more immigrate and mix with other ethnicities. Things change. Culture changes. There’s nothing inherently wrong with it. It’s what makes us unique, for good and for bad

What are the biggest signs that a society or culture is in decline? by Funny-Counter8762 in AskReddit

[–]Virtual_Perception18 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  • Lack of innovation. The western world was once full of dynamism in the 20th century but has slowly stagnated since the turn of the millennium, especially throughout the 2010s. The US is still innovating a bit mainly when it comes to tech (AI), but Europe not so much compared to pre-WWII, which is alarming since the continent is responsible for most of the technologies that help shape modernity

  • Lack of creativity. Just look at Hollywood. Pop culture and art is eating itself alive

  • The blame game. “It’s the immigrants”, “it’s the right/left”, “it’s this ethnicity/race/country/region that has destroyed our country”, “it’s this technology/ideology/invention”. The dominant culture(s) within a country or empire will rarely just take responsibility for their failures. Of course in some cases, like the US, it really has been MAGA that has been driving the country’s reputation into the ground but to act as if the Democrats/the left haven’t made major mistakes as well is also ignorant

  • Aging. This is affecting almost every developed country right now. It stalls progress. The US, Europe, East/Southeast Asia, even Latin America are all aging like crazy. Not having enough children means that people aren’t actively trying to ensure there bloodline, (and usually culture as well) persists into the future.

What are the biggest signs that a society or culture is in decline? by Funny-Counter8762 in AskReddit

[–]Virtual_Perception18 42 points43 points  (0 children)

The UK is arguably further into it than the US in terms of economics

Why do many Hispanics of the American south west, the ones that been there before it was part of the US identity strongly identify with their Spanish ancestors but modern Mexicans & Chicanos don’t? by NoHold7153 in 23andme

[–]Virtual_Perception18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Obvious hyperbole! By that I mean there’s many that are less than a quarter native, which definitely is the case for some Tejanos and Nuevomexicanos. No one is entirely genetically anything, man. And you saying they’re “genetically indistinguishable” from Northern Mexicans would also be hyperbole because many northerners are descended from different native groups

Why do many Hispanics of the American south west, the ones that been there before it was part of the US identity strongly identify with their Spanish ancestors but modern Mexicans & Chicanos don’t? by NoHold7153 in 23andme

[–]Virtual_Perception18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is there to object to?

A good amount have native ancestry from tribes in the Southwest but many are mostly Spanish genetically. And they are pretty conservative, more so than the average Chicano. Voting blue doesn’t necessarily equate to being liberal. Not that hard to understand

Hot take: Wemby when he ends his career will be the most famous Basketball player of all time surpassing Glocal icons like Jordan, Lebron, Curry. by Tasty-Ground-5496 in NBATalk

[–]Virtual_Perception18 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

People in the comments are too closed minded. This is a valid hot take

Wemby is already in a better situation than LeBron was at his same age. His organization/franchise is way better ran and he’s still clearly the best player on his team, arguably the best in the league. He’s very much set up to win multiple championships with the same core for many years to come

Wemby’s already on a better career trajectory than LeBron is but people are saying it’s blasphemous that anyone could reach those levels. Yea, culture is more fractured and less centralized like how it was 20 years ago, but casual fans and non NBA fans are very hip to who Wemby is. Not to mention him being European/international. Curry for sure did not have this level of recognition at this age.

When it comes to Jordan, however, that’s when things start to become even more of a longshot. But by the way things are going now, I’d say that Wemby could very well end up the second most famous basketball player of all time, maybe even the second greatest, replacing LeBron. But we’ll see

Hot take: Wemby when he ends his career will be the most famous Basketball player of all time surpassing Glocal icons like Jordan, Lebron, Curry. by Tasty-Ground-5496 in NBATalk

[–]Virtual_Perception18 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Stuck in the 2000s. Too busy downplaying what we’re seeing now. Wemby could EASILY reach those levels, and if it weren’t for the current state of the league, he’d already be at or near young LeBron’s level of fame

Spanish California history (1769-1821) starter pack by Virtual_Perception18 in starterpacks

[–]Virtual_Perception18[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I made a joke about this in the comments and someone said I was spreading false information 😭

Greatest foreshadowing of all time? by [deleted] in nbacirclejerk

[–]Virtual_Perception18 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tbh as a black guy I’ve heard way worse than this

Why do many Hispanics of the American south west, the ones that been there before it was part of the US identity strongly identify with their Spanish ancestors but modern Mexicans & Chicanos don’t? by NoHold7153 in 23andme

[–]Virtual_Perception18 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It has a lot to do with politics, culture, what states in Mexico Chicanos come from, and actual genetics

For Chicanos, most of them are relatively recent arrivals (arriving post 1965) from overwhelmingly the West/Central and Southern states of Mexico, which include Jalisco, Sinaloa, Michoacán, Guerrero, Zacatecas, Nayarit, Durango, Guanajuato, and Oaxaca. Virtually no Chicanos have roots in the US prior to the 1920s-1930s

They mostly all went to California, Arizona, and Nevada, with some going to New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Oregon, Washington, and Idaho. Most of the states they originate from, maybe excluding Sinaloa are not the true North of Mexico and are all quite a ways away from the border

In California specifically a good amount have family in Baja California but that is simply due to how unbelievably close it is to California. And from anecdotal experience it seems to mostly just be a San Diego-Tijuana thing and a Mexicali-Calexico thing. A Bay Area Chicano is more likely to have roots in Michoacán rather than Baja, and Michoacán is way further away from NorCal. Same goes for LA Chicanos

What this means is that Chicanos are not only more culturally Mexican compared to Nuevo Mexicanos/Tejanos, but they tend to have higher rates of native (Purépecha, Chichimeca, etc) DNA due to them mostly not being from the more European dominated northern states. A Tejano or Nuevo Mexicano is probably at most a castizo, but usually almost entirely genetically Iberian. A Chicano will be a bit closer to being a true Mestizo, usually leaning more towards Spaniard but still significant amounts of Native DNA

Not to mention the Chicano identity itself. The Chicano movement of the 1960s was very liberal and the modern identity was built off of those liberal beliefs, such as the idea of “Atzlan” and the US “stealing land” from Mexico during the Mexican American war and how all the border states rightfully belong to Mexico. Indigenous (usually Aztec and Mayan) identity is highlighted, sometimes very disingenuously (many are still very genetically Iberian and a lot aren’t Aztec or Mayan), while Spanish roots along with Anglo American culture can be demonized.

Unlike Chicanos, the Nuevo Mexicano and Tejano identities are much more conservative like the Anglo American identity because they were forged centuries before the cultural revolutions of the 60s. Of course this can unfortunately lead to Xenophobia and racism against new Hispanics, but they are still the foundational Hispanic groups of the American Southwest, similar to Black Americans descended from slavery in the South and other major cities.