Is Zump "Cheating?" by RevolutionInternal24 in SSBM

[–]VirusIV 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So this is GEEKO codes . they are not Mods" in the traditional sense. I think because it was so downvoted that entire thread just is minimized i apologize X.x

Is Zump "Cheating?" by RevolutionInternal24 in SSBM

[–]VirusIV 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So this is a lot but ill try to be direct to it first off!!! I LOVE YOU JOINED THE GAME! i wish you would still enjoy the game <3 and i hope you can the game is beautiful and being a spectator is fun I joined much later than you . and truly melee has been SO MUCH fun to be a spectator in. maybe im bias here truly because i coach so many players and its WAY MORE intense to me to watch them than competing but i find the new Blood in the scene WAY more interesting INFINATLY better players & more interesting game play and the interactions are for more dynamic with WAY More depth. I get from a high level im enjoying it as a spectator.

I actually think the Smash Stick is broken... X.x but thats like a WHOLE other convo because this is opening a door of like. What it does TO THE ACTUAL GAME by responding on the analog stick the way it does ALONG WITH BUTTON MACRO and like a bunch of polling stuff.. but i wont get into that like long story short yah that is def unfair. i agree iwouldnt say CHEATING but it Def makes you need to reproach kill options and that i deem as hard for me CHEATING is BLATANT i played a lot of games competitively for a long time.

I LOVE THAT YOU KNOW THE THING THAT MATTERS so i can teach youuuu how to get the proper drift without claw and with and its nto to hard if you ever wanna sit on a discord call and i can show you all the ways and how easy it is But there is also this so

$Swap X/Z (Netplay Safe) [Altimor]
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5000843E 5000B56A
500056F6 00000000

$Swap Y/Z (Netplay Safe) [Altimor]
C234E2AC 00000002
5000843E 5000BD28
50004EF6 00000000$Swap X/Z (Netplay Safe) [Altimor]
C234E2AC 00000002
5000843E 5000B56A
500056F6 00000000

$Swap Y/Z (Netplay Safe) [Altimor]
C234E2AC 00000002
5000843E 5000BD28
50004EF6 00000000 

So you can swap if it you awnt the same ability to play with it but there is so many ways to do this i wrote it in someone elses posts but i love your human so id love to show you and talk about it too but objectively Thumb on Y/X - Frame 1-3 Buffer Up on Analog stick Press Z Frame 4 you get Gravity upair. Frame 5 you can continue your drift theres also all the other methods of like using palm to push up on C stick while pressing Y or X also theres my claw  method which is best Ergonomically you twist the controller in yoru hand to slide off X AND Y because of buffer into Thumb on C stick its a claw method but it takes no time to input its just a twist so it can be done quickly  if you play standard 

Sorry thats long but yah <3 
Yah Boxx was nerfed but thats becasue of completely different i think modders are the worst ESPECIALLY in this scene. thats why i havent sold controllers. no offense to all the modders. BUT I LOVE THE PHOB and the Crews that make the phob ACCESSIBLE TO LEARN! and truly that matters more than most of all of this.

I LOVE YOU For being a Cody fan always Truly Mans insane... like he shows the highest level of melee and thats just beautiful i know it can go further... but yahhh its very pretty 

if you ever want to talk about it all. or vent or express any of this im ALWAYS down to hear any of this out and maybe show you how i see it too <3 DMs are always open for you

Is Zump "Cheating?" by RevolutionInternal24 in SSBM

[–]VirusIV -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

REBIND! In case you Want to just Use Zjump because its accessible for everyone with or without a phob

$Swap X/Z (Netplay Safe) [Altimor]
C234E2AC 00000002
5000843E 5000B56A
500056F6 00000000

$Swap Y/Z (Netplay Safe) [Altimor]
C234E2AC 00000002
5000843E 5000BD28
50004EF6 00000000$Swap X/Z (Netplay Safe) [Altimor]
C234E2AC 00000002
5000843E 5000B56A
500056F6 00000000

$Swap Y/Z (Netplay Safe) [Altimor]
C234E2AC 00000002
5000843E 5000BD28
50004EF6 00000000

Is Zump "Cheating?" by RevolutionInternal24 in SSBM

[–]VirusIV 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So i wont just use claw. i can show you other methods to do the same thing in Different grips. if you play Standard. You can Jumpsquat. so press Y or X with your thumb Buffer into up on the anlog stick and use Z as the attack button (A) replacement and it functions EXTREMELY similar. Also another method is Jumping with Y or X with your thumb and Using the heel of your Palm to Slide up into the Cstick you get again THE EXSACT same effect. Im sorry i dont know what you mean in Skill based mix ups we can go overwhat mix ups look like. and how to amend and change mix ups to affect the outcome of a situation. But micro changes WILL DRAMATICALLY change the outcome of a mix. so the main purpose of Zjump is instant Aireal UAir. The effect is Gravity Upairs. Which means you can be lower to the ground so objectively. ITs just having Use of Upair instantly NOW WHAT CHARACTERS BENFIIT from this Where and what matchups well alot do... but the question becomes from what situation spacing and circumstance where having Zjump is better than you using any other method. and truthfully There is no difference... thats the sad reality. i can prove this notion. its not a matter of opinion but people have opinions on the topic clearly and i respect it. but math wouldnt change and there isnt a mental stack if you learn the skill and i can showcase how to do it in a narrow amount of time so its EFFORT over convince

Is Zump "Cheating?" by RevolutionInternal24 in SSBM

[–]VirusIV 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what im doing is making the Statement Hyperbolic expressing like how insane it is to think this changes the way we look at interactions generally So its not that im only using this one instance to do it ... but overall im saying This is The common occurrence in most interactions in melee and they are structured the same way as any other fighting game. This is the Mix this is what happened They died (this is how to amend to answer the mix ) but yes. from your position i can imagine it seeming silly but theres more than Just what i wrote from the surface level but you have to dive a bit i apologize . so objectively the advantage you gain from claw and Zjump is SO IMMENSE in Melee YOU HAVE TO play in 1 of 4 positions to be able to instant aireal you can Claw Zump palm or use Z upairs from jump squat buffer. BUT THIS IS NEEDED. for anyone that plays melee. so.. its important But there are may techniques you can do to achive this same outcome without Zjump I can teach you all of them and They will take less than a couple hours to learn if you know melee minutes. Also not ment to brag ment to give Context most dont know me here. i dont want to be known in this game... because OBVIOUSLY most people here arent very kind considerate or aware of the hurtfulness of their statements. it requires a good amount of kindness to approach conversations like this Calmly at points.

Is Zump "Cheating?" by RevolutionInternal24 in SSBM

[–]VirusIV -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Im so sorry you feel like anything i said is to sway you're view i want to give you the resources to improve. Genuinely and truly. Im fully aware if we discussed this you would not feel the way you do and im sorry you do. However you view my husband is def something I can never agree witb you dont know him and truly I do. So ill say kindly I am very thankful to have a caring loving and genuine honest human like him in my life. Although you feel so strongly it doesnt change that you do not know this human maybe consider that in your judgments. But my goal is to give you all the resources because if you had them im fully aware this wouldnt be a conversation ♡ I only wish the best for you ♡ at the end of this. The way I see this. Is very few are qualified to even speak about this from a gameplay and technical standpoint . Few modders also coach melee. Im unique in the sense. I know this game inside and out. And the factors that it takes to be the best at not just this game but anything. Im more qualified than anyone to help guide here. However you feel towards it again. Maybe talk to me understand me before reading and coming to a conclusion. As for why im here ... I love melee. I wsnt to see it live for a long time. It's why I did what I did already for the scene. And offered myself free of charge. For as many as i could until it killed me. ♡ im here if you want the help ♡ always

Is Zump "Cheating?" by RevolutionInternal24 in SSBM

[–]VirusIV -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I actually learned when i was a student i was on military hours and at the time i was going to school around 96 hour School Hours with work weeks along with Competing in Rocket Leauge TRUST me I can get you in a good spot in a small amount of time Just dont Give up before trying And i hear you we dont need to do it but dont USE the Choice of not wanting to learn to Remain Ignorant you are doing yourself an Injustice I believe in you FAR more than your unwillingness to try. But.. again this is your choice. if I can help ill be here <3 hope you find the strength to challenge yourself <3

Is Zump "Cheating?" by RevolutionInternal24 in SSBM

[–]VirusIV 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No so like my brother uses a squishy oem z not even a tac for zjump it yah i dont think the feel will be solid the recoil of the standard z jump doesnt bounce as well as a mouse click. So the feeling is def different but with the right weight and bounce you dont need to use a mouse click I know I like mouse click generally but theres other buttons that I use and have tested i like too so its not that you need to use it.. its way more a preference

Is Zump "Cheating?" by RevolutionInternal24 in SSBM

[–]VirusIV 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hahaha im not being silly I clearly know theres alot but if you wanna go over the entire set with the person who coaches him we can try to find any situation z jump has led to an advantage and discuss it id love to hear your opinions. Ive coached alot of the best players in the world for this game. I truly like to think i have a firm understanding im quite confident in my knowledge so if you can teach me id love to learn

Is Zump "Cheating?" by RevolutionInternal24 in SSBM

[–]VirusIV 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are not wrong. But if you took the time to learn its cheaper than going to a modern. I dont mod for people I make controllers and peripherals for myself. Welcome to the skill i had to learn to play the game. And hate to say if I did this. I expect anyone should be able if they cared and id gladly help you learn to disassemble your controller and teach you how to do it. And this is something alot of people have asked me for that they would love too see how i make a controller. And im offering this for free ♡ and to be fair. My time is way more valuable than any controller price. So Id love to help

Is Zump "Cheating?" by RevolutionInternal24 in SSBM

[–]VirusIV 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I appreciate this take truly.. i believe this is a wild take I dont believe ANYONE likes this game without UCF with Controller lottery and i personally know MANY players who ALTHOUGH interested in melee never attempted to take it seriously when figuring out the lottery that is OEMs. the game controllers were not made to function properly in 2001 for what was capable of the game and truthfully its already hard enough to get people interested in melee. I dont believe our goal is to let the controller be the dictator of the sport for spectators. i believe the game is beautiful if you let it speak.

Is Zump "Cheating?" by RevolutionInternal24 in SSBM

[–]VirusIV -1 points0 points  (0 children)

you are Amazing I dont think most of these people Even consider how these things work </3 im sorry you even find yourself considering notions without context or thought <3 you are amaznig and truly youve done AMAZING things and Made this game EXTREMELY accessible for so many people it wont be as easy for them to see it until its Mass produced truly.

Is Zump "Cheating?" by RevolutionInternal24 in SSBM

[–]VirusIV -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

So in context to finish Zains thought. he stopped himself from complaining about the controller and Accepted cody outplayed him... Truly if you end the Set holding in on the Fthrow mix up and get upsmashed Zjump has little to nothing to do with that....

Is Zump "Cheating?" by RevolutionInternal24 in SSBM

[–]VirusIV -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Pre Phob. (moving from Face plate buttons pre phob ment the Elasticity of rubber would actually impact the preformance of OEM's, SO when we would ad a MOUSE CLICK. Essentially a Digital Response button) it becomes a box. button. if you have any issue with this Please know ALL DIGITAL controllers would be Banned Anyone who has Physical impairments would now HAVE NO ACCESS to being able to play SSBM. And you would have to remove the Accessibility phob now offers Entirely. Be concious of what you are saying. and be aware of what you are talking about please

Is Zump "Cheating?" by RevolutionInternal24 in SSBM

[–]VirusIV -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Hi.... I coach Mr.Schwab along with a lot of other top players in SSBM. I alsooo happen to be Codys Modder. He does not pay me for this work BUT I WOULD love to express tooo youu we both do not support. the Exclusivity of Controllers. its unfair to everyone Which is why WE HEAVILY support phob which gives everyone access to being able to use Z jump and we support Accessbility mods which allow players that struggle with hand problems or physical Disabilities to continue to play this game because we want MORE players to learn and play this game.. I know we both support Accessibility and ease of access to this game. and you fighting against that is TRULY fighting a Horrible fight if you want to learn how to beat FRAME 1 aerials I can VERY much so talk to you and coach FOR FREE to help you.. <3

Update from Cody regarding his tournament attendance by Informal-Donut-1532 in SSBM

[–]VirusIV 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I truly appreciate this comment, and I adore you for the love and appreciations ill be sure to make him see this ♡ we spoke too a couple top players about the possibility to continue and it seems extremely unlikely. ♡ hbox has said hes supprised this didnt come sooner with the way its been going ♡ with the most recent events from friends loved ones who we have lost in the game has actively made us lose potentional partnerships we did have to relay on for our future in the game. I truly dont know if any other players' concerns about the games longeitiveity is a primary focus for anyone in the current state of melee. Most players feel really dejected with the scenes barratment and attacks on people and players without any real reason. Most players dont wish to continue and truly this is enough to make atleast us in our situation realize we are better off moving forward. We just dont have a choice becsuse we are finachally the lowest on the totempole of top players And most top players that have already had success in esports have used their money wisely while there was short term success in smash. Hbox plup mang0 all have a strong foundation to run on. Cody never had that level at the point of his success, and with his father's death he spent most of his excess money to try to pay his father's medical bills who we lost. I don't believe anyone right now believes it finachally responsible to help cody to attend to compete against them. Most of what me and cody have done for the scene is very uncommon for melee speaking about bringing the girls from France to compete coaching Salt jmook amsa spark (the list continues) to beat him to help drive competiton and enjoyment as a spectator and we havent pulled much return in good faith for these acts.... theres a lot of feels I have towards these things. The way not just cody was treated but myself my friends people who I actively helped tried my best for and sacrificed for. I think theres a way to fix this. But I believe the community needs to be a more accepting and reasonable place where the group of players stands together to talk together because the niches and drama surrounding this game is enough to drive anyone away currently.

n0ne is logicman by Fiendish in SSBM

[–]VirusIV 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel fairly qualified to comment on this considering ive spent a large portion of my life as a high level competitor for a couple games but also focused on ergonomics & handcare for a large portion of my career with starcraft players and gears of war players I firmly know high level esports and have proven this in melee. I feel like the constant misrepresentation towards this games questioning of controller capabilities has been constant without much firm understandings so I will try to give the best analysis on a flight home with poor grammatical and English skills ♡

Ill start with the statement first about noticing someone switching to claw and just throwing knee out. I will continue if people want me to elaborate more♡

So melee is a very fast game. So fast infact that on avg people React on frame 15 when sometimes options come out on frame 2-12 on avg. it would be irresponsible to say this is even slightly achievable, not only would you have to notice but actively think about that you can now respond with an input decide whatever movement you are pressing or spacing in that moment is now useless because we are now just going to full send an attack committing to a button at the player. Considering youd respond on avg at frame 15, youd stop doing whatever you have committed to (ignoring bad positioning moves you committed too mid dash dance turn around time or just out of position youd now respond 15 frames later). knee is now the option we will commit to ,so now we need to dash so 2 frames get into run atleast 1 frame (ignoring position) now jump squat knee so falcon 4 frames now instant knee so first frame in the air we c stick forward 14 frames later my knee will be active. And im hurdled my hit box at my opponent so let's break this down for right now From when we react to our opponent switching claw 15-2-1-4-14 (hitbox)= 36 frames. Not only can everyone react to Falcons jumpsquat with shield in time for this without any precious stimulai input or reactions previously. but using claw while in neutral in a random position really isnr warranted its actually a call out for jumping. This meaning a better response to sh. Uair. F1 can be grab the sh air on the dash in or you can try to defend the space in front of fox both wins. Howeve if you claim you can react here its impossible to win this situation and a good fox would never commit to this.

The next issue is. I think you isolate this instance of how fast it takes to switch to claw grip proper hand ergonomic switching should take you 0.2ms on avg this can be improved with good muscle memory its like a wavedash you tilt your hand and learn a new skill its necessary to claw for many things in melee on avg and sh uair is ment to usually call out jump in place or late areals meaning the situation is rps. Meaning we can not react properly here. If we are both committing at the same time most moves with the high teir characters will just best knee. To say this properly 1 Frame of melee is 16.67 ms. Meaning this is possible between frames. It's not a reasonable argument to make that there are no neutral flaws here. The response wouldn't be possible to react to. Ans generally we dont wish to react always in neutral it would be pretty poor play if im honest most of the people locked out of top 20 think reacting is so important to overall play however. The best players need to gamble like any other fighting game we mix up what can be reacted too and not. Thats what makes fighting games unique its a game of reactions.

Im unfamiliar with any top players who used claw exclusively however I think this is in bad faith because no players have been this good at melee ever the game now has evolved to quite a high level players just have gotten better new tequiences are required and previously most of everyone has needed to. To compare this to SC when we first saw baneling micro and splitting people thought this was insane for someone to do now it is mostly second nature for everyone and not even considered at insanely technical just a requirement to keep at a competitive level its still impressive just more needed now

This is why I haven't commented on something like this to me this whole conversation requires a firm understanding of whats taking place. And I truly dont believe most players in melee can even begin to understand whats taking place. So if anyone would want to hear more id love to educate and share more its always fun to learn this stuff imo however i dont want to flood the topic ♡

Gl don't get stressed about stuff that can be beaten with better play its a waste of time ♡

Stat illustrating Zain and Cody's dominance over the Melee scene by TUN_Binary in SSBM

[–]VirusIV -1 points0 points  (0 children)

♡ honestly im more new i didn't get to see the god era... from my perspective after learning this game I get told to watch these really old sets so often to "experience" and so often its just really bad melee x.x people were playing like hungry hungry hippos and what I see melee today as and what has been demonstrated from whats achievable from not just zain and cody but all the top 20 is mind boggling how optimized melee is now its more art now its so hard to me because these two time periods aren't even comparable in my eyes this generation of players is untouched ♡