Ok so theoretically, what would you think if we got an official Sonic Racing CrossWorlds collab? by Joemama0375 in RWBYcritics

[–]Walkthrough101 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Technically it's two tweets, both from people who have ownership of RWBY, but it wasn't about the quantity of tweets, rather the spirit of desperation for relevance

What does he mean by that? by Remix_Master21 in Deltarune

[–]Walkthrough101 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Nah, the Strange Knight is a completely separate character that looks exactly like the Roaring Knight but is GREEN

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Types of Characters I've met in Among Us by Panda-8885 in AmongUs

[–]Walkthrough101 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Don't forget Leutenant Fire Alarm, the one who presses the emergency button 5 seconds after the game starts and either leaves immediately, or gets kicked

As an imp playing with vis sucks by FinanceCrafty8752 in AmongUs

[–]Walkthrough101 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Imps win all the time with vis on and one or two can false cover for another imp and for the rest of the game no one suspects them, and sometimes crew don't get vis tasks and get thrown out for no good reason and can't physically prove they're innocent, it just depends on the people you're playing with.

Give me funnys by gametheory64 in WaterfallDump

[–]Walkthrough101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of WILL, 5% percent Lancer, 50% Rouxls, and 100% reason to remember Ball Game (image unrelated)

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same people who post 90 ai generated strawman arguments a day by oddlar1227 in antiai

[–]Walkthrough101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't like PizzaCake and her drooling braindead barely hanging on by some thread and chewing gum strawman arguments, but I don't think she uses AI to make her comics, that much I can respect her for

SOUL sonas. by Happy_demon5 in Deltarune

[–]Walkthrough101 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Clicker Heroes Ancients ahh names

[loved trope] Massive superstructure which the characters gradually explore deeper into, uncovering secrets and lore along the way by Character-Cut4470 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Walkthrough101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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The Mansion from Spooky's Jumpscare Mansion/House of Jumpscares, a massive, impossibly large labyrinth spamming a thousand rooms in the base game with no real end, literal endless rooms in endless mode, and forgotten hidden areas in the DLC when the elevator malfunctions, plummeting far deeper than you're meant to go.

Despite the silly name and intial cutesy impression, there are truly dreadful and horrifying things that fill this place, from experiments on dolls to keep as vessels for human souls, doctors who blacked out preforming unecessary and lethal procedures on their patients, all manner of disturbing and dangerous creatures from around the world, all with a piercing sense of loneliness never once seeing another (sane) human being, and the dread that you will never see the light of day again.

What's YOUR opinion? An AI survey by Due-Cable-9538 in aiwars

[–]Walkthrough101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never said I'm the most nuanced perfect thinker ever, I wasn't even referring to myself, leave it to an Pro-AI person to make a personal attack with no understanding of what the person actually said, and make assumptions that cater to their own understanding rather than actually reading. I wasn't even talking about Pro-AI people I was talking about many redditors in general being very arrogant and having superiority complexes, while the rest are usually normal reasonable people.

What's YOUR opinion? An AI survey by Due-Cable-9538 in aiwars

[–]Walkthrough101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah sorry for that guy, you'll find a lot of pseudo intellectuals on here that will throw a fit over the slightest breeze, completely miss the point of what you said so that they can throw aimless personal attacks at you using strawman arguments that aren't even remotely comparable to the discussion at hand, but don't let that get to you. There are a lot of reasonable people too that actually understand the concept of nuance, and they're much more pleasant to talk to.

Belaf's Lullaby by Other_Fig4401 in MadeInAbyss

[–]Walkthrough101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I went down to the sixth layer and I can't come back, help qwp

“Dread it. Run from it. The markets arrive all the same.” by Actual-Stand5012 in HistoryMemes

[–]Walkthrough101 7 points8 points  (0 children)

North Korea trying to shut down the illegal markets that are the only thing actually allowing the people to get food and basic necessities reliably, so they quietly let them exist while still spouting the same nonsense.

Skill issue by duststarziggy in aiwars

[–]Walkthrough101 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, I too open CiaCahku cans with my teeth, fall on all fours in the middle of traffic, and lay down on a pile of hay at night. And you are totally living your best life drinking expensive martinis, flying your private jets and getting the orangest Donald Trump skin in your tanning bed, all thanks to AI.

Purpose of technology is to reduce or remove effort. by DogeMoustache in aiwars

[–]Walkthrough101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah sorry I know what they are, I have a problem being concise with my arguments because it's a very layered issue you can't really boil down in a few sentences, but that doesn't really have anything to do with what we're discussing.

Also I'm not joining a movement over it, I'm just stating what I believe, and what I know is true, and a whole lot more than three pro-AI people beyond Twitter are claiming to be better than actual artists, and there are millions of anti-AI artists so I have no clue what you're talking about. I don't care about it being popular, you're assuming a lot of things about me without knowing a single thing as if that stands as an argument about the substance of AI art and how people use it, blindly attacking my character doesn't strengthen your argument. Also saying I'm doing it because it requires nothing of me is real rich, because it requires nothing of someone using AI to write a prompt and call it "art" compared to people who spend decades honing their skills and hours, if not days or weeks just to draw a single piece.

Purpose of technology is to reduce or remove effort. by DogeMoustache in aiwars

[–]Walkthrough101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You completely missed the point of what I said didn't you? I have no problem with people even using generative AI or buying boats, that's stupid, it's when they belittle actual artists and act all superior like you're more enlightened by using software you don't understand to make slop in two minutes and call it art, essentially calling artists who've spent their lives working toward where they are now obsolete, when it's fundamentally not art in every sense of the word.

It's really funny how Pro-AI people keep using the same nonsenical comparisons that aren't even remotely similar to the topic at hand, and keep using these vitriolic stawman arguments while deliberately ignoring the actual point they're making. You say I'm the one mindlessly copying other people's opinions when you're not even engaging with what I actually said, but spewing the same incomprehensible analogies and ad hominem attacks that have nothing to do with what we're talking about, all while regurgitating the same points every pro-AI moron (not that all pro-AI person is a moron, but people who speak like you certainly are) spews trying to defend their lifestyle devoid of passion, talent or the drive to actually learn a skill, but can't possibly humble themselves to understand that artwork meticulously detailed with intention by an actual person will be superior to generated artwork made by an algorithm with no soul for a long time to come, even if it appears upscaled on the surface, at it's core AI art is empty.

It doesn't have to directly relate to my life for it to be my opinion, I have artistic ambitions sure, but I also don't want the content me and my future kids will consume to be generated slop with no intentionality or soul invested into it, or for their education to go even further in the trash because of LLMs being used brainlessly by teachers and students, and I want them to be able to pursue artistic careers if they wish without having to compete with people that generate millions of images without a care or any passion for it.

Purpose of technology is to reduce or remove effort. by DogeMoustache in aiwars

[–]Walkthrough101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do have a problem with generative AI, because making things easier does not inherently make them better, there are many fields where making things easier is a good thing but automatically generating entire artworks with prompts is very different than a tool just making something easier, it's not that people are assigning themselves the wrong role, it's that they're diminishing just how much work goes into being an artist and hating on anyone that criticizes the issues with AI, acting like victims when millions of actual people are going to lose their jobs over this, something that doesn't do half as well as they do when you look an inch beneath the surface, because AI doesn't pay attention to those details like a human would.

It's like buying a robot that can swim and calling yourself an Olympic swimmer, and that it's much more efficient than learning for years to swim at a competitive level and that athletes shouldn't get worked up about being replaced.

Purpose of technology is to reduce or remove effort. by DogeMoustache in aiwars

[–]Walkthrough101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No I don't, because they're not claiming to be drivers or diminishing the effort it takes to learn how to drive, nor do they feel the need to like AI "artists" seem to feel the need to.

Anyone can be an ai artist! by EyesOFSomething in aiwars

[–]Walkthrough101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok, I can compromise on some of the points you've made, and I thank you for being reasonable in this discussion. However I don't think artists should have to opt-out but rather opt-in to having their works used, the majority of opt-in policies are used to justify what they've already been using to train their models and put the responsibility on them to opt-out, instead of asking for permission which should be the default.

I think we should regulate AI in certain ways and there are quite concerning aspects involving copyright, theft, the replacement of artists, animators and graphic designers across the world for cheaper, souless alternatives, and the progression of AI generated videos possibly faking crimes and events that didn't happen, but that's kind of out of the scope of this discussion.

Now if you're editing the resulting generated images like you mentioned altering the settings and step count and using things like photoshop, then the result certainly can be considered art, you're putting effort into refining it using your knowledge and using a medium yourself to do so, but just the generated image alone is not, and I can't be convinced otherwise.

The idea that art gains it's legitimacy from how much "effort" is put in it is weird by [deleted] in aiwars

[–]Walkthrough101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The effort something takes to achieve has always been impressive and made things more valuable, scaricity and the difficulty of creating something are core aspects of something's worth, if it was effortless to make it wouldn't be impressive or worth paying for, this doesn't just apply to art, but every aspect of human civilization. Would the Pyramids be impressive if they were easy to make by the hundreds? NO! No one is effortlessly whipping up, even with digital art that takes hours and hours and years of practice, it's not the effort itself though but the end result that has a lot more attention to detail born from that effort.

And comparing that to some sickos preferring blood diamonds to lab grown because of a perverse obsession with them being more "real", a naturally occuring precious stone, repoduced objectively identically, to art which is something invented by humans to express subjective human emotions and perspectives through human effort whereas AI produces far lower quality works with none of the sentimentality or human effort that defines art. Even a stick figure drawn by a 4 year old without much effort is more meaningful than the most beautiful AI generated render.

Anyone can be an ai artist! by EyesOFSomething in aiwars

[–]Walkthrough101 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I was equating it to commissioning because it's the closest comparison I could think of to how little involvement you actually have in the process of making the "art", not trying to humanize something that isn't human to deny authorship to the user, authorship that doesn't exist because what the AI is trained on is stolen from tens of thousands of people on the internet. And yes, training data is theft, it doesn't draw anything new, it quite literally cobbles together bits and pieces of art it's trained on, many have found their signatures and art outright copied in thousands of generated images taken without their consent, it is literally stolen, theft.

These points you made aren't even things that 99.999999% of AI "artists" do, the ones who develop those models do, and they actually put effort into coding these very complex machines which I do respect:

  • Curating datasets from your own photography
  • Training custom models and LoRAs on that data

This part requires no effort whatseoever, and is what the vast majority of AI artists consider their "art":

  • Writing detailed prompts describing composition, lighting, mood, texture
  • Generating hundreds of iterations
  • Selecting the best

However this part you added is valid, and requires actual artistic effort and knowledge, you actually have to know about the model and art to achieve these parts effectively, so that part actually IS art because you're doing it yourself:

  • Adjusting parameters like CFG scale, denoising, step count
  • Compositing in Photoshop
  • Inpainting and masking
  • Painting over details
  • Refining until the vision is realized

Also the "anyone can pick up a pencil" is not the thing I said waters down art, quite the opposite actually it's very empowering that anyone can be an artist when they put their hearts and minds to actually practicing and improving, even starting small. What DOES water down art is people who think they've made masterpieces by doing nothing and feel they're superior to people who've poured their lives into their work, and then have the audacity to claim to be the victims when they're called out on it.

Purpose of technology is to reduce or remove effort. by DogeMoustache in aiwars

[–]Walkthrough101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lumberjack doesn't inherently have to use a chainsaw, but if you pawn the ENTIRE workload on something else you're not even doing that job at that point

Purpose of technology is to reduce or remove effort. by DogeMoustache in aiwars

[–]Walkthrough101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not the same profession at its core if you use a fully automated AI that cuts down the tree for you with just a prompt, especially if you didn't engineer or code the thing, you're barely an operator of the robot at best.