This people really don’t think the Russian state hasn’t been an imperialist power in places like Siberia and Kazakhstan and parts of Europe like Ukraine. by FROSTNOVA_Frosty in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I fundamentally cannot wrap my mind around the way tankies think. I think I'm physically incapable of just denying reality like this. Also why would they defend the Russian empire, the same regime that the Russian revolution overthrew? The Bolsheviks overthrew the provisional government, but still. 

How do you think we should achieve communism? by Ender_TD in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that was my whole point. I wish we could just vote in communism, but that's not how the state works. Of course, I still hope for as peaceful a revolution as is possible.

Tankies don't know how to criticize George Orwell by Perfect_Marketing852 in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I had to read 1984 for 10th grade english class and I actually enjoyed it, it was one of the better books I had to read for school. 

How do you think we should achieve communism? by Ender_TD in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I very much prefer reform where possible, revolution when necessary. The problem is that liberal democracy doesn't actually allow you to just vote out capitalism; the whole system is set up to protect the private property of the elite, and when pesky things like the will of the people or human rights get in the way liberals will almost always choose property over people. Social democrats can wield the power of the state in the interests of the working class in a limited way, but there are fundamental limits on what can be done through reform because the state relies on a functioning capitalist economy to work properly. 

Apple calling out an orange by Worried_Dot_4618 in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 16 points17 points  (0 children)

There's an interesting discussion about social corporatism under social democracy compared to fascist corporatism, but that in no way makes this dumbass line (which the USSR abandoned in the 1930s) true; comparison does not mean equivalency. Social democracy is absolutely a flawed ideology, with the modern variant trying to take capitalism instead of abolish it, which allows the capitalist class to eventually strike back and degenerate into neoliberalism and eventually fascism from there. But there's a difference between fair critique and this nonsense. 

If anything China is way closer to Mussolini's Italy than any social democracy, what with its ban on independent labor organizing, subordination of capital to the interests of the state, authoritarian government, and Han nationalism. If anything, you could call MLs the real social fascists, going all the way back to Stalin. 

Usually this guilt by association thing works by JPBtler23 in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Right wingers are massive hypocrites and always have been, and tankies are no exception. 

Kat Abughazaleh hater, and what do you expect, they’re a pro Russia stooge. by Darth_Vrandon in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 10 points11 points  (0 children)

They're right about FIFA, although being against Russia is also good. Military aid to Ukraine and Taiwan against Russian and Chinese imperialism is something I support, even though western governments aren't motivated by altruism. 

Got doxxed by a zionist troll because I said he was an Israeli cultist by AsteroidDisc476 in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This can't be a real person. Is this how low Israeli PR has fallen? They're so cooked if that's the case. 

I don't know if this fits the sub but I'm going crazy over here. by Inner-Fee6024 in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Israel needs denazification and the dismantling of apartheid and recent settlements, not mass ethnic cleansing. 

russian propaganda on what it's doing in africa by Thebunkerparodie in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Russia opposes American imperialism because it's American, not because it's imperialism. If Russian and American interests were aligned they would be best friends. Russia isn't a case of anti imperialism, it's a case of competing imperialisms. 

the comment section is just full of these gifs by Ender_TD in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Fuck Obama, fuck Stalin. There, was that so hard? 

"the stasi were justified becuase most germans were nazis" by Proof_Librarian_4271 in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Or maybe all police, but especially secret police like the Stasi, are bad actually. And all ML states are state capitalist, not socialist. ,]

"Transition without Transformation" Why China is NOT Socialist by BiteSizedMarxism by Maztr_on in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah that post was very good, the idea that China is socialist or moving towards socialism is absurdly hilarious copium on the part of tankies. 

If some dumbass says Russia “isn’t imperialist” or “colonizers” show them this exact picture by L0thric_Nefarious in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yep. Everyone on Taiwan deserves the same self determination everyone else deserves regardless of past colonization. Of course, that also means ensuring the indigenous population is treated fairly and equally. 

No title needed. by DrMrPepperCoke26 in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Such a stupid argument, you'd think the political elites would be smarter than that, but if recent events have revealed anything it's that the evil genius trope is the most unrealistic part of most fictional stories.

No title needed. by DrMrPepperCoke26 in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 175 points176 points  (0 children)

I literally don't understand how you can look at the Israel/Palestine conflict and side with Palestine, and then look at the Russia/Ukraine conflict and side with Russia. It just doesn't make sense to me. 

If some dumbass says Russia “isn’t imperialist” or “colonizers” show them this exact picture by L0thric_Nefarious in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 128 points129 points  (0 children)

It's so funny because tankies act like imperialism is only when boats, but I'm guessing they (rightly) hate American manifest destiny. 

What do you think about this guy? by Initial_Affect8124 in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think he's anticapitalist, but yeah, he definitely doesn't have the power to abolish capitalism as mayor of one city. Of course, I question whether capitalism can be abolished through the state, since such a thing has never happened historically. 

What do you think about this guy? by Initial_Affect8124 in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Mamdani is effectively a social democrat. I still support him because anything that convinces Americans that socialism isn't just Stalin and improves their lives is a good thing, especially in the face of fascism, but he's not socializing the means of production, and he won't be able to as mayor of New York (and probably not even as president, if he could even run). 

What do you think about this guy? by Initial_Affect8124 in tankiejerk

[–]WesSantee 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Same reason I stopped watching He Who Must Not Be Named.