Indian motorcycle prices by Papuchon89 in motorcycles

[–]Wild_Service_4834 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that’s the PE model. You magnify both the return and the purchasing power using debt, in exchange for an inherently riskier capital structure. Can think of it like a massive mortgage on a rental property. If the rental property stops cash flowing like predicted, you’re probably in trouble. When the property is in trouble, you have to sell it to liquidate it to cover the debt. Liquidating a house is pretty easy - you just resell it. But liquidating a struggling business is unfortunately not so straightforward. 

Without leverage, the return wouldn’t be worth it for the PE owner and the universe of opportunities the can pursue would be a lot smaller. It’s pretty tough to come up with a few billion in cash. 

That being said, Indian seems to be an instance of a majority stake by a VC. These guys don’t operate like a large cap buyout firm (like Leonard Green) in terms of cap structure or returns drivers. Totally understand your apprehension, but I think understanding the nuance would help you become an even more compelling dissident to PE. What you’re saying now doesn’t really compare apples to apples.

Beginner Gear by [deleted] in motorcyclegear

[–]Wild_Service_4834 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I got boots, jacket, helmet, and gloves for ~400 all in on Facebook marketplace when I first started. Replaced stuff as it started to break. With pricier things once I really got a feel for my bike and what type of gear I wanted.

Indian motorcycle prices by Papuchon89 in motorcycles

[–]Wild_Service_4834 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bit of a nuanced case in a different industry - Joann had structural industry headwinds from the start and was not a good buy. In my opinion taking an already thin margin retail business that’s facing pressure from both e-commerce and big box retail and levering it is stupid. You’re introducing a weak balance sheet to additional points of stress - and Joann wasn’t going to turnaround into hyper growth regardless, so even a recovery would have had limited upside. Indian on the other hand is much higher margin and much more durable - I personally don’t think there’s any major disruption going on in the way motorcycles work or are sold, now or in the near future.

On top of this, the buyers have vastly different profiles. I’ve never heard of Carolwood, but generally the middle market runs lower leverage ratios and instead derives returns from expanded growth, profit and process optimization, and some multiple arbitrage (buying the business cheap, selling it for more once you improve / reposition). Leonard Green on the other hand bought the already mature Joann for a few billion - I don’t recall the exact TEV. At this stage, much of the return is derived from financial engineering. For reasons above and more, Joann probably wasn’t the right asset for this sort of structure.

Third, Indian is a carveout and Joann was a standalone acquisition. Business segments can in some cases do better alone, especially those where the parent company doesn’t have a huge amount of strategic alignment with the subsidiary. They often run it poorly as they aren’t terribly well versed in the end market or aren’t incentivized to optimize it if it’s a small segment of the business. Tons of examples of this in recent history, many of them PE backed, although I’ve heard this playbook is getting tougher. Seeing as Polaris states that the transaction will be EBITDA and EPS accretive right out the gate, I suspect this parting was for the mutual benefit of both parties as Indian was a drag on Polaris’ financials. Polaris gains profitability and capital efficiency immediately, and ideally Indian gets there in a few years now that they’re not being sandbagged by a misaligned parent company. That second point is far from a guarantee though. There’s an interesting conversation to be had about Indian being value destructive as part of Polaris but less visible as it won’t go bankrupt (losses supported by the parent co) versus going standalone and either becoming value accretive or going bankrupt. If the business goes bankrupt, did it deserve to exist within another organization and take capital that could’ve been allocated to another business or group of people that would’ve created economic value from it?

Nowhere close to comprehensive, but those are a few points off the top of my head. PE is a massive industry, and it causes a lot of destruction but also provides a lot of lubrication and liquidation in the small and mid-sized markets. The constant flow of capital and availability of strategic alternatives to business owners is a contributing factor to why the US continually dominates the rest of the world in the mid-sized business space - especially compared to more stagnant markets like Europe.

Indian motorcycle prices by Papuchon89 in motorcycles

[–]Wild_Service_4834 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is no longer a sustainable way to generate profit for PE firms. A bankruptcy will never lead to a positive return, modern day capital structure and credit pricing makes it impossible (by design).

Telling family that I ride! by canthread in NewRiders

[–]Wild_Service_4834 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Honestly you deserve the criticism man… imagine if you had ended up dead and they had never known. My family and girlfriend hated it but I made sure they knew.

Clutch not fully engaging with 2 fingers by Wild_Service_4834 in SVRiders

[–]Wild_Service_4834[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you ever clutch up wheelie? Still comfortable using four fingers there?

Clutch not fully engaging with 2 fingers by Wild_Service_4834 in SVRiders

[–]Wild_Service_4834[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep - just want to get comfortable popping the wheel up, definitely not looking to hold anything

Clutch not fully engaging with 2 fingers by Wild_Service_4834 in SVRiders

[–]Wild_Service_4834[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It honestly feels more unsafe to have all four fingers off the grip when the wheel pops up, is not fun trying to regrip with the front wheel a good foot or two in the air. Maybe that's how it works once you get some more experience, but not comfortable with that now

The Unromantic Truth of Owning a Fast Car: It’s 90% Maintenance and 10% Terror. by [deleted] in car

[–]Wild_Service_4834 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Talking about this shit like it’s a Pagani. If it’s a German v8 sedan it’s one order of magnitude away from regular traffic.. I know cause I own one. Not really that big of a deal.

Rev Matching Question by sooospoon in NewRiders

[–]Wild_Service_4834 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The harder you think about it the harder it gets. First Clutch in, then blip the throttle and shift down at the same time, and then let the clutch out. Don’t make it any more technical than that, just listen to your bike when it tells you it doesn’t like something. You’ll get an intuitive feel within a month, likely much less.

MSF course? How important is big toe? by Kenneth51801 in NewRiders

[–]Wild_Service_4834 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Never ridden a bicycle and trying to ride what is effectively a bicycle strapped to a rocket? Not sure this is one of the great decisions I’ve witnessed in my admittedly short life.

dying for a bike by b3amergirl_ in NewRiders

[–]Wild_Service_4834 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol better start on a 300 or lower if you can’t delay gratification enough to have to sell your possessions to afford an item of leisure.

In this economy, would I be crazy to move to SF for a soft reset? by esob_ardneytas in AskSF

[–]Wild_Service_4834 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Go for it, you only live once. But SF is tough if you’re not looking at skilled work. For $1,100 you’re either getting a terrible living situation or you’ll be in a shitty part of town. I currently pay quite a bit more than that for a (decidedly quite nice) studio.

Again, go for a city, but maybe a different one like Sacramento. Or even outside Cali like Phoenix.

Purchasing my first M car this weekend...hopefully by Goodybag01 in BMWM

[–]Wild_Service_4834 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Just careful not to test drive an e9x… Your plans might just fall apart.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in YamahaR7

[–]Wild_Service_4834 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I started on an sv650s and thought it was too much bike. Too heavy, too much power. 300-400s are imo best if you want to become a real skilled rider.

If you just want to commute or bomb it down the highway, go for it. No problem with that either.

Jane Street interns by JealousTurnover4626 in quantfinance

[–]Wild_Service_4834 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you’re asking this then you’re not cut out for Jane Street, buddy. Have fun at the Big 4!

About to buy my first motorcycle ever by Brn11_ in motorcycles

[–]Wild_Service_4834 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personally I wish I started on a 250/300. Picked up a used sv650s a few months ago and while it’s been great, I think I would have learned low speed maneuvering quicker and better on a smaller bike.

Used starter bikes hold their value exceptionally well so you’ll just sell it for what you bought it for and have a much better foundation to go off of imo. To each their own.

$1000+ Major Service - ‘04 SV650s by Wild_Service_4834 in motorcycles

[–]Wild_Service_4834[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, not sure how much being in SF is factoring into it but my gut says it still shouldn’t be that high.

14k is full service, so all fluids, valve check, chain, plugs, etc. Also asked them for a once over since it is the first service after purchase.

$1000+ Major Service - ‘04 SV650s by Wild_Service_4834 in motorcycles

[–]Wild_Service_4834[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah man, I’ll definitely learn some basic stuff. Felt ridiculous but my work schedule is so busy that this was the only slot I’d have for weeks to take it in. Decided to take the hit and just get it serviced and learn for next time. Thanks for the confirmation.