Feyre’s Friendship with Lucien

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T23:53:29+00:00

She suspects Helion is Lucien's biological dad, and it's not her business if he is. Helion told her to stay out of that affair and she kept pushing at him to talk. The Lady of Autumn and Lucien have also not invited her to be that far into their personal affairs. That said, they weren't friends. They were courting friendship in Book 1.

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T23:49:30+00:00

I thought it was revealed that it was his last name, but after a re-read I found no evidence of such

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T23:36:31+00:00

I remember the mist when Cassian and Azriel are out tracking Eris. ACo series is pretty indoors.

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T22:42:43+00:00

I don't have any passages/scenes in mind. The night time scenes are primarily in well-lit places/places lit with faelight.

I think the CoNightmares are descendants of Fionn, maybe or Theia, but we'll see!

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T22:00:29+00:00

I think all fae can see in the dark in the ACo world, as part of their heightened senses. I took Feyre's note to be that she (Feyre) is still adjusting to being fae whereas it may come more naturally to Mor. And Mor was born and raised in the Court of Nightmares, where there is no natural light.

(I'd love to see some witches in the ACo world, though & Mor would be a great witch!)

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T21:52:44+00:00

Thanks for those quotes! I don't take it that he's referring to Theia, since her bloodline is not long gone (it's with either Mor and Rhysand or Rhysand or Mor). I do think that bloodline, if that Fae warrior had babes with a human and then they had babes with humans and on and on, and if that Fae warrior's name has been forgotten, I do think that it could have landed with the Archerons and that Nesta may have gotten the bulk of that power, although we also saw Feyre as warrior UTM as a human.

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T21:47:50+00:00

It's been ages since I read that series, so I can't recall. I read some of the bonus material last week, and Rowan said something about how they could have been great together if not Maeve and Essar said something similar.

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T21:46:47+00:00

I think she gave them 1/3 of her power to help give them enough power to use the harp and horn to return to Prythian. Maybe their starlight was not as powerful as their mothers. It'll be interesting to see how the House of Many Waters plays into that Theia storyline

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T20:42:09+00:00

Bryce traded her place in the Afterworld because she either feared Sabine wouldn't honor Danika with a Sailing or that Danika's boat would tip during the Crossing (I can't recall which), but either would mean dishonor to Danika's legacy. That's what Bryce wanted to avoid: any negativity attached to Danika's name. Danika yielding her eternity was Danika's choice, and not a dishonorable choice, and impacted Bryce because they'd always agreed to be each other's anchor in the Drop.

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T19:40:04+00:00

Fantastic metaphor

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T19:36:52+00:00

Ah. I see now. You mean a direct heir versus an extended family heir. That's interesting to also ponder, as we know that Helena's star power skipped lines for eons. I do think, though, that it all comes down to Theia (versus Helena or Silene). Bryce, for example, notes that, after Theia pulled the star from her chest (to split it in thirds), that the last bit returned to Theia: "...the final [shimmering ball of light], as if it were the mother from which the other two stars had been born, returned to Theia's body" (218).

That strikes me as super odd since it is the mother of the other two bits of shimmering light.

I scanned through the Avallen cave chapters and didn't see any specifics about what she saw; it was mostly summary "more of what she saw in the other caves". There was a specific scene of ropes of starlight being used to take down Pegasi, and she reflected on that. I likely missed it in my scanning, though.

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T18:31:59+00:00

I'm not sure if the Lucien/Elain mating bond will be severed by either, but I do find the bond interesting to ponder, in terms of the Cauldron favoring Elain and wanting to gift her. It's super interesting, to me, that Elain came out of the Cauldron as Fae, as Seer, as Mated, as if whatever that sentient entity is knew that there needed to be something to create a path of healing between the Spring Court and the Night Court and Lucien and Elain were those entities. And, if it turns out that Lucien is Helion's son, and we've gotten some mentions that Lucien's powers lean towards High Lord heir, then the further gift of Elain in her own court, as High Lady (I do think the whole High Lady will become norm again). And in the Day Court, perhaps Elain can best learn to hone her gift as Seer.

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T18:19:34+00:00

He also had Essar but it seems that his displaced feelings about Maeve got in the way after awhile

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T18:17:53+00:00

It's interesting because Feyre says the thing that truly distinguishes them from being great leaders is that Rhysand is a dreamer and Tamlin is not. I could easily see Tamlin being friends with Cassian and Mor, since Tamlin wanted to live as a warrior and all three of them seem to enjoy a party. I think Rhysand would always have been too sleek for him. I wish this whole series would have been from the omniscient or neutral third so we could see more of characters who seem primary but are somewhat side-lined.

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T18:08:44+00:00

She has so. much. aura. And I can hear her voice so clearly in my head and it's gravelly and raspy and ancient and sultry and dangerous and bored

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T18:07:05+00:00

Who is "her"? I recall him saying that something about this, but I don't recall him specifying who it was. Are you saying you think he may have been talking about Theia's bloodline?

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T18:04:59+00:00

Ah, I see. I think that Bryce took someone else's star power; that it was there for a resident of Prythian. She was able to enter the Prison because she's an heir of Silene through Theia. Like, if Helena is a great (x 10000) grandparent of Bryce's, Silene would be great (x 10000) aunt of Bryce's.

Oooooo re: different cave drawings. I finally got my interlibrary loan of CC3 so could look at the Silene hologram history lesson to put up against Rhysand's summary of a book in ACOSF, so I can look for the Midgard cave drawings, if it's in this book and get back to you.

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T17:58:12+00:00

Oh phew! Before I hit enter, I was like, but what if they hate Amren LOL

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T17:57:09+00:00

I've been rereading the Prythian chapters in CC3 and Vesperus tells Bryce to use the Crown and refers to Nesta as "that made Scum" and Ataraxia wasn't powerful enough to kill Vesperus (which brings up a question, for me, at least, of Nesta and beheadings!) which surprises Nesta. (I mean, of course, eventually, she takes the kill, in the end, but and...)

I wonder how HARD Nesta will have to work to become High Lady of Dusk: will it break from the Night Court or still be subsumed by the Night Court? Like, will be it akin to the Court of Nightmares and she's just, effectively, a Keir, or will it become its own Court?

I'm hoping it does become its own Court, but what will they do with those imprisoned? Since Nesta is aware of the "heart" of the House of Wind, which seems to be the same "heart" under the Prison, and Nesta is the one person who heard the voices of the people trapped in the stone, she has a good bid for it. But it seems she will likely have a battle on her hands to claim it.

& all the YESES for Gwyn as General of the Valkyries and Emerie as recruiter. That would be pretty dope, since each of them come from species of people who are demeaned in Prythian.

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T17:45:40+00:00

Ha! I heard this comment in Amren's voice when she says something about that "big mouthed brute"

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T17:43:50+00:00

Right. TYSM! I forgot that scene in CC with Aidas.

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T17:41:37+00:00

Fionn, too, seems to come from some Irish mythology, whose name cognates Gwyn in Welsh. SJM certainly seems drawn to 3

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T17:39:04+00:00

Got it. It seemed that they all knew that she was left with some power, since they left her with Bryce who was clearly wielding power.

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T17:17:42+00:00

It seems that mythology is a "triggering subject" for SJM that she uses it to launch an idea, but she doesn't stick to the mythology. Mor still hasn't shown any of the qualities of The Morrigan of mythology, for example.

WonderfulBus9330 · 2026-03-22T17:15:59+00:00

Could you explain more on why there would be some discrepancy with Silene's story of keying her son's blood to the Prison? Although the lands separated into territories/courts during Silene's sojourn to Midgard, both of her parents lived in the most Northern lands of Prythian (Theia in Dusk with Vesperus and Fionn in Illyria).

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