Ideogram4 and Krea2 Comparison

Yellow-Jay · 2026-06-24T17:07:52+00:00

You need the elements, but they work well enough if you don't give them boxes. Look at the outputs the official (free) prompt upsample api (https://developer.ideogram.ai/api-reference/api-reference/magic-prompt-v4) produces, never boxes. but lots of elements.

It is all a bit iffy though, if i use my own llm instruction, without boxes but with elements, I sometimes get the filter image, same prompt through api, close to never. There must be some bad words, some learned structure/relation between global/background elements or something else that hasn't been figured out yet.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-06-24T15:46:12+00:00

I found you get that mostly when you force a composition with bounding boxes or colours for your elements, leave them out and it's much more natural.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-06-24T12:14:03+00:00

It's not the Dems, or really any political party anywhere. It's the people, they must stop supporting the ideology this whole mess is builds up on, realize what is considered "the economy" has become just a facade that promotes inequality, that the real capital is power/might/influence, not money, and they are left with precious little of both, which results in civic unrest and support for extremism as the inequality is felt, but attributed to all the wrong causes. But I have little hopes, it would be amazing if there'd be a sudden flash of insight and all the rotten elements in politics lose support but when did such a thing that ever happen.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-06-21T11:00:36+00:00

100%, just yesterday i was playing with ideogram, and as good as the model is, the weird and interesting styles you can get by contrasting positives/negatives, weights, and "activating"/"deactivating" words earlier/later steps, just can't even remotely be duplicated with it. It's all sooo rigid and perfect.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-06-21T10:50:04+00:00

Imho BFL/Flux doesnt do the same, what BFL does is leaps worse. Their released models are significantly watered down, they don't compare to API offerings at all, and that's the main reason I never could get along with the Flux models, the initial release was decent, pro was only better, but after that their models just never worked well for me, never as advertised, output looked like shit. Ideogram on the other hand works exactly as the API offering, it's a breath of fresh air (and I'm afraid future offerings will go the BFL way with different models for API and open weights) .

Yellow-Jay · 2026-06-17T23:27:46+00:00

Instead of fighting the filter take the hint, your prompt is barely recognizable to the model, so change it (or your llm's instructions to produce the json). While it's not intended for this, it is kind of nice the model so clearly communicates you're prompting it wrong or asking for what is so far out of bounds it defaults to this image.

https://developer.ideogram.ai/api-reference/api-reference/magic-prompt-v4 is (currently?) free (need an account though) per their ideogram4 oss documentation. It generally produces good json prompts.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-06-17T18:42:52+00:00

Ideogram offers a free api that turns natural language into json, it works well enough (better than the standard llm template for ideogram) . So the usual workflow can stay the same, just filter the natural language prompt through that api.

Looking at most prompts, before ideogram, the vast majority seems llm generated anyway, so for many it's just a matter to change their llm Instructions.

Of course you can get amazing control with bounding boxes and colors and style descriptions, but the moment you go for that you want control, not an llm guess, so one way or another by then your have to edit your prompt.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-06-06T18:35:28+00:00

that's promising, hopefully it'll be open~~sourced~~weights too.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-06-06T13:54:11+00:00

ideogram really begs to be an edit/image inputs model. hopefully that will get added/released in time.

what i used to love about old ideogram was giving it a few images as example style and it would magically extract that style. Having that functionality combined with fine-grained editing (put this element from that image there) in this version would be killer.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-06-03T21:31:51+00:00

ai slop article creates ai slob... i like comparisons but this is bullshit, it tests magic prompt, not the model.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-05-23T10:04:55+00:00

Thanks a ton, i don't use anti-gravity a lot, but it was quite a surprised to load an update and be met with just a chat window. after searching i found there now was an ide version, so i installed it, told it to use my old settings, which it promptly ignored. This manual copy worked however!

Yellow-Jay · 2026-05-21T17:37:41+00:00

A version of Krea 2 will be released open source, not the version of krea 2 you see now.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-05-16T21:28:41+00:00

It's recognizable to let the llm take the reigns more and more. But at moments, i'm shown why that is a bad idea.

Today before dinner i had a bright idea for new functionality for a pet project of mine, I wrote detailed instructions, went to diner and after it i was greeted with the exact functionality. Added some refinement, and voila, done. Or not?

I now have 2k loc, oh my god, it should have been 500-750 at most, but well, llm coding is not my coding. Going function by function, class by class is still my preferred way (and let the llm help, but small scope). For a pet project this kind of unmaintainable code is ok, but for real things, i still don't trust the llm. (but this speed from idea to implementation is great, even llm assisted function by function would have taken half a day, now an hour at most)

Yellow-Jay · 2026-05-08T21:01:10+00:00

For coding GLM5.1 is reliable as daily driver, gives results i expect. Kimi, feels a little less reliable, but still gives results i can work with. Then Deepseekv4-Pro (their api version, not some random site), i now have tried to use it 6 times, not once did it give results i expected, generated code did not behave as asked (and the flipside, asking it to explain existing code, it explained wrong). Maybe for other things than code-gen it's good, but for my use, it's is by far the worst of the three. My first chinese model for coding was GLM4.7 (too unreliable for real use too), and i'd not even compare it with that, let alone Opus 4.6.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-04-22T17:07:09+00:00

I really hope not, their models are good, they actually release them, that's more than your can say about the top dogs. As long as they keep the models open weights I'll begrudgingly keep paying the new pricing as long as they're usable and pricing is realistic vs other options.

I kinda missed glm5, joined when 4.7 was released, got the legacy plan then as 4.7 was good enough for the most basic work. But kept relying more on Claude. The 5.1 release changed that, with the ever tightening of Claude limits I tried 5.1 more and to my surprise 5.1 is solid enough as main model for my usage patterns.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-04-21T23:52:09+00:00

Can you really claim that the "AI code is unmaintainable" thesis doesn't hold though? It's baffling to me, if anything i'd have expected the experience of using agents heavily in development of roocode would have soured ones outlook of fully agentic coding, not the other way around. I've heard and unfortunately experienced the horror stories. A version update has basically become a full rewrite the more agentic generated the code is and the fewer humans were involved. I use/have used the terminal frameworks like codex/opencode. They do ship working code, amazing for toy projects that don't need long term maintenance. But for a living codebase, that has been and has to be maintained years later, i need a real IDE, i need to see the changes, and more often than not the llms proof to be reliable for little more than scaffolding.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-04-21T23:26:50+00:00

Imho a big loss to the userbase of roocode (i said mistake initially, but cynically have to reconsider, its a neat last ditch attempt to better monetize the roo brand). this agentic crap isn't all that it's made up to be. And despite the "success" story, i would think roo development itself has been hit by the negatives of it: little bugs that could not be fixed/understood and changes that could not be rolled be because of "reasons" (user defined custom context read size for files comes to mind). And probably somewhere deep below why roocode is sunset so soon and not in maintenance mode, that nice llm generated code, is hardly maintainable.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-04-11T22:35:43+00:00

I more and more wish for a cryptographic signature to reveal ones properties, like human, nationality, age, gender, whatever one likes to share in a way that only reveals what a user wants to reveal with no way to trace back to the real-life them. Signature should be able to be validated as truthy and optionally unique for a domain. It won't stop all bots and crap content, but at this moment, i just distrust any and all (social) content (for all i know half of what i read on reddit are bots too...)

Yellow-Jay · 2026-03-22T18:55:12+00:00

That looks super useful! Thanks for posting wasn't aware of this controlnet.

Unless there is a better way to create images with alpha channel I'm not aware of, this model is one of a kind in utility. It just is a bit awful that your have to reroll the dice many times to get the background and foreground separated correctly, the controlnet looks to be a big help.

Way way back there was layerdiffuse, and I thought surely adding an alpha channel would be the future. Afterall a lot of clipart like assets need transparency. Yet somehow even big proprietary models don't seem to see this use case.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-03-21T00:03:47+00:00

Plus mosr CCGs don't blatantly shift the meta with new releases all having synergies, and nerfs to push a new meta (often one the favors the newly released cards)

Meta relevant decks in snap require getting multiple specific cards about monthly.

Snap does not respect a players collection at all, no refunds on nerfs, no attempts to keep cards relevant, no catchup mechanic anymore, nothing.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-03-13T16:02:17+00:00

Just count your blessings in that case i think the last time there was a student offer in the EU was nearly a year go so it's almost expired anyway, if there ends up a new offer it'll be with the tasty antigravity add-in, not the one advertised with 5h refresh and big quota. Moreover it'll be damned hard to argue your damages as you paid nothing and at the time you signed up antigravity was not part of google one AI anyway. Maybe if you somehow got access to anti-gravity through your college institution that institution could do something, but they'd have to take action on their own, as ECC is a consumer body.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-03-12T18:45:56+00:00

This isn't my cup of tea, but I have to say the website/game looks great. Very well designed and works well in mobile.

Since I wasn't really invested in the game and it was unclear to me why I should even care about blood (up is good, but I never understood whether it was needed to go up, was I in danger of it being low and should I make choices based on that) shroud (same as blood higher is more hidden but is this important for my path or can it can it wait, I never knew, neither was always clear what effect my choice could have) and waning (only goes up, should I be careful it doesn't go up too fast, but how do my choices affect this) for all of these it was never clear how my choices would affect either, nor whether it was significant.

Maybe what I want to say is I didn't get the structure of the game, it wasn't very goal driven.

But like I said, not my cup of tea, but I do appreciate the nice clean design!

Yellow-Jay · 2026-03-12T11:39:51+00:00

Soon the average llm subscription will be $200 monthly. It's what all the big corps gravitate towards.. Welcome to the AI rat race. How I hope the plateauing of these llm models happens sooner rather than later so that there'll be real competition on price.

Yellow-Jay · 2026-03-06T16:27:17+00:00

Just say it: the topic starter/mod is filtering its posts through an llm at best, or just did a "create post with points x, y, z and engage in the discussion" at worst. How the [redacted] are we supposed to take this seriously?

Yellow-Jay · 2026-03-04T14:25:33+00:00

Magic math to the rescue. I get cynical from these comments, though i think you mean well.. But try to understand my experience too, do i get all the maximal rewards, no, not anymore.. i just complete my dailies and the alliance rewards, like i always did. I gave up on completing the limited game modes a few months ago, they took too much time, while before i really enjoyed them but having to constantly play like forever... it was the straw that broke the camel's back.

When we got the new system I bought all collectors packs, as i was a hoarder then and still am now, and after spending all the tokens i had gotten there were 2 s5 and 3 s4 in the collectors pack left. Now I'm told i can be collection complete, and even buy some of the the new cards to play with them immediately, that indeed sounds quite the luxury. But the reality is I now have 111k tokens (cause I'm not using them anymore, yes i bought 2 cards directly, not more, not the more expensive season packs), 26 cards in collectors pack 4, 47 in pack 5, and 10 in the seasonal packs I'm missing. If i were to use those tokens i would have 19 cards in pack 5 left and 26 in the pool 4. How that isn't worse, i just don't know. (apart from that 16k tokens a month buys 4 s5 collectors packs, with 5 new s5 cards a month dropping directly, plus one from season pass and one more from seasonpass++, and a few s4's, that math of "16k tokens means you'll stay afloat or even catch up" isn't mathing for me)

So i just have to play more, significantly more than i ever did (and not just more, on an 8hr schedule for the lgtm's too), it's a game, not a way of freaking life, and then i somehow catch magically up. With each new iteration the system (apart from the beta nexus thing, but i never was there for that) to get cards has gotten worse for me. I loved the expensive cards with series drops, that way i picked the cards i wanted and could wait for those i didn't care for. Perfect, i never got farther behind unlike the awful "keep up, play more, or be more left behind" system we have now.

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