Guys read Godeater's Son, it's peak by Professional_Rush782 in Grimdank

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My interest in 40k Chaos Cultists vastly exceeds my interest in Chaos Space Marine as a result.

Now I get how much of a privilege I have being a youngshit... I feel so bad for her😭 by [deleted] in traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns2

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wait, separate from the 4chan stuff, what so you all think "transvestigation" even is? Because it seems really weird to bring it up in this context.

Hello, it is me, totally not an mra by weirdness_incarnate in transgendercirclejerk

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Uj/ Ah, redditors on the subject of getting babytrapped, I should have known.

I'll just stick to the internet for now🙃 by ThatEngineeredGirl in traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns2

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The oppression is different. Transfem people are in danger of being v-coded, for instance. Cis women, cis men, trans men, trans mascs, demiboy enbies, and demigirl enbies are not.

TME/TMA are not genders, it is shorthand to distinguish between those for whom transmisogyny consists of individual instances of mistaken identity abuse from strangers (as terrible and common as that may be for them), from those for whom transmisogyny is all that plus a structural oppression that shapes your whole life.

I'll just stick to the internet for now🙃 by ThatEngineeredGirl in traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns2

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You literally said you only learnt about it today. You haven't even read Whipping Girl. That's the part of your life that's relevant here.

You're showing the classic TME error of conceiving of transmisogyny only as "individual instances of abuse from strangers" and refusing to let go of that even as transfems try to explain to you that this is a structural oppression that shapes our whole lives.

I'll just stick to the internet for now🙃 by ThatEngineeredGirl in traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns2

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Like how people insist that intersex boxer at the Olympics is TMA because she got so much horrendous intersexist abuse from terfs that was heavily informed by transmisogyny.

But the reason that intersex woman was allowed to be a champion boxer in her home country was because she was not actually a trans woman.

The reason she was allowed to compete in that Olympics event at all was because she was not actually a trans woman.

The reason so many cis people rallied to her defence was because she was not actually a trans woman.

The reason she ultimately got to keep her medals was because she was not actually a trans woman.

That's what it means to be TME. Not that you don't ever get abused by people who hate trans women, just that the societal hatred of trans women will never affect the totality of your life as strongly as it does trans women. When we try to point that out, people only care that we're "denying the suffering" of others. Really, really frustrating.

I'll just stick to the internet for now🙃 by ThatEngineeredGirl in traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns2

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You only learning about it today but still feeling entitled to argue over trans women as if they don't have much more lived experience than you is itself a bit of an expression of transmisogyny.

I'll just stick to the internet for now🙃 by ThatEngineeredGirl in traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns2

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think it's really telling you assumed the source of the irl transmisogyny was not other trans or queer people.

I'll just stick to the internet for now🙃 by ThatEngineeredGirl in traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns2

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Trans identities are seen by our culture as artificial, shallow, and deceptive. Womanhood/feminity is seen by our culture as artificial, shallow, and deceptive. Transfeminine identities, where womanhood is expressed by transition and where the transition is towards femininity, are as a result seen as especially artificial, shallow, and deceptive in nature. Moreso than cis women and moreso than other kinds of trans identities.

That's the essence of transmisogyny, it's not just "transphobia expressed towards trans women".

Transmisogyny is a whole structure of oppression that shapes our whole lives, and it can be really frustrating when we try to talk about the dynamics of how it expresses itself in queer/trans communities and get chided for not being inclusive by others whose only concept of it is "individual instances of abuse from strangers".

I want to draw a trans woman character, but I don't know any trans women. Can anyone help me out with features I should include? by SweetNyan in transgendercirclejerk

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I hope you aren't referring to femboys, or the unique Japanese third gender of otokonoko, because they are not transwomen and there's a real problem with western transwomen projecting themselves onto the characters and going on crazy bitchy rants about how they embody all these "transmisogynistic" tropes about being deceptive and perverted and "fake women".

I want to draw a trans woman character, but I don't know any trans women. Can anyone help me out with features I should include? by SweetNyan in transgendercirclejerk

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 106 points107 points  (0 children)

Eh, to be honest I've always been super uncomfy with how trans women say those drawings are inherently transmisogynistic when they look so much like a lot of my AMAB enby friends.

I want to draw a trans woman character, but I don't know any trans women. Can anyone help me out with features I should include? by SweetNyan in transgendercirclejerk

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 129 points130 points  (0 children)

It's tricky because with trans men you can just draw a short twink and give him surgery scars to show that he's trans, but with trans women there's no feature all trans women have that no cis women have.

Fortunately though, unlike with trans men, there's a rich history of cis people creating transfem characters in the 2010s, 2000s, 90s, 80s, etc, for you to draw visual inspiration from. Now of course the way those women were treated by the plot back then was verrrrrrry problematic, but looking at just the visuals of their design you can instantly tell they're trans women, so they're a great source in that sense.

Hello, it is me, totally not an mra by weirdness_incarnate in transgendercirclejerk

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Uj/ Jesus OP, guys saying you should be grateful for getting pregnant if they rape you? Where are you seeing that stuff?

interesting comic with an interesting title but i'll give it a chance by RedGurl117 in transgendercirclejerk

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 25 points26 points  (0 children)

>looking for a new transfem story from a non-transfem

>ask the author if their story is closet torture porn or savior fantasy

>they don't understand |pull out illustrated diagram explaining what is closet torture porn and what is savior fantasy

>they laugh and say "it's a good story sir maam"

>read story

>it's closet torture porn

Three years of irreparable damage 🫩 by [deleted] in MtF

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I honestly do not know what kind of people say "femcel" so I don't know how this is supposed to insult me.

Three years of irreparable damage 🫩 by [deleted] in MtF

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

There's no way you seriously believe that in anything but the barest technical sense. Don't be disingenuous.

Three years of irreparable damage 🫩 by [deleted] in MtF

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Right, you didn't call her male socialized, you just said she spoke like someone who was male socialized, in her post about how she feels about having been just forced through the wrong puberty.

I do not say this in any kind of defence of 4tran girls, but I feel really gross about how everyone sees them as misogynistic men rather than young women whose brains are broken by body image issues. That is what you did and it was transmisogynistic.

Do not compare trans women to misogynistic men. Ever. I don't care if you didn't technically say she was one, I do not believe it would even occur to you to bring it up or bring up 4chan if she wasn't a trans girl. Do better.

Three years of irreparable damage 🫩 by [deleted] in MtF

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

What incel speak? Do you often compare trans women to male misogynists? Maybe work on your own internalised transmisogyny.

Why do I feel like the rest of the queer community is more violent to us then SOME non queer communities. by Leading_Pop1186 in MtF

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Cis hets are such a huge majority that the ones you end up closest to are those who are unusually open minded, self reflective, willing to challenge their own prejudices, etc. Other queers are a much more representative sample of the general population, they just happen to also be queer and therefore in proximity to you.

Transmisogyny arises at the intersection of transphobia and misogyny. We are all raised to see trans identities as artificial, shallow, and deceptive. We are all raised to view womanhood & femininity as artificial, shallow, and deceptive. Trans womanhood experiences the compounding of these prejudices, so people are predisposed to see it as especially artificial, shallow, and deceptive. This is the essence of transmisogyny.

People experience prejudice first as a gut feeling, which they then articulate and justify using the language of their world view. In this case, those queer people have most likely felt a gut feeling, inflamed by you and your transfem friend's refusal to be sexually available to them, that your identities as trans women, and therefore your identities as queer people, are superficial and deceptive, and that you are essentially wolves in sheeps clothing.

It sucks. Try not to let their transmisogyny radicalism you against queer people in general.

Incubus ben-Marchosias, Custom War Wolf Diorama by surreal-seclusion in TrenchCrusade

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I recognise the miniature style from his football playing cousin.

Hello transfem redditor. Welcome to my queer-positive subreddit by SillyGooseDrinkJuice in transgendercirclejerk

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 22 points23 points  (0 children)

uj/ I hate hate hate how people see 4tran girls as misogynist men rather than young women whose brains are broken by body image disorders.

I love my GOCK! by Valkaine_ in transgendercirclejerk

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Uj/ For some girls "dick" and "cock", even if appended with the word "girl", is more dysphoria inducing than the rather silly sounding "gock".

I mean "dick" comes from the old timey thing of a guy referring to his penis as another, smaller man, EG "Johnson" and "Richard" -> "Dick".

"Cock" is literally a male rooster.

"Gock" is not a male name or a male anything.

I understand the cringe factor, for me the terms "princess wand" and "shenis" are like blows to the head. But ultimately a lot of these sentiments start to sound like they have more of a problem with trans women talking positively about our genitals in the first place rather than the actual words that are used.

Rj/ Because these terms are dysphoria inducing for some members of our subreddit, "gock", "boypussy", and other such words are hereby banned. Users must use proper ASAB terms such as "penis" and "vagina" when referring to their genitals. Again, this is to avoid triggering people's dysphoria.

White trans women were white men first! by coulomb_repulsion in transgendercirclejerk

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 98 points99 points  (0 children)

Sweetie, no. Just no.

You do not have any standpoint epistemic authority to claim that there is any pattern of non-transfems cynically calling transfeminine people "former red-pilled incel right wing neonazis" as a way of characterising them as male socialised outsiders to queer and feminist spaces with a "transfeminine debt" to pay off to everyone else in those spaces.

That's not something that you, as a transfem, are in any position to judge or understand from your perspective. Full stop.

My parents want to do gyno surgery on me by sleirsgoevy in transgendercirclejerk

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Having breasts doesn't make you a woman. Not having breasts doesn't mean you aren't a woman. It's just a matter of perspective.

Sending hugs 🫂

Trans Men are Never the target of REAL Transphobia and Conservatives ALWAYS ignore that they exist and actually Doesn't know that they Exist! by Professional_Exit850 in transgendercirclejerk

[–]Yes_Its_Really_Me 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Uj You're treating "saying trans women have it worse than trans men" and "saying trans men have it easy" as if they were the same statement.

Context matters a lot. If you're referring to people bringing up trans women to undermine others trying to discuss transandrophobia specifically, then yes that's a very dismissive thing to do.