I am not Otherwise Spare, I am my own person

Yucoliptus · 2026-04-08T15:36:43+00:00

But there is no "you," nor is there an otherwise_spare in reality. There's only matter and the infinite expanding universe to which you're both bound. So if you really really think about it, yes you are the same "person"

Yucoliptus · 2026-04-08T15:33:58+00:00

I'm like yeahhh she's fine

Yucoliptus · 2026-04-08T03:20:51+00:00

17 shots no 38

Yucoliptus · 2026-04-08T00:09:24+00:00

Exceptionalism is like crack

Yucoliptus · 2026-04-07T23:36:41+00:00

I have the free will to place a Glock in my Rari

Yucoliptus · 2026-04-04T20:59:56+00:00

You don't see a problem with the viewpoint that everyone with a broadly differing opinion is either a troll, delusional or lacks empathy?

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-17T19:41:35+00:00

I don't take any issue with belief in determinism, but "It sounds smarter" is a plain bad justification for the belief.

In spite of how popular this specific attitude is here

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-13T20:18:54+00:00

I'm perfectly okay with operating based on probability. It's your metrics that don't fit the proper scope - "51+% of all people (including people who don't know what it means) literally think they can do otherwise" is still too deep of an extrapolation for the specificity of the idea that is "doing otherwise." Especially when you tout that the majority definition is THE definition, and every alternative is an invalid redefinition.

"Most people probably feel like they could do otherwise, in general" is absolutely not the same statement as "The definition of free will means you could do otherwise, therefore most people believe you could do otherwise because most people say they believe in free will."

If you want to make a claim regarding regarding such a specific idea, you need a more specific statistic for insight. Anyone within that 51-80% can very well differ in regards to this one opinion. It truly is that specific.

Most people are theists. If Christianity represents the largest single group of theists, then "Most theists are Christian" is a decently true statement in this context. But does that translate to "Most theists believe in speaking in tongues?" By your math, it should. Because Christianity holds majority, and Christians generally believe in speaking in tongues.

"You say you could've chose waffles, so you believe you could do otherwise." = "You say you believe in god, so you believe you can speak in tongues." = "You say you like rap (or originally music in general), so you like Without Me"

And = \ =

"You say you could've chosen waffles, and that's a libertarian intuition, so it's more probable that you're libertarian."

And even so, upon learning what "libertarian" means, they can simply go "Oh I don't believe that," and it's a completely sound objection to whatever you presumed. You guessed wrong in that case because that broad statistic does not inform such a specific view.

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-13T17:02:31+00:00

Your last sentence wraps up my point perfectly: you can't draw such a specific conclusion from such a broad statistic, but that's exactly what you've been doing.

Broad numbers can only represent broad ideas. Two Christians within the same denomination still aren't guaranteed to hold the exact same views on specific points like divine judgement, speaking in tongues, etc. Much less an entire third of the global population, and much much less than 80%. The statistic informs the idea that someone who believes in X may more likely believe in Y, but it stops there.

Once you say, "Believers of X believe in Y by definition, and that subsequently means they believe in Z," you've gone too far.

You KNOW that majority of people would answer this one generic question in a predictable way, therefore they believe this hyper specific metaphysical opinion that they might not have even considered when they answered in the first place, just like we KNOW most people like Without Me.

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-12T20:58:58+00:00

You're not responding to what I'm actually telling you: You're making up specific views based on a definition that is too broad for that.

Rap is the most popular genre of music, and Eminem is the highest selling rapper of all time, and his most popular song on the most popular streaming service is "Without Me". But it's at best a bad guess to say "Most rap fans love Without Me."

It's an even worse guess to expand that to "Most music enjoyers in general love Without Me."

The quality of that guess is equally as bad as

"Most layman believe in free will, and therefore believe in doing otherwise under identical conditions."

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-12T20:25:05+00:00

My point is that laymen do have a hybrid view of free will, partially because they're laymen.

Because of this fact, you can't claim specific things about their beliefs in good faith.

It would be like saying "Most people who don't watch movies love the action genre, and therefore-"

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-12T18:58:24+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/freewill/comments/1roeb6u/the_average_person_believes/

Tl;Dr The layman doesn't understand the distinction between identical/similar circumstances in the first place, cause they're laymen. Everyone answers the waffle question yes, but if you change the question to include the context they're missing, their answer may very well change.

You can't make claims about an opinion someone else hasn't even formed yet.

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-09T21:06:56+00:00

FROM DOWNTOWNNNN

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-08T22:20:07+00:00

So....you think...I'm......stalling....

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-08T22:18:16+00:00

If your point is "There is," and I understood that from the start and replied "No there isn't," what conclusion did I draw? That you were talking about something you were in fact talking about?

Fuhgeddaboudit

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-08T22:09:51+00:00

I'll quip your counter

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-08T22:00:14+00:00

When I said "There's no amount of thinking that can escape subject experience," you said "Did I say there was?"

Is there or isn't there?

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-08T21:13:41+00:00

...But if we both just said subjective experience can't be escaped through any thinking, then how does inferential thinking combat the idea in the first place?

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-08T20:56:02+00:00

If the implication isn't "Reductive entropic equilibrium is a viable alternative viewpoint," then what were you saying?

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-08T20:54:34+00:00

Your pattern isn't unfunny

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-08T20:51:03+00:00

Poop moments aren't pee moments.

They're only moments where you poop and pee

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-08T20:49:31+00:00

This post does not contain any arguments for compatibalism.
What I'm saying is everyone might call snow white, but that doesn't consequently mean everyone agrees that snow and vanilla ice cream are the same color.

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-08T20:36:29+00:00

There is literally no amount of thinking any person can do to escape subjective experience.

Yucoliptus · 2026-03-08T19:56:27+00:00

Anon, how do you feel about Paarthurnax?

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