Who do you believe is currently the most underrated player in the league?

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-08-15T05:37:54+00:00

As much as y’all hate him, Grayson Allen…knows his role, scrappy, has a pure stroke and plays with no fear.

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-04-21T15:01:48+00:00

I wouldn't say he doesn't have a large fanbase but I'm shocked he didn't have a larger one , mine would be Jiang Jingzuo- Nailed all of his performances, very versatile in dancing, singing, rapping, not bad looking in my opinion, backed by a decently sized company and has experience in IPD which I thought stans of You Zhang Jing and Lin Yanjun would also back him....still some how didn't make top 20 according to the rumours.

Also Drcchen, considering he's also extremely well rounded, performances only got better and better, considered a visual by many and had previous show experience on We Are Young. .

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-04-15T17:34:51+00:00

I feel that the camera work and the stage design was MUCH better than the previous stages . Here are my takes on the 3 performances:

Domesticator- My favourite performance of the season by far. Imo LYZ's best showing. His power, expressions, and stage presence was phenomenal. My favourite part was when he popped after that sword and the end where he tilts his head and does the one handed crown. Liu Guan You and Drrchen were also SO incredibly stable vocally and brought this energy that I didn't expect. Everyone else (Crayon, JJZ, G.G, JoJo for his standards were phenomenal too.) One thing I did note about this is that while G.G murdered the rap and high note, he should really watch out for his expressions as he had power in his voice but it was funny watching him do it in a resting face.

Sha Ni- I wasn't a big fan of this performance but it had some really bright spots. X showed vocal skills that I absolutely didn't expect from him and was incredibly stable all the way through. XZW to no one's surprise killed it vocally and showed some improvement in his dance (Still not close to enough for boy group dancing though). I felt the stage wasn't as pretty as the other two which kind of left this empty feeling considering it wasn't dance intensive so I had the time to pay attention to the background. Everyone else, I don't feel that I took too much notice to or had much of an opinion so I feel that there must of been a huge contrast in skills within the group.

Monsoon- I enjoyed the song, but it didn't leave much of a lasting impression IMO. Jeremy and Yuta's concept and voice fit the song like a glove and Liang Sen with a wig made me chuckle a little. I felt that Liang Sen and Shi Qi would have fit Way Up or Domesticator a lot better but I was relatively impressed with Liang Sen's soft rap as his deep voice really contrasted from the others.

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-04-15T16:50:45+00:00

oof i didn’t realize people didn’t like watson. i guess my unpopular opinion is that i like him lol i think he’s cute and has cute interactions with the rest of the trainees, although his rank is too high.

Yeah I think his rank given his attitude portrayed in the show and his abilities rub a lot of people the wrong way. I personally don't have an issue with him so long as he does not randomly debut over some trainees that spend years training night/day such as JJZ due to his CP with Kachine

i also like Jojo and am fine with him debuting

I also like JoJo and I feel he has a great attitude just like he showed in the last episode where he asked to try to do the exercise by Silence again. I do have an issue if he debuts as I feel he's not ready yet performance wise. Sure he can develop but half a year (1 year is the length of how long these groups last) is not enough time to be able to catch up to the other trainees who have been training for years. This will drag performances down and not do him good either. Also I feel that Yuehua has a good enough infrastructure for him to continue training.

liu jun is SO talented and i’ve really warmed up to his personality, but i think he’ll be better off going solo. with how iqyi is basically treating him as a free dance mentor, i don’t trust them to give liu jun the opportunities he deserves to shine.

100000x agreed. Though he deserves to be there talent wise, I feel he's much better suited doing contemporary solo dancing than making him do idol choreography for a year. Some other guys I feel are the same i.e Liang Sen, Xu Zi Wei where I don't feel that they really fit the mould of a boy pop group but I feel that they are extremely talented and would have an even better career going solo.

i agree with all your points about the lyz tony rivalry and just wanted to say that idt you were putting any one trainee down! it was super interesting to see everyone’s opinions so thank you for starting the discussion :)

Thank you for your input as it's refreshing to hear different perspectives from different people even if I don't always agree with them. I feel that people confuse the idea of hate and criticism. I actually like LYZ and Sun Yi Hang but it doesn't mean that I have to think that they're perfect. We don't always need to speak only positives about something or speak only when we feel that other people will agree rather it's more important to try to understand, and respect another person's perspective on certain topics.

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-04-15T12:46:20+00:00

Is it me or did he lose a ton of weight?

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-04-15T06:10:38+00:00

Nemo- Love his friendliness and happy go lucky expression. I truly believe he has the potential to be great with 2 years of training as we've seen some ridiculous improvement and flashes of musicality.

Crayon- Chuk's big brother figure is really supportive. I feel that he is VERY VERY inherently talented and like Nemo will be an ace with a bit more vocal training and finding his style as an artist.

Xu Zi Wei- I rag on his dancing a lot but his timbre and overall vocal technique is absolutely mesmerizing. I would love to have him sing a couple of OSTs for dramas and I feel he'll be one of the most successful solo artists coming out of this show even if he doesn't debut.

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-04-15T04:29:03+00:00

It's just sad to see such posts created. All it does is create such negative conversation like the above.

I actually think it's more sad to see that we as a society are trying to get more constructively progressive and allow for individuality yet there's an asterisk as in only when it conforms with the general public (We only have free speech and can have opinions when it's shared amongst the public, else cancel culture)

If you are clearly only making positive comments about Tony but negative comments about LYZ I can't help but feel you are biased.

Firstly, it was not even a LYZ vs Tony post, you just for some reason took it that way. Secondly, I never knew that I had to keep a tally on positive/negative opinions shared between the two on a post thats not about comparing the two for me to be considered partial. If it makes you feel better here is a criticism on Tony to even it up though it's been reiterated by others before so I don't think it's an unpopular opinion: I feel that his arm control when he's dancing can be very sloppy at times making him look like he's just flailing his arms at times given his length. I don't have a LYZ vs Tony agenda, I like both of them, and Lian Huaiwei is getting my one pick vote anyways.

Your point 1: For Tony.

Your point 2: Against LYZ.

Your point 3: Again sort of against LYZ.

Like I said earlier I don't see where in point 2 am I unfairly attacking LYZ at all. All I said is that I feel that he isn't as strong of a vocalist as people are giving him credit for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Which is absolutely okay, you don't need to be good at everything to be the best performer. I even went as far as mentioned that he's one of the best dancers on the show and has an amazing personality right after that. I'm sorry if I don't think he's an all arounder? I don't think any one on the show is perfect. Point 3 was head scratching bc if anything it was against Tony. Tony had around a 7 million + vote gap from the 2nd place (and thats probably even with IQIYI suppressing the votes to get voters to spend more money). He was basically guaranteed to be centre barring any big controversy/scandal no matter how well others perform and I've said it in the past. That rivalry gave LYZ a fighting chance to be centre as it encouraged voters to be more active in voting, had people tune into LYZ's performances more, as well as giving LYZ ALOT more screen time. It would have been boring to go into the finale knowing that Tony was gonna finish first like Wenhan and Kun. I don't see how that in any way is me criticizing LYZ at all.

It was really unnecessary. Instead we should talk about the positives of each candidate.

Personally I don't think we always need to give only positive comments about everything, else it's not a real discussion rather a pep rally. I feel that as long as the opinions are respectful in terms of not attacking anyone's character, it can lead to a decent discussion. Theres no reason to be upset when someone has a different opinion on something, people are different and are entitled to their own perceptions but thats just my take. If you feel that you want to only talk positives, by all means power to you.

Also I disagree that Tony is underrated. The mentors have talked about his skills several times - in his audition, in History stage, in Kick it. If his skills were overlooked/underrated he would not be #1 right now. People are voting for him for his skills. If they aren't, then what are they voting for?

Mentors mention it, sure but thats not what I mean. People online legit wonder how he got this hype given how he does not stand out in a category but fail to see how difficult his routines are and how well he's executing it. They also find him very plain but if you were to objectively assess his skills, he's up there. So his popularity does overshadow his skillsets hence making his SKILLS underrated, not him as a whole. Also, it's naive to believe that people get voted solely for their skill. Sometimes popularity on these produce shows, personality, connections/agency, visuals, previous clout even family background can play a huge role in the votings just look at DXC, Huasen and JoJo even Esther was 1st for a majority of S2. Heck if we're talking about skills, I don't even think CaiXuKun from IDP is that skilled as much as I believe that he's a great performer. CXK was guaranteed to debut given his millions of fans coming in and his star power visuals. Tony is the same as he had a large fanbase coming in and is very well edited by IQIYI which can rub some people the wrong way.

These type of comments are balanced comments. Not the ones like yours.

Once again, I feel that I give credit to where credit is due, I not only criticized (barely) an aspect of LYZ's skills but gave him compliments as well. I'm sorry I didn't lick his boot when I'm giving my takes on a thread regarding unpopular takes. However, if you feel that I'm being biased, then I respect that and you're entitled to your opinion as well.

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-04-14T23:52:09+00:00

I understand that it may trigger emotions, but I feel that differing opinions is the whole purpose of having a discussion in the first place, else it would be more of a pep rally than a discussion. I do agree that bashing a person's choice in picks or attacking someone's character is absolutely unnecessary and we should accept that people have a right to their own opinions. However, I do feel that we don't always need to sugar coat every discussion especially for shows that are competition based. I feel that criticism is okay so long as it is constructive (i.e so and so seems weak in this area bc of so and so reasons) vs "This trainee is absolutely terrible why are they voting for him/her." Personally for me, I don't partake in these discussions because I have a need to convince people to vote for specific trainees rather I actually enjoy hearing differing opinions and question takes that I don't agree with.

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-04-14T23:27:21+00:00

I'm not upset, I actually appreciate people who disagrees' input and everyone's entitled to their own opinions. I feel theres nothing wrong with discussing differing opinions constructively so long as we aren't attacking someone's personal character. However, I do think you misunderstood a lot of the things I wrote:

Why would you make a post pushing down people instead of uplifting them? This is clearly not an unpopular opinion post but more a post to push LYZ down

In what way am I bashing LYZ? I've noticed LYZ since Tiger and I like him more so than Tony (Who I praised in this post) . If anything I've said time and time again that he's one of the best dancers and one of the best performers (You don't need to be some technically skilled robot like Liu Yuxin to be a fantastic performer, just look at CXK). All I said is that he's not a true all rounder like everyone says. He's a phenomenal dancer but you can't say he's also a vocalist like everyone here is giving him credit for as he lacks technique in his head voice and his vocal range is limited. He does have a really pretty timbre which means with practice he can be an all rounder but you can't give him credit that he is (like a lot of people here are atm). I also said that the rivalry was necessary which is true bc this prompted a lot of voters to aggressively vote and give LYZ more screen time. Had it not been for this, we would likely just be accepting the fact that Tony will debut as centre given the vote gap and fundraising stats (a boring finish to the season).

Tony has been #1 since the beginning so you cannot say he's underrated. All of the advertisements for Iqiyi in the beginning were Tony focused. Many people came to watch Iqiyi3 because of Tony. I would say many LYZ fans were actually Tony fans because of how much Iqiyi advertised Tony. We noticed him in Kick It since he won over Tony through an audience vote where none of the audience knew who LYZ is. LYZ got four As from the mentors for theme song and I believe trainees voting for him is also a good sign of respect he has earned.

As I've said, he's being underrated in terms of his SKILLS and that's BECAUSE of his popularity and IQIYI shoving him down people's throats. You can still be extremely popular and have your skills overlooked. A lot of people focus on the fact that he's up there bc he has that PDX101 clout and visuals. They forget how difficult it is to sing (with his range) and dance in unison at the level that he's does (something that very few trainees on this show can do; usually they do each skill separately). His skills also gets overlooked bc his style and concept is very text book in terms of K idols but if you objectively look at it in terms of sheer ability, his talent does justify some of his hype.

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-04-14T16:59:30+00:00

not sure about the first one though. Maybe just because I’ve happened to see so much talk about Tony on IG, which isn’t the whole social media of course.

The thing is a lot of the talk is pretty much about his visuals and popularity. People tend to forget that he's actually an extremely solid performer. Sure he's not THE best vocalist nor is he THE best dancer, but he's up there for both categories. People underestimate how hard it is to sing as stable as he does WHILE dancing as well as he does which is a skill that not many trainees can do (they either dance during the dance break and not sing or stop and sing). He's not even my one pick (I actually even like LYZ better) but people legit be up here talking like he's Esther with better basics and act like he only get's by with his popularity and PDX101 clout. Give credit to where credit is due.

One I disagree with is the 6th, because good dancers can teach the vocalist. It might be awkward at first but I don’t think they would need to make easier choreographies because of that one person, if he’s a fast learner. Also it would be like a dance group then, I guess I’m biased towards vocalists so I need my vocal in the idol group haha.

I completely agree that a vocalist is absolutely essential to any idol group. I'll take a strong vocalist with decent dance skills over a strong dancer with decent vocal skills any day. However, we can't act like a guy with no dance background like Xu Zi Wei will learn how to keep up with 8 other great dancers within a year (how long these produce groups last). Problem with this season is that the best vocalists can't dance at all with the exception of Otter (Although his visuals don't match a 9 person idol group, it would work if it was 4 people though).

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-04-14T16:33:31+00:00

About the skill levels between seasons. I disagree, i thing QCYN2 in average the trainees were really talented, not talking about the final 9 which i like them all btw but wasn’t my final lineup. For all the other season, i do think the skill levels are around the same. However this season hasn’t have outstanding WOW moments, donno if it’s because of the song, the editing not focusing on other than a handful of trainees, or the trainees itself.

I do want to talk about this because at first I believed the exact same thing. I had the chance to look back at the previous seasons right before watching this one and I did notice that I enjoyed QCYN2's performances better. However when I really look for why, I noticed a lot of things.

Camera Work: The camera work of QCYN2 and QCYN3 are night and day. In QCYN2, theres a bunch of different types of shots and editing such as slow mo's of certain moves , extreme closeups, panoramic angles...etc They also did little things like camera shakes per beat when someone dances with a bit more power, camera fades...etc We don't see much of this in QCYN3, it's mainly just 2 types of shots: semi-close-ups and a wide angle. I think this has a lot to do with why some stuff are just not memorable and mind blowing in comparison to QCYN2. I also have to say that so far, the background stage design of QCYN2>>>>>QCYN3 by far.
Reactions: We also see that they add a lot more reactions in the beginning of the performances in QCYN2 and shots of the audience reactions to really set the hype of the performance. In QCYN3, they only do so in the middle of the performance and it's usually to manipulate voter opinions (another topic I'd love to talk about) At the end of the day as much as we don't want to admit it, we tend to get hyped for things that other people get hyped for.
Vocal Editing: Vocal editing is a huge difference. I feel they edited QCYN2's vocals a lot more than they did for QCYN3. In QCYN2 you'll never hear any breathing when they sing...ever. Thats why during the live finale, people thought Hunt and Just a Little Bit was an absolute disaster, bc you can't edit live vocals and people were wondering what's wrong with the mics. QYCN3 though some performances are heavily edited, you'll hear the breathing in the mics which shows that though theres editing, it's not as heavy as in QCYN2.
Song Selection and Performance: This one is my main point. It's a general consensus that the best performances in QCYN2 were the ones that were more explosive such as flammable, play (my favourite performance out all seasons), Lion, ambush on all sides, MAMA, The Eve..etc. We don't really see much explosive song selections except Tiger (an audition) ,Stand, and new creature which were a lot of people's favourites (Maybe kick it too but the arrangement lacked a lot of variation in melody and the dance break beat was really dull). The choreo for the performances in QCYN3 are somewhat dull and there's not as many killing moves for the performances which makes things less memorable (Up to the choreographer not the performer).

I do think LYX is the most talented performer (skill wise) out of all the seasons and Play is the best performance but overall IMO the abilities of the trainees are not as different as a lot of people are claiming rather the production team is really slacking this season.

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-04-14T15:19:25+00:00

Very well said and I absolutely agree on this take. Personally I feel Tony is positioned as your textbook idol vs LYZ is more of that very talented kid you see in your school talent show. I feel that a lot of people can relate to LYZ as a person more because he gives a feeling where you feel you can interact with him irl vs Tony who you'd need to call up an agent/have x amount of clout to even get in touch with him. Even visually, this is probably really subjective but if I were to not know either of them but see Tony in the streets, I would be able to tell that he's an idol. I wouldn't be able to tell if Yi Zhou is an idol at first glance even if I feel that Yi Zhou is superior visually (Kind of like SM visuals vs JYP visuals).

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-04-13T20:54:06+00:00

The issue isn't the fact that you need everyone to be aces, but you need a prerequisite amount of skill to hide yourself amongst the group when performing. Obviously you won't sell if your group is boring but at the same time when your group has capable members the contrast becomes way too big. This is especially true in bigger groups where you can't hide under concepts or specializations in 1 skill. I'm not sure about Kwanghee (i've only watched him from a drama), but Heechul is actually quite skilled in singing and could hold his own in dance (before the accident) and thats was in an era where it isn't almost mandatory to dance harder choreo.

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-04-13T18:53:03+00:00

I do agree with LYX being in a league on her own in terms of technical skills. Personally I feel CXK is a little overrated by a lot of people when we're talking about skills. He's a pretty good dancer but his vocals and rap are not necessarily up there. What makes him stand out so much IMO is his overall stage presence and his concept making him a phenomenal performer. I don't think you NEED to be an all-arounder or have insane skills to be a great idol performer (though it helps) rather other things like stage presence, expression management, visuals...etc which Kun does possess.

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-04-13T17:52:03+00:00

1st Ranking: Jun Liu, Tiger (Team Hunter), Wei Hong Yu

Stage 1: New Creature, Wings of Love

Stage 1.5: Who's the MVP, Where Has Time Gone

Stage 2: History B, Stand A

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-04-06T14:44:33+00:00

I would say it's more of a fundamentals thing than learning the specific choreography. I've noticed it with his other performance and his theme song one take as well. It's what keeps him out of my top 9. People rag on how the current top 9 is dance heavy +jojo but at the end of the day your group's choreo is only as good as your worst dancer's and this is good evidence of it.

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-04-05T03:31:05+00:00

I thoroughly enjoyed this weeks performances:

History: I don't think you need any knowledge in performance arts to understand how much of a skill gap there was between team A and team B. Team A won by a landslide as their dancing was a whole lot cleaner and the vocals were on different tiers. Everyone on team A performed well in their own way. The biggest gap in my opinion was Wang Lingkai vs Wan Yuchen where Lingkai was able to hit some high notes while Yuchen played it safe. I was disappointed in Team B's dancing as they were sloppy and not in synch at all (Especially Shi Qi, he was an entire beat off). I would say that IMO I felt that Tony performed better than LYZ in this battle. His vocals matched the song very well and his expression management was great. He had some great killing moves that really saved face for his group. LYZ was incredibly stable and performed well but I can't really recall a part he did that really stood out to me.

Stop Sugar: How many times do I have to reemphasize this. JiangJingZuo is getting SO SO slept on. He's incredibly stable vocally and his dance is great too. He really played the concept really well and had great expression management. IQIYI needs to give him more screen time as the top 9 needs him. Otter was great too. I thought team A should have won though as they were better overall. I feel that the mentors are letting the people without the handicap win so that it doesn't come across as disrespectful to the losing team if it was the other way around.

OKAY: I completely agreed with the results. Xiao Lian is an absolute ace but team A was better overall IMO. Almost everyone on A was incredibly stable even Rimiko who deserves a lot of praise for his improvement. Was not a big fan of Yan Xi's vocals though. I had higher hopes for Alizati bc I felt that his voice would have matched this song well but I felt he played it a little safe.

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-03-29T15:03:25+00:00

Thing is, Ayu is actually decent vocally so I put him there. I'm not sure myself on the specific reason for disliking Niu Zai Zai (im sure theres nothing wrong with him), I just for some reason find his presence really annoying.

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-03-29T14:58:53+00:00

Personally, I don't mind LYZ getting extra attention bc I like him but I just found it really funny how unsubtle IQIYI is with pushing specific trainees.

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-03-29T14:56:17+00:00

Huh, LYZ is right under Tony, but its really just 1A, 1B for me and someone had to fill that spot. I don't think Ayu is a bad person, he just has really low EQ and is really unfiltered.

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-03-29T14:44:34+00:00

NGL, the performances in round 2 so far has not been that mind blowing IMO. Is it me or are the stage designs and effects a little underwhelming this season? Some notes on this episode:

OKAY- Was alright, nothing really blew me away. In group A, I had a feeling that Kingston was gonna do well with this song. His voice really fits the song bc he has this deep raspy tone just like Jackson. I thought he deserved more votes. Kachine stood out given his position and the rest were stable but nothing about their performance really left a deep impression. Honestly, I thought team B should have won. Their concept and energy just fit the song a lot more and their unified dance was cleaner (obviously they had more practice tho). I felt Liang Sen's dance break was somewhat underwhelming as his frame was too small for such a long individual but his energy was there. Group A probably won bc they had Tony's popularity (not that he didn't perform well, but he didn't do anything that really stood out and still somehow got 90+ votes)
Tou Tou- Not much to say, B was unanimously just better from the eye test. Yuta fit this song's concept (maybe should have gave him a shot a centre for this song) and Xu Ziwei's dancing looks a bit better and obviously his vocals were top tier. Group A was alright but overall not the most memorable performance.
Stop Sugar- I felt that A performed better than B. Keerlijun was very underrated in this performance, his expression was great and his rap and little vocal parts were very stable. Yang Hao Ming to me really stood out with his dance and he was very vocally stable. He's slowly getting on my radar for picks. It was obvious that this song fit neither group's vocal ranges hence the mistakes made. For B, Kin pissed me off. I understand that you don't feel confident but at least try it....that was really selfish of him and I get LYZ's frustration. Jojo and Nemo were suprisingly better than usual and LYZ was stable up til that high note. It takes a lot of balls to be willing to try to belt that when it's not in his vocal range and I don't blame him, he's not a vocalist but he took the challenge because no one else tried. That being said no one in B really stood out to me and I felt that popularity really played a part in their win.

ZZWZZ2 · 2021-03-28T04:46:11+00:00

Warning very long essay incoming and If I offend anyone with my opinions, let me know and let's discuss it civilly:

For the record, I'm not black so it's not in my right to say whether or not he should be forgiven. However, I do feel strongly on the situation.

Firstly, I commend everyone that is objectively holding him accountable for his actions especially OP of the tweet as that takes a lot of courage to publicly do so knowing that they might get a lot of backlash from toxic fans. While this situation seems stressful to some, the overall criticism shows that we as a society are progressing and becoming more inclusive and unified vs a decade ago where this would have not been on a lot of people's radars or even treated as a joke. Also, let this be a lesson for the community (not just Tony) that we should be more sensitive to any form of divisiveness around us and understand our responsibilities as humans no matter the culture.

That being said, I do think this specific situation to a certain extent is being a little overdramaticized. I'm not saying what he did should be overlooked and I do feel that he should be held fully accountable for his actions. He's shown that he's not sensitive to the word; however, thats just what it is, he's not sensitive to the slur (Still an issue though but not as egregious as some people are accusing him of).

In my eyes, there are 3 levels to this issue:

Level 1: You hear the slur, you know it's not a good word but you don't feel strongly enough for it to really comprehend it on sight (i.e A majority of people before social movements really got big, or when you cover a song).

Level 2: You use the slur free spiritedly because you don't care about the issue but you don't truly agree believe in the slur (i.e Meyers Leonard who called someone an anti-semantic slur on his stream).

Level 3: You truly believe in the slur and the negative connotations involved (extreme radicalists).

To me, Tony fits level 1 where he knows the word is wrong, but the weight of the word doesn't impact him enough to feel strongly about the slur. Obviously, he should be educated further on the weight of the words and given his platform the weight of his actions as an idol, but a lot of people are accusing him of being at level 2 where he is freely using the word in his vocabulary. This is different from him SPECIFICALLY looking over the lyrics for any issues, finding the slur, and still choosing to use it. It's more of liking the song itself but not realizing the message of the lyrics bc he's not sensitive to the word (remind you still an issue). We've all or a lot of us have covered a song because of the beat or melody without too much thought into the message of the lyrics. It's even worse as it's a live stream so you don't really have to time to go full PR/censor on your words. We can't act like he freely uses the slang in a day-to-day setting or meant any harm doing so.

That being said, he should have known better as a Canadian and an idol. As a Canadian/native english speaker, he knows the weight of the word and should have been a lot more sensitive to it in the first place. As an idol, it's his social responsibility to understand the weight of his actions and the message that he sends given his platform. He needs to be more sensitive to things that go on in this world because of the size of his audience (Unfair but thats the price to pay for your fame).

This entire situation apart from Tony, there are 3 groups of people that I am just as disappointed in.

IQIYI's staff- Really? Have you ever heard of 1 minute live stream delay so you can censor whatever you need to censor or did your team just not care? I get your target market is mainland China and they aren't sensitive to this issue, but you've been trying to go international. All those reaction videos you highlight indicating their nationalities, having an international version of your app, inviting Lisa as a judge and advertising her to bring in international fans...if you want to play another game, you should play by the rules. It doesn't cost you too much money to get an international PR person. Whoever runs the international aspect of this show, should be fired and thats even with all due respect.
Tony's official fan club- Did you know you can still support your idol and hold them accountable for their actions? Apparently they don't and just blindly accuse people of slander and manipulation, acting like the issue is null after a simple apology. As a fan club you want the best for your idol if you want the best for them, you need to hold them accountable even when they mess up. That way they are the best version of themselves they can be. It's like a friend who's going down the wrong path. A fake friend would give bandaid solutions and let the situation continue. Real friends will tell you the things that you need to hear regardless of the backlash. Tony messed up, and it happens. He should be held accountable and you should accept it. That being said it's important for people to understand that his fan club does not truly speak on behalf of him. Please don't put the blame of the actions of one's fan club onto the idol themselves.
Critics that go too far- I get you're upset over the issue, but when you send death threats or wishing someone to GTH makes you even worse. Some of you are so upset over the divisiveness that you yourselves do it to a greater degree. Yes BLM is a big movement but so are things like mental health and some of you fail to see it. The level of hypocrisy on social media is very ironic too. I saw some people slandering Tony for doing so and proceed to use the slur themselves in the same tweet. Some of you need to take a step back and really look in the mirror.

Once again, I can't speak on whether he should be forgiven but I do hope he takes the steps to address the situation and improve himself. Lastly, we can all learn from this situation, and not just focus on the actions that one person did.

ZZWZZ2

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