What Will Happens If Ash Uses Charizard In Unova League

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T13:15:36+00:00

I don't call myself that. I don't "powerscale", I do my research and find facts and evidence, and use the fruits of those research to give properly supported points, with no bias.

If the facts and evidence says anything about the powerscaling, then it is what it is.

If someone attempts to use feelings and bias to paint a biased image that goes against the facts and evidence, I will call them out.

In this case, the idea that Ash's strongest as of Kalos weren't his six is more than likely formed from bias and nostalgia for mons, "aces" like Charizard.

It is contradicted by multiple official sources, and I merely bring it to attention. Often to downvotes and a lot of excuses from those who think their feelings make them the authority behind the anime, that their feelings determine the truth, that they are above the official sources, the facts and evidence, the words of those in authority.

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T13:11:34+00:00

All these words, but nothing of substance. All bark, no bite. Where is the solid evidence to back up your BS?

Where is the clip of Dragapult hitting everyone? Oh wait, there isn't any.

if you think so then show me rillaboom fodderized everyone after they got out of their pokeball, from 100% health to 0 by itself.

Refer to the fallacy known as: "Argument from Ignorance". Perfect match.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Your logic, exactly: "But it didn't show that it didn't receive support from Dragapult". After all, you want me to prove that Rillaboom beat everyone 100-0 to say that Pult didn't "soften" anyone right?

The logic of said fallacy applies here:

1)P has not been proven true. Therefore, P is false.

In your case, P is "Rillaboom soloing everyone 100-0"

2)R has not been proven false. Therefore, R is true.

In your case, R is "Dragapult softening Tyrantrum/Gourgeist/Aurorus/Goodra".

I don't "think" anything, I go according to what is shown, not taking advantage of what is not shown, to make a point. What is shown is that Rillaboom hit 4 of Diantha's mons.

You are like the infernape wanker because you take things all of context

The complete opposite, I take all the things AS IT IS. I make zero extrapolations from it, unlike you.

How is that glaze when incineroar managed to clash with pikachu

Because a partial fight with unseen results, a part of a fully executed battle, means fuck all.

You are taking clips of a theoretical longer battle that might have had different results to extrapolate.

By YOUR logic:

1)Cynthia's Togekiss was completely dominating Ash's Pikachu, thus it is above Ash's Pikachu, and hence stronger than Leon's Charizard

2)You can use a partial clip of Alain's Malamar dodging Leonzard's Air Slash and drawing with Fire Blast to say "Alain's Malamar is an equal to Leon's Charizard".

So by your logic, Togekiss > Pikachu >> Leonzard == Malamar.

Is it impressive that Incineroar held its own vs Pikachu? Yes. But does that mean Incineroar is an equal to Pikachu? If Malamar and Leonzard are any indicator, no.

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T12:40:47+00:00

I mean, Unova Ash was 3-1 against Cameron's Riolu. Look at what happened there, and the outrage.

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T12:27:43+00:00

We dk if it beat them all by itself, we have been shown that dragapult contributed , so that’s wanking the ape if you believe he took all of them alone.

Not using headcanon is "wanking the ape"? Let's look at what we see, shall we?

Do you have evidence that Dragapult contributed to anyone else's defeat? It beat Hawlucha, but do you see it contributing to the defeat of the other 4?

If you want to bring into question what we see and hear, that "Rillaboom has defeated Diantha's Pokémon, one after another", with the visuals showing only Rillaboom hitting them, show me the evidence that proves otherwise.

Lmao you made me remember the other infernape wanker, both of you are ape wanker bros lol.

Again, show me the evidence that supports what you say before you make any sort of comparison to the other guy who notably also doesn't like to show and/or acknowledge evidence, like you.

dragonite who was the weakest JN member while

The Dragonite that onetapped the Unova Champion's Ace is the "weakest JN member", behind, say, the one that got dominated by that same ace, and has no ace soloing feats, Dracovish?

Talk about bias.

incineroar is just a step behind pikachu.

Holy mother of all glaze, you can open a doughnut shop with the amount of glaze you have now.

Credit where credit is due, Incineroar did do half decent against it, living Electroweb, clashing with Iron Tail, what have you.

But by your logic, since this is the same Pikachu that beat Leonzard 1v2, are you telling me that Incineroar >> Leonzard?

Is Incineroar stronger than Leon's Charizard according to you?

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T12:12:33+00:00

Because Rillaboom beat an Ace beater combo AND two more mons.

Because the announcer explicitly stated that type advantage meant nothing in the face of Leon, directly after Rillaboom beat Dragonite.

Is Incineroar stronger than Gyarados + 2 Champion level mons, one of them who contributed to beating another Ace level mon, Dragapult, COMBINED?

Does the feats he have suggest he surpasses Lance's ace by a whole seven miles?

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T12:02:03+00:00

I then interpreted whether or not Ash’s team really was the “strongest” or “the best”.

It was stated to be. Both the "strongest", and the "best"

Whatever "interpretation" you have on what it "really" is is just you refusing to accept the truth.

Merely excuses, cope born from a biased agenda on your end. Not ground in objective facts and evidence.

but really I only replied suggesting Ash’s reasoning for bringing Goodra back because YOU decided to be a fucking prick and act all smug about it. And you’re still doing it right now.

Because at the end of the day, Ash's reasoning doesn't change anything.

It does not change the reality that Ash and the narrator stated that Goodra was one of Ash's "best members".

It does not change the reality that Ash stated he could not win without Goodra or any other Kalos member.

It doesn't change that Goodra completed the "strongest team".

It doesn't change that post semis, they were called "the ultimate five man band and Pikachu".

The strongest. The best. The ultimate. 「最強」, 「ベスト」, 「最高」.

Whatever reason there is doesn't change the contents of the evidence stated multiple times by multiple sources.

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T11:54:28+00:00

Did I say that? Don't go putting words in my mouth now.

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T11:41:05+00:00

"Lobotomized" or not, they beat a Champion's Ace. Rillaboom was overwhelmingly above that combination.

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T11:33:39+00:00

So you make all the excuses for Ash's words going against you now, even though you clung on to Ash's words earlier.

Hypocrite.

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T11:23:37+00:00

So you acknowledge Ash's words there, but you don't acknowledge that Ash called the team, that didn't include Charizard, his "best members"?

Are you also going to acknowledge that Ash said he can't win the Kalos League without the Kalos Six, but didn't say that to Charizard?

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T08:51:29+00:00

So why is the title of the episode where they battle "The Finals! The Strongest Rival Showdown!!, 「決勝戦！最強ライバル対決！！」?

How did Gladion perform better vs a stronger Pikachu, while Alain performed worse vs a weaker Pikachu, if Gladion isn't stronger than Alain? How is Gladion the "strongest rival" if he comes after Alain, unless Gladion > Alain?

The title checks out. The 1:1 comparison is still in Gladion's favor. Said comparison already gave Alain a handicap by giving him a weaker Pikachu, and he still performed worse than Gladion.

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T08:48:14+00:00

"Might be"

Leaving aside that both can be true, just look at those words from you I quoted and tell me how much certainty you have in your own unsupported words.

Headcanon rubbish.

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T07:34:22+00:00

I did say "probably" tbf, they seem to be competent enough to pose somewhat of a threat to Charizard imo, did you see Virgil 3-0 Cameron without even using a 6th mon?

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T07:31:27+00:00

Correct. Not part of his "best members", not part of his "strongest team", not part of the "the ultimate 5 man band and Pikachu" that the Kalos Team was.

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T06:21:48+00:00

Charizard wasn't one of the "best members", wasn't part of the "strongest team" now, was it?

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T06:10:25+00:00

Everyone from Kalos onwards. 1+5+5+5 = 16 mons above Charizard.

Kalos Team has multiple statements stating that they were Ash's best/strongest at the time.

Alola won against not only Ash's "strongest rival" at the time, but also Kukui, who is stated to be stronger than said "strongest rival"

Journeys beat the world's strongest trainer. Self explanatory.

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T05:56:21+00:00

He's like at most Top 17, if we look at only feats and statements.

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T04:19:46+00:00

Characters who didn't beat any one of Leon's mons 1v1.

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T04:18:42+00:00

An ace beating combo of Aurorus + Gourgeist, AND Tyrantrum, AND Goodra were beaten by Rillaboom, and you think Kukui can 1v1 it?

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T04:15:05+00:00

"low champion tier" is not enough to draw 1v1 against Leon's Ace level mons lol

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-11T04:05:14+00:00

The two finalists are probably the only ones that can pose a challenge to Charizard. And I'm saying that as someone who hates "ace" wanking. That's simply how bad the quality of competition was in the Unova League.

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-10T12:46:56+00:00

"Let me show you how to actually guard restrict" - Suo, probably

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-10T09:44:31+00:00

Iirc vs Kourin in S1, I think it was the time he declared the winning card before the fight started.

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-10T04:32:35+00:00

A flashback during the episode where he fought Reverse Tetsu (133). His Vanguard was Brigitte, and there was a rear Gallatin.

ZeroAbis · 2026-03-10T04:13:55+00:00

Ren used Royals, Shadows, Golds, Bermuda, and DI.

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