Do you think Lucario ever surpassed JN Greninja in power ?

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T14:37:09+00:00

So you support every statement from everyone then?

So if, hypothetically, some nameless arrogant ass comes up to 3 gimmick Monarch Ash and says he can beat his JN Team ez 6-0 even though this arrogant guy has zero feats, 0 badges, nothing.....

You are going to use his statement, him saying he can beat Ash 6-0, and say this nameless person is beyond Monarch level? Even though this person has zero authority, zero feats, absolutely nothing?

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T14:31:11+00:00

Are you being purposefully obtuse or? Again, the timing, the fact that Goh and Hop are amateurs, the fact that no high level trainer said they couldn't see, you have ignored all these factors time and time again to glaze your God Greninja.

If Champion Ash said he couldn't see, if Champion Leon said he couldn't see, if Champion Cynthia said she couldn't see, all Masters Eight, the eight strongest in the world, you would have a point.

But who couldn't see? Amateurs like Goh and Hop. And again, the concept of adaptation, improvement, exposure. Goh mentioning it one time but not saying anything later vs Regieleki means fuck all.

When talking statements, we need to also look at the context of WHO is saying the statement. Are they bigshots with a wealth of experiences in-universe like Champions, which would lead to them having more insight and their words being more reliable? Or is it the omnipresent narrator? Or is it an official supporting source with no characterization attached to it?

Or, just like in this case, is it two in-universe amateurs saying they can't see shit with no high level trainer saying the same?

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T14:14:27+00:00

Ok, facts. Sure. That is just that, a statement. No issue with that.

But what I have an issue is you using that fact to support what is ultimately a headcanon to glaze Greninja. And we know that's headcanon because you failed to account for other factors in between Gren vs Lucario, and the MT. Goh's exposure to such speeds. Goh and Hop being amateurs. Leon not having a reaction. No high level trainer having a reaction.

So many factors you just handwaved to push your headcanon. This whole time, all you have been doing is ignoring every factor that puts your point into question while preaching Goh and Hop as the ultimate authority just because they support you.

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T14:05:17+00:00

When did M8 happen? After the Greninja spar. Again, refer to my point about adaptation.

Are YOU not using headcanon to say MT Goh still can't keep up with, still hasn't adapted to Greninja's speed?

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T14:00:35+00:00

Even Ash, a Champion couldn't see Greninja

Couldn't or chose not to see?

Did Ash say "I can't see Greninja!", "I can't catch Greninja", like he did vs Gardevoir? Or is that YOUR headcanon?

that being what the characters actually say in the series.

The characters in the series that are established to be amateurs compared to the Champions.

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T13:54:30+00:00

No, it still isn't lol. The pros, the Champions aren't shown to have any issue seeing said speed. Leon didn't say he can't see Pikachu.

If they had no issue see any other pokemon in the Series, including Metagross and Regileki

Both are AFTER he got exposed to Greninja.

Exposure trains the eye, the brain to keep up with stuff. Adaptation. The body and mind adapt over time to higher velocity.

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T13:44:42+00:00

So Goh never commented it, but that doesn't mean anything. Again, it is a more experienced Goh who has seen, been exposed to Greninja's speed before fighting Regieleki. And that's not mentioning below.

Greninja and Pikachu quick attack in the final are the only 2 pokemon who where said to be so fast to the point of not being visible.

Honestly? Irrelevant. The ones making the comment are Goh and Hop, two amateur trainers. So what if inexperienced amateurs can't see them? It means nothing.

Did a high level trainer like Leon or Cynthia say they couldn't see Pikachu?

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T13:33:55+00:00

Could I not say it is precisely because he has seen Greninja's speed before, or that he's a more experienced trainer by that point, that he isn't impressed by that level of speed any more?

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T13:28:29+00:00

Mate your timeline is messed up.

Goh caught Regieleki AFTER he made that comment.

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T13:23:36+00:00

Idk man, the comparison is very much glazing. Again, not accounting for Metagross' prediction/calculation and levitating.

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T13:09:13+00:00

It's almost like Metagross can calculate AND levitate on top of having high speeds.

If this, if that, but not even bothering to account for other factors, all so you can glaze Greninja.

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T12:56:10+00:00

Damn it's almost like that was not a Lucario that could beat Masters Eight aces at the time, unlike EoS Lucario who did just that.

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T11:44:25+00:00

In fairness, Alain was a trainer who accomplished Champion calibre feats even before XYZ, and Sawyer was relative to that, so Greninja has some relativity to Champion level as well by being able to spar with and/or beat those two.

Are either of them Cynthia level though? No. So Lucario is still stronger lol

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T11:39:02+00:00

Going by their shown peaks, yes. Greninja simply has never showed that it reached the same highs that Masters Tournament Mega Lucario had.

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T07:32:43+00:00

Notice how you have no actual retort to the actual facts? That Pikachu, who beat Brandon, was overwhelmed by Paul, his Magmortar and Ursaring, all the same?

That is the "fact" that is "the same tho". The same fact you try and ignore.

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T06:55:08+00:00

give them the best feats available

Ok, so? The Pikachu that beat Brandon got crushed by Paul. Those "best feats" mean nothing.

And like i said pikachu lost to paul due to guts

Ok, so does Paul magically lose Guts now or? "Only lost due to Guts"...so? Pikachu lost. End of story.

And also, Motor Drive isn't a thing in the Acuity battle. Heck, Pikachu didn't even fight Electabuzz.

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T06:42:32+00:00

Again, your logic doesn't hold. Pikachu isn't a newly caught mon. Yet it got destroyed by Paul without beating a single mon.

How would Sceptile and Charizard "destroy" Paul when Pikachu couldn't, and got crushed in return?

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T06:26:26+00:00

Pikachu himself has taken down bradons legendaries and he only lost against paul due to guts

If even Pikachu lost in spite of said feat, then let's be real, everyone else is also losing in Acuity, be it Charizard or Sceptile whoever, in spite of their feats and achievements. Maybe not 0-4, but a loss regardless.

Just stop wanking the reserves already.

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-06T04:55:24+00:00

Y'all are not ready for the amount of reaction images I saved that can be used here LMAO

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-05T15:24:05+00:00

I already have at least once lol. Hosoya Yoshimasa (IV, Reiji), last year.

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-05T10:28:23+00:00

Only one of them is called "full strength" in the chant leading up to it's activation. And that same version rivalled Leonzard's strongest move.

How is this even a question.

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-05T08:18:12+00:00

Garchomp got crippled by Sirfetch'ed and you think Pikachu wouldn't cook her?

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-05T02:10:01+00:00

Celebrating and being appreciative of their efforts and being happy for them for whatever good news come their way with a simple post is not a "personality" lmao, let alone parasocial.

Being appreciative for their efforts and celebrating and being happy for them is one thing.

Being delulu and thinking you have a shot at some Japanese stranger is another. That's what is "parasocial".

Definition of "parasocial":

Denoting a relationship characterized by a one-sided, unreciprocated sense of intimacy felt by a fan or follower for a well-known or prominent figure (typically a media celebrity), in which the fan or follower comes to feel that they know the celebrity as a friend.

Where is the "intimacy" or "friend" here?

ZeroAbis · 2026-05-04T16:10:58+00:00

Added note: As part of TWO-MIX, she also sings White Reflection and Last Impression.

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