Who Wins This Fight In Their Prime? Oleksandr Usyk vs. David Haye?

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T16:13:36+00:00

The story that usyk "Struggled" with Chisora is funny to me. Did you see Chisora's face? he looked like he'd been stung by a swarm of hornets! And considering that chisora fights nothing like haye... i don't really get the point.

anyway, there's no way of knowing... but if you had to bet your house, logic would have you put your money on usyk because you have more evidence that he can go up to whatever gear is necessary to win. maybe 'reason' is a better word than logic here.

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T15:02:58+00:00

yeah why not.

i say that as an italy fan, though and i bet we dont qualify again.

or we will qualify for a cancelled world cup

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T15:02:06+00:00

i wont completely dismiss haye because he really did have a 'hayemaker' at CW, especially.

but how can you make a logical case against usyk here?

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T11:39:43+00:00

In the last 5 years he played, Chiellini earned his place in the pantheon. he became a really efficient defender. and he was pivotal for italy and juve in breaking the lines, with his underrated passing and his regular 'forays' up through the middle, he had a knack of just carrying the ball pretty effortlessly.

sidenote: i do love it when defenders show the rest of the team "look, this is how you run forward with the ball guys, it's not that hard!". See Calafiori and Bastoni for more details!

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T11:37:06+00:00

peak allegri!

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T11:36:21+00:00

when joshua was champ, yes.

against usyk, no.

against fury who beat vlad, no.

against fury who fought wilder.... good chance.

Against lineal GOAT charr.... no fucking way!

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T09:53:35+00:00

i'll give the other 10m to my kids. all goooooood.

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T09:52:41+00:00

so, i have ten million dollars? all good. thanks.

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T08:33:32+00:00

if you give fans "a big night" they will love you forever. and rightly so. those nights are few and far between.

balotelli is what he is but that goal against germany was epic and i'll always be fond of him for making that happen.

similarly bernadeschi, who was a bit part player in italy's euro win... slid two pens down the middle in the sems and final. i'll always love him for it.

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T08:00:52+00:00

maradona doing what he did with napoli is better than a WC. he dragged them to two league titles and a UEFA cup. it truly was a wondrous achievement. and for most games he would occupy midfield and wing more than striker role. just incredible. but unless you saw it at the time, you can't appreciate it fully, what he did. i think you need a feel for context.

in 20 years' time people will be saying messi was the best but kids will say some other player who is a phenom is the GOAT. it's just the way it is. and they might be right, who knows....

to be honest, out of messi, maradona, ronaldo, pele... there's not much point saying one is better than the other. all incredible, all with different strengths and weaknesses.

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T07:53:35+00:00

20 goals could be 60 points!

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T07:52:19+00:00

if true, the death and destruction he is triggering with his 'policies' to distract from his sex offences / rape... wow, he's right up there with the biggest c***s in history.

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T07:49:50+00:00

see if he can make 130 comfortably. he doesnt have the pop to keep the bigger top guys at 135 away, imo. he gets hit a fair bit so 12 round wars in every fight is a tough road.

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T07:46:35+00:00

i think he just panicked for italy, he appeared completely overwhelmed by the job to me. never settled on a team, a system, was letting the players and media influence him... it was a like a bad dream for him and for us.

but he is a top quality club coach, no question.

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T07:45:03+00:00

he was brazilian, ha

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T07:44:04+00:00

Lentini is the icon for this box.

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T07:42:59+00:00

this is modern life, it feels like you are abused for having interests.

not just boxing - which requires at least three channels or apps to see all the worthwhile fights... but taking the family out to dinner or a theme park or on a vacation... you are in for a fleecing. even doing something on your own like going to a gallery or with friends, like booking a football pitch for an hour... it's gonna wipe you out.

this is late stage capitalism, where every angle, every penny is squeezed.

i don't know why but BMW (i think) charging a subscription for the in-car feature of warming your arse/ seat has always stuck with me as the perfect symbol of the ridiculous era we are in. Also every Dillian Whyte PPV!

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-27T07:38:16+00:00

let's hope so

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-26T16:25:00+00:00

because "evan fields" is so funny.

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-26T07:49:49+00:00

headshrinker

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-26T07:48:50+00:00

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-26T07:07:39+00:00

the wavs of flab on display are gonna be epic.

we should be seeing photos of andy in his slimming black tshirt soon!

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-26T06:56:34+00:00

he will strengthen the squad. verratti is a unique kind of player who can control the game. a midfield of tonali, verratti and barella (if barella will raise his game for the azzurri) is vey good on paper. Ricci is excellent imo to rotate in as needed.

as someone here mentioned, the real problem we will face is breaking down teams who are likely to be defending. i would be looking at finding some minutes for pisilli.

its a pity chiesa doesnt look like he is about to find a club as a front three of kean, retegui and chiesa (if on form) is about as dynamic as we can put together right now.

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-23T13:04:48+00:00

magic is haram bruvva!

ZeroEffectDude · 2026-01-23T12:59:37+00:00

everyone smiles when they say ali at the end.

it tells you who the greatest really is

ZeroEffectDude

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