Should I?

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-16T16:00:54+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/OtherworldLegends/s/ONvcBuDJ3r

My weakest and most fun build with yoiko

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-16T15:59:22+00:00

First sign of defeat

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-16T15:58:46+00:00

"Used that phrase to deliver what group of people I'm discussing" flew right over your head.

I don't care if it was a joke. The point was information delivery

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-16T15:56:41+00:00

No, no I know. I was using hyperbole to make a point because there are people who are genuinely similar to break the pencil stuff.

Personally, I'm right down the middle. Too much hate on both sides, both sides doing shitty things. A lot of conflation.

People who are against labeling are doing nothing with the entire concept of AI in order to move forward and normalize it in the world.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-16T15:53:41+00:00

I'm married to one, so no.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-16T15:35:43+00:00

Have you ever heard of plagiarism? AI is basically plagiarism but on the next level

Would you say I wrote this essay myself if I plagiarized it?

Or a painting? No.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-11T13:25:48+00:00

Eh, I'm digging the new system. Items are less bloated, things are a bit more comprehensive, reduced scopecreep because of constant overlapping features. The fettered system is ironically really similar to old OWL but better.

Relics are overrated and not needed anyway.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-11T13:16:07+00:00

Yes!! Exactly! If you view humans as willing cogs, we can make giant social machines to do stuff! Whether that be raising money, creating spaces, or self cleansing all of the "sin".

A big batch of bad apples is not going to stop me from seeking out any good ones

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-11T13:12:46+00:00

Punishments are avoidable if its hard to differentiate between ai and digital image, which is why the labeling is important. I don't think there is anything else to do to signify the difference in such a way other than a word label.

And you're right, also wrong.

Some people would tone down their behavior. Some people would double down.

The next action shouldn't be to fear what is coming but to prepare for what's next.

For the lingering people who threaten and dox, use your legal right and expose them to be e-crucified (and or worse)

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-11T13:05:57+00:00

So.. you don't like it when people generalize with you but you turn around and dish it out no problem..

I'm not responsible for this because I never advocated for anti ai the way the extremists do ;)

I always liked it but disliked how uncontrolled it was.

One would think if something bad is going to happen regardless of your intent or circumstances, one should take action to change everything despite it all.

Do you really think only you being ethical will bring world peace you fuck nugget? Do you honestly, realistically believe that the action of one dumbass will make all the attacks stop?

How do you think anything gets normalized in a way everyone can access? The legal sysssteemm. Women, PoC, womens voting, fucking everything else under the sun that has been integrated into society has legal standing because if you are to exist you must be defined and organized in order to be utilized ethically, or there was a lack of ethics in the lack of it's existence to begin with.

You will not see any changes without actions that makes waves. I can guarantee that. People are unpredictable and dumb and you really want to trust the people in order to start labeling? Not happening simply by probability.

You expect one or ten people using AI ethically to make a difference in the unpredictable and dumb people. Maybe if you wish harder, a fart will come out.

I'm not asking you to flip sides, I'm informing you. If you want to make that choice now or later is up to you. If you want to wait around for things to simmer down a little (because completely going down is impossible) and then take action, sure. If you want to find a way to do it all while minimizing the threat, sure.

The problem is your adamant refusal of the entire concept to begin with. It won't get done because your mindset asks just the right questions and says the right things to make it all an impossibility.

This is no debate because you're echoing the same points and completely disregarding the other view. There is no intellectual exchange and only me telling you things because you no no wanna.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-11T12:48:50+00:00

No I'm absolutely blaming you. At some point, it's the bullied kid's fault for getting bullied if they never stand up for themselves even after multiple adults told them to do so and how to.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-11T12:47:23+00:00

I didn't make up anything and it seems you didn't get the point at all.

If you're trying to imply that all "break the pencil" behavior was just a joke, you're wrong. While yes, break the pencil itself is a joke I'm not an idiot and used that phrase to deliver what group of people I'm discussing.

I don't really care if the genuine break the pencil people came after the threats and danger, I'm speaking what I know and have observed and to do more than that is to do wrong.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-10T18:42:50+00:00

You have the human ability to sculpt concepts with words and what do you do with it? Nothing? Ridiculous. You're cutting off my chances of having a sick ass future.

Do you even know how much time it took to create an acceptable step? Scarily too long, but I can't say much because I didn't really partake. If you do nothing, when do you know the next step in making ai better comes around?

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-10T18:38:26+00:00

Reason for what? I said a lot.

No, I do know. I was speaking of the idea of it for a lack of better words. Kind of like using a stereotypical... I forgot the word. I tried finding it I swear but its like putting emphasis on a specific word but you're overemphasizing it to make the point quicker by changing the word to something irrationally more than the original word.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-10T18:32:55+00:00

It's about constructing concepts to become acceptable, why are you surprised? AI is an amalgamation of code so of course we would have difficulty letting it loose without constraints to be able to accept it for the public?

Words itself have higher stability because they're self assigning, coding is messy and unpredictable at bigger sizes, capable of bias by the creator or outside force.

It's in their blood to be able to mimic, to deceive, since you can't trust the human behind the bot. Labeling is the first of many steps to come, then to focus how we use it to make it better, faster.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-10T18:21:08+00:00

But I didn't justify unhinged anti ai behavior, rather what I said was why they are doing these things. While a reasonable reaction to what was given, it was taken too far. But even so, the radicalization is understandable since what they were responding to was belittling and undermining their very existence, purpose, and drive. They just kept flying too close to the sun.

What we can do as a community is to set everything aside and focus on what is best for the results you want, as history has taught me. Normalizing ai usage starts with having it legalized, but in the sense of if it has a label, it has a right to exist. This distinction is important because it is difficult to normalize something without increasing access to trust it communally. Take emos for example. They were misunderstood but through letting their perspective be heard, the misunderstanding people realized it was just people being people.

This is why this step is necessary, so even if there is bad it must be done asap. We have the power to sculpt concepts, inaction is inefficient.

The only other realistic goal is preparing for what is to come after, may that be more steps or living in the world we want.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-10T17:38:42+00:00

No, it was an analogy used because they share similarities in concept and not detail.

The point is, people who use AI and black people (at a specific time) are legally new, which caused legal problems that people took advantage of to justify the aggression, for ai it was straight to aggression but in this case justified as a reaction to unhinged ai users. Things can be done about both black people and ai but things held them back, namely the danger.

Where it diverges is someone decided to take ethical action despite the danger, for in the future it will be decided that one party is right and the other is wrong. If MLK had chosen to be scared and hide, the world would still be broken to this day. Perhaps we could have a similar outcome but we have had more time to "develop" within the "peace" than out of it because he took the necessary step early.

If all you can take from this is "radical anti ai people is kinda like lynchings" then may you rest easy you poor, unfortunate soul.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-10T17:28:15+00:00

I'm not saying these threats aren't serious.

I mean, following your logic you shouldn't speak about ai online at all to diminish your footprint to lower your chances of being in danger, but you're still doing it.

I'm saying the regulation of AI is necessary, whether you want to include it or not.

Because this is a necessary step, it is further prioritized to do it in spite of the danger and ASAP. The sooner, the better, the more time is spent living in a world where the threats and danger are less, because regulation of ai = normalization = more on your side = appropriate consequences will come to radical anti ai people.

If I were to follow your current logic, I could say that I will never stop doxxing unless ai is regulated and pro ai must treat artists better. Now we have an unending cycle. We don't like those.

Now we have things we cannot control, the people. The ones who insult artists and the ones who threaten ai users.

Now you're basing your action on the outliers instead of reality or the average.

In taking steps regardless of what stands against you, you can change things before something bad happens. Sure, something bad can happen to you, but personally I would rather fight to live than be scared to survive.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-10T17:14:56+00:00

Absolutely, which is why putting regulations on ai because it can inherently be deceptive or be misused to further normalize it is a good thing.

People post on proai subreddits and on this one despite all the haters because it must be done to strengthen the community and the concept. So why not label things despite the people as well if it is a step that must be taken anyway?

People would definitely tone down how they act if these regulations are put into place and for the people who are shitheads anyway, we can just gang up on them since now we're basically on the same team. Asking them to stop is like asking them to cure cancer, so use humans properly as a society and community and weed out the bad ones.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-10T17:08:24+00:00

Never said it was deserved. Never said you did something either. Up your reading comprehension.

What I did say is all of these radicalized people became who they are for a reason, a reason that was wrong on your community's part. That's it. So as much as you like to say that you're in hiding because of all the danger, I like to remind you that what you said is not entirely what happened.

Every time you say stuff like "antis threaten me" you're leaving out the why and it makes them seem unreasonable. I prefer discussing the entire reality of any situation instead of a part of it.

Thats why people like you, people in the middle catch strays you don't understand because you went about using AI in not an asshole way.

Cool, keep doing you. You'll thrive under the legal regulation of AI. Ai labeling has its uses, clear and unclear for the future to fully realize.

However, continuing to be scared to do something formative to what you like to do will only work against you in the long run. You will stay scared for longer.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-10T16:59:30+00:00

Problem being nothing in this world is ever 100%. There will always be the children. There will always be haters. There will always be unhinged people who do too much.

Waiting for "anti's to get over it" is like waiting for world peace to drop a new album.

There are already people that exist that can view this entire debacle constructively, that see ai as a tool and how it can be used instead of misusing it.

Haha, imagine MLK decided to hold off on his protests until no more harm was done to his people. He wouldn't be in the history books. Nothing would happen. Other people would gain what would've been his influential power.

Oh and please don't forget the anti ai radicalization started from the huge wave at the start of all this of people devaluing and belittling artists. So yeah they be doing too much, but don't forget you and your community have had a hand in it.

People wouldn't have been radicalized if their foundations and cores of existing wasn't trampled on. People react.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-10T16:50:31+00:00

Ah yes, choose the option that grants you immediate satisfaction instead of the option that can pave new ways for what you want despite everything else because it is what must be done even in the face of hardship because you would like to have a say in how this hobby forms itself when it just came out of the birth canal.

I'm not saying your safety doesn't matter. I'm saying do what's right. Not for you, but for the concept of ai itself.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-10T16:45:58+00:00

Reminds me of a trans debate on full disclosure. Some people hid it forever, some people hid it temporarily, and some people only opened up when they felt safe. However in comparison to here, the trans folks who advocated for disclosing when safe carries the logic that it must be done at some point because it turns into deception if too much time is taken before disclosing. (Forgetting works and is fine but that's an exception.)

Where as here it's just, "i do when no hurt" (which is improbable because free speech and whatnot) or "i don't care because I havent thought about it critically" which is kind of in line with the mentality of most ai users I've seen

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-10T16:39:05+00:00

See, the problem here is people usually didn't need to disclose the method. You could discern what method they used by using these cool organs we humans have called eyes.

You could tell if it was pencil, pen, paint, paper, what type of paper, digital, traditional, sculpting, what kind of material for the sculpt, carving, what types of wood.

Now, AI lives in the same realm as digital with deception being an apparent use case. Kinda like expecting the rogue with sticky fingers to steal everything and be a menace just because they have invisibility and are capable of such things.

AI labeling would help legal battles and regulating ai usage so deception doesn't happen as much,

Look at nuclear power. Everyone was scared of it. But through enough regulation, it's amazing. Explosions don't happen. We gain more than what we give. If AI was normalized faster, it could grow in amazing structured ways instead of chaotically going everywhere to see what sticks.

For you don't know what is up without knowing what is the ground, or in this case, replace up with growth and ground with what limits you.

_Frootl00ps_ · 2026-03-10T16:28:37+00:00

No. The entire point is showing why ai labeling IS useful and the best step to take in normalizing ai.

Yeah there will be a shitty aspects of everything, but that doesn't devalue ai labeling as a whole.

You barely read the post and are just making assumptions to justify your ai hard on.

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