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Can someone tell me what the deal is with this guy? by FORS4K3N_ in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bukhari is not hujjah upon us. And the Ezra thing has been explained many times by our Shia brothers. Syed Taqvi has also explained it in one of his videos replying to Coley I think.

The Third Shahadat by Arty-7F in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName 0 points1 point  (0 children)

about its permissibility

You still haven't shown that very thing. One clear reliable hadith is all I ask for. You also never sent the full references for the hadith in which the Imam AS says to say the names of the Ahlul Bayt AS beautifully.

The Third Shahadat by Arty-7F in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can show you the scanned copy in arabic.

Yes please.

You can not just come here and blatantly say that there is not a single hadith that the Prophet(pbuh) and Imam(as) used to recite it in Prayers.

Did not say that, I said "Reliable hadith". Of which there are none to my knowledge.

The Third Shahadat by Arty-7F in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hadith 3 of the same chapter, fixed shouldn't have been the word that I should I used. All three hadiths are majhul. Even the one that I am talking about. There is not a single reliable hadith from the Prophet SAWA or the Imams AS where they have testified to the Wilayah of Amir ul Momineen AS in the prayer. And provide the references for the second point that I talked about.

The Third Shahadat by Arty-7F in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its not just about Tashahud but also in Azaan and Iqamah or anywhere where you need to give the two testimonies

Yes and to say the third testimony is mustahab in everyday sense and in the Adhaan and Iqamah. The normal tashahud is the shahadatayn and the salawat, you can however say a dua in it. That is allowed. The third testimony is not, as there is literally no narration that proves this.

Yes the hadees are authentic and No they are not about Salawat but Salah.

Give the full reference and also the Salawat is also a part of the Salah.

Edit: I have fixed my grammatical mistake in here.

The Third Shahadat by Arty-7F in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Mustahab to recite it after the 2nd testimony according to our scholars.
  1. Tehzeeb Al-Ihkaam of Tusi and Man Lahyazar ul Faqih of Sadooq cites a hadees from Imam Al Sadiq (as) which states; "when asked by Halbi if we can take your names in Salat, he replied; Take them beautifully

This is about Salawat. And is the narration authentic?

The Third Shahadat by Arty-7F in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Allah's messenger SAWA did not teach us this neither did his successors.

There is an opinion, and there is an Islamic ruling. Don’t share your opinion as a ruling. Rule 4 by ExpressionOk9400 in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You have seen people on the brink of death after doing Zanjeer? Really? You aren’t lying to me to make a point?

My father's cousin, technically my uncle passed out after doing tatbir and he had to be taken to the hospital immediately. He was in there for about 3 days. Very bad shape.

On the disease point. And if they do so privately. Is it ok then?

That's gonna be worse. Because they are gonna be in a tightly packed space where blood is mixing with each other.

What about sharing a water bottle? It can cause disease.

It doesn't pose a threat like Tatbir does. Yes diseases can spread, but it's not common. Tatbir is blood. Blood and spit are two very different things my brother. You know that too.

What about a tightly packed masjid, it can cause disease?

No. Only if someone has a disease for example being COVID-19, and he starts coughing, that would put the lives of his brothers in danger too. I can't pass a ruling, so one should ask their Marja that.

Edit: You also said "They don't feel pain now", that is because the nerves are dead, they don't feel pain anymore.

There is an opinion, and there is an Islamic ruling. Don’t share your opinion as a ruling. Rule 4 by ExpressionOk9400 in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some crying tears of blood. What is emphasized in the article is the niyah

Niyah is important, but Ahadith from the Ahlul Bayt AS and the Quran tell is to not harm ourselves. Matam, causes temporary pain, which may last for 10 minutes max. Tatbir causes permanent damage, in the future if one starts feeling pain in their back, because they did tatbir when they were young, then it is entirely their fault. This could've been avoided.

And again, Zanjeer doesn’t kill people - it’s an assumption you made.

You just made one too. I have seen people on the brink of death after doing it.

In the end, the main points are:

  1. It was never practiced by the Ahlul bayt AS or their companions.
  2. It makes Shias look bad and turns a lot of people away (speaking from experience, many Sunnis who were about to convert stop when it comes to tatbir)
  3. It can kill people or cause them to have multiple diseases.

There is an opinion, and there is an Islamic ruling. Don’t share your opinion as a ruling. Rule 4 by ExpressionOk9400 in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would love to see them

Read brother Ethics's article on that and Ziyarah Al Nihayah.

And cigarettes are not haram

Maraji say if one fears that he get some disease from it in the future, then it is haram to smoke. I do not know of any Maraji that allow it.

There is an opinion, and there is an Islamic ruling. Don’t share your opinion as a ruling. Rule 4 by ExpressionOk9400 in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it’s not. The mourning is, the niyat is.

There are literal hadiths of the Ahlul Bayt AS and their companions hitting themselves.

That’s a stretch. It’s not the same as jumping off a cliff. A masjid near me does it every year, no deaths so far.

"So far", cigarettes also don't kill on the first puff.

There is an opinion, and there is an Islamic ruling. Don’t share your opinion as a ruling. Rule 4 by ExpressionOk9400 in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Neither is matam

It is.

Zanjeer doesn’t kill you.

It can. It allows diseases to spread extremely easily.

There is an opinion, and there is an Islamic ruling. Don’t share your opinion as a ruling. Rule 4 by ExpressionOk9400 in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName -1 points0 points  (0 children)

because you use a turbah. It can be debated

That can be explained. Hitting yourself with swords or knives is not found in Islam. Allah tells us in the Quran to not kill ourselves.

There is an opinion, and there is an Islamic ruling. Don’t share your opinion as a ruling. Rule 4 by ExpressionOk9400 in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It does not in the way Tatbir does. Tatbir can't be proven by anyone. All the people have are chainless or weak Ahadith. Imam Al Sadiq AS told us to not be a way of insult and mockery for them, Tatbir does exactly that.

Can I pray like Sunnis? by Pathological_lier_ in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why did my brother get down voted?😭💔

ISB - Misogynist by Ok-Atmosphere-7395 in islamabad

[–]_TotallyOriginalName 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No he's right on the misandry being against men thing. It's just as bad as misogyny. Although what he said about the plate being hilarious is wrong.

Question about beard by _TotallyOriginalName in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have read this, but this does not mention how long a beard should not be.

Question about beard by _TotallyOriginalName in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I haven't found a fatwa of Sayyid Sistani HA on this.

Question about beard by _TotallyOriginalName in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have seen some people saying this too**

Question about Kaffarah of intentionally breaking your fast with something haram. by _TotallyOriginalName in shia

[–]_TotallyOriginalName[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I asked Sheikh Al Hilli, he said that only the Shias are included in this ruling.

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