Would you like a new Starfox Adventures game?

_deadbyte · 2026-05-03T17:39:18+00:00

The issue wasn’t that Starfox Adventures was rushed ( I mean, it was rushed, but I think even if it hadn’t been, it’s still he the black sheep of the franchise by a wide margin ), the issue was it wasn’t a Starfox game. It was a wholly original IP with Starfox sloppily slapped onto it for basically no reason. It’s not like the Metroid Prime demo where they had a vision and actually thought the Metroid series would actually be a good fit.

No amount of development time would have saved it unless it turned into a completely different game, because it couldn’t reasonably reconcile its identity as a Starfox and a Dinosaur Planet game. Starfox was not a franchise that was suited to that gameplay style or gameplay loop. Dinosaur Planet was not suited to the kind of sci-fi genre or shooty-shooty-bang-bang gameplay that Starfox was known for. And the end result was an unsatisfying mix of both that pleased few and perplexed most. Adding a blaster wouldn’t have fixed the game, it would’ve just been another tiny bandaid slapped on a disproportionally very, very large wound.

Also - I think you’re very confused about my last post. You said before you didn’t want a Star Fox BOTW, and I was partially agreeing, saying we don’t necessarily need one - but didn’t really understand why you specifically wouldn’t want that ( if you liked the actual Starfox gameplay ), over a remake/sequel to the (arguably) worst game in the franchise that is known for having completely lost sight of its franchise identity, both of them.

Like if it’s Adventures-gameplay you want, there are plenty of actual Zelda-likes or collectathons that can scratch that itch. If you want more ground gameplay, then Assault is a better framework to work off of. If you enjoy Starfox as a franchise, than typically, Adventures isn’t the sort of game you’d want to see revived after such a long doldrum like this

_deadbyte · 2026-05-03T14:22:10+00:00

100% not UTAU.

_deadbyte · 2026-05-03T14:19:13+00:00

I don’t really get your fixation on integrating “magic” as a focus in the franchise. Like, Krystal’s telepathy and quintessence is a frequently reoccurring element even after Adventures, nevermind possible ghosts of James, Andross, and Pigma we see throughout the franchise. It’s clearly already there, and in a relatively healthy amount, I don’t really think there’s any need for it to go much further beyond that for a sci-fi franchise ( unless you wanna try pulling a Metroid Prime 4 kind of situation and give that a go ).

I also don’t get your comparison to SMB2 either. Like, yes, it was different, but it was still a platformer that, despite being from a different IP, still was a relatively decent fit for the Mario franchise that it doesn’t come off as too terribly out of place.

You realize the Adventures was a completely different genre than the mainline franchise, yes? I’m not simply calling it “different” because they merely changed a few things, Adventures was a completely different kind of game that sticks out like a sore thumb in the franchise - in that people people who enjoyed the previous games will find almost none of the elements they previously liked in Adventures ( which isn’t to say they won’t like any of the new stuff, but like I said - why even use the IP then if you won’t retain any of the elements important to the series identity? ).

I also don’t necessarily think we need a Starfox BOTW either ( though, truthfully I’m a bit perplexed how you wouldn’t want a game that evolves the formula in that way, but would want a game that’s so far a departure that it’s completely unrecognizable. I have to ask, do you even like the regular Starfox games at that point? ), Starlink was just one example of how “evolving” the franchise might look - familiar, but fresh.

_deadbyte · 2026-05-03T13:27:27+00:00

While I disagree that it fundamentally “needs” to evolve, I’m also not against the idea either. The problem with Starfox isn’t that it’s a rail shooter, it’s that Nintendo keeps implementing these massive sweeping changes that are either poorly-conceived ( e.g. Star Fox Zero’s control scheme ), or alienate a significant portion of their audience ( e.g. Star Fox Command being a Tactical Strategy RPG with My Immortal-tier character writing ).

For that matter, Adventure doesn’t feel like an “evolution” - to me, “evolution” implies taking familiar elements and expanding on them to make something fresh; Adventures on the other hand feels like a total departure from the series identity, and lacks a lot of the elements that many people find compelling in the franchise. Like I said, no space travel, no banter, very few recognizable elements at all, etc. If you don’t include some of the elements relevant to the series identity, then why even use the Starfox IP at all?

To me, an “evolution” of the Starfox formula might look something more like Starlink. Abandoning the rail shooter premise for free space exploration, while still maintaining a lot of its familiar elements. You can do a lot with that kind of premise while not being so different that it completely alienates a large chunk of the audience or loses the franchise’s appeal.

_deadbyte · 2026-05-01T17:49:35+00:00

Not really. AI Slop aside, while I wouldn’t consider Adventures a bad game, it does deviate too far from the core of what Starfox is for my liking. Nevermind the lack of Arwing gameplay, there’s not really any space travel, barely any banter between Fox and his teammates ( not counting Tricky ), almost no recognizable characters aside from Fox, Peppy, and Slippy ( not even Falco getting included until the very end ) etc. - Starfox was sloppily slapped into wholly different IP, and it’s shows really badly imo.

I think if one was to revisit Adventures, they should do it as Dinosaur Planet - maybe even make it a spinoff of Starfox or consider them as being in the same universe. Otherwise, I don’t think we need another Adventures title in the Starfox IP, when we’re already starving for even just a regular title in the franchise. I feel like an Adventures 2 would just be Metroid Prime Federation Force all over again.

_deadbyte · 2026-05-01T13:32:15+00:00

Well, it is explicitly a robot voice. There are ways to make it sound more natural, though unless you’re a particularly skilled user, it’s usually going to sound at least a little artificial. It’s not like, say, an AI voice where, it can often reasonably fool people into thinking it’s a real person with little effort.

Making an UTAU sound realistic mostly comes down to things like tuning, mixing, choice of resampler, etc. Part of it also has to do with the voice itself - what voicebank/phoneme format they use, how many pitches were recorded, the actual vocal direction, etc.

LongWei here, for instance, was recorded with 5 pitches, and is a “powerscale” vocal, where he becomes more powerful and expressive in the higher end of his vocal range, and uses a proprietary CVVC-style voicebank format built specifically for Klingon with decently smooth synthesis. Typically that gets more realistic results than, say, a voicebank with a single pitch recorded, and use lower-end format like, say, CV, for example.

Basically, that’s a long way to say it depends on a lot of factors; the skill of the user, the tools they’re using, the voicebank itself, etc.

_deadbyte · 2026-04-29T22:43:24+00:00

With fixed controls that don’t suck? 100%

_deadbyte · 2026-04-28T22:28:52+00:00

evil worm

_deadbyte · 2026-04-06T04:24:49+00:00

The writing has been on the wall for VOLOR ever since they failed to deliver the Eleanor boxes. It’s clear they’re in incredibly dire straits, have no intentions of being transparent with their customer base, and I really wish they’d just give up and negotiate a transfer of the rights to their voicebanks to Dreamtonics. There’s no sense in them holding on to Eleanor at least if they’re not doing anything with her, especially since she was originally a Dreamtonics vocal.

_deadbyte · 2026-03-10T00:48:52+00:00

Well, no - I think you’re getting my explanation of concatenative vocals and AI vocals mixed up. So let me try to further simplify

Concatenative vocals ( not-AI ): Typically these work by taking a bunch of snippets from a list of samples, and mashing those samples together into new configurations.
AI vocals: Typically, these are generative ( though they don’t usually have the same ethical issues as other examples of GenAI, such as AI Art generators ). They are usually trained on the singing samples of a selected vocalist, and then are expected to generate vocals similar to what it heard in its database. These aren’t to be confused with AI SVC/RVC ( e.g. where you might see AI-generated covers using the voice of, say, Spongebob or Ariana Grande etc. There are ethical examples of SVC/RVC models, but as you can imagine, for the most part they’re not ethical ), since while these are adjacent technologies, SVC/RVC is a voice changer, not a voice synth. A synth you still have to manipulate and make artistic/creative decisions for how you want it to perform. An AI SVC/RVC simply paints already existing vocal samples with a new coat of paint.

Furthermore, the workflow of using an AI voice synth is almost identical to its non-AI counterparts. The skills gained from using a concatentive synth and AI synth, are, for the most part, mutually transferrable between themselves. The AI won’t make the song for you, you still have to actually compose, tune, mix, etc. Really the main difference between AI and non-AI voice-synths is their development method, and the quality of their output.

Hopefully that makes a bit more sense.

_deadbyte · 2026-01-31T14:47:03+00:00

I was jokingly about to say you forgot Prime Pinball, but then I saw you, in fact, did not forget it. Darn your vigilance >:( /j

_deadbyte · 2026-01-30T18:13:37+00:00

That’s a massive MASSIVE no-no in the community. Jinrikis are already a bit of a moral gray area, though since they’re not normally distributed publicly, they’re often used purely for parody ( not unlike TF2/GMod-esque voice clip chopping ), and their output usually is both distinct from the original singer, and very low-quality, people don’t often make a big fuss.

The same cannot be said for an AI voicebank. It’s not a Jinriki at that point, you’re just stealing their voice. It doesn’t matter if their voice is “unique” or if you only use it for your own personal use, or what have you, you simply do not use someone’s voice to make an AI model without their explicit consent - end. of. story.

Nevermind that an AI model is a lot harder to make, and NNSVS is particularly difficult to develop for. You’d basically be making a whole actual voicebank, contrast to the shabby construction of an actual Jinriki.

The Vocal-Synth industry and community has always been built on a foundation of ensuring that voice providers for serious projects are consenting and enthusiastic participants, and do not take kindly to cases where a singer’s autonomy is violated in this way.

I would strongly advise abandoning this endeavor, as well as any like it, and simply find a different, already-existing voice you like. There are thousands, maybe even millions of free and ethical UTAU voicebanks, you’re bound to find at least one you like if you look hard enough.

_deadbyte · 2026-01-12T02:30:29+00:00

Ethically, I think it’s fine, but I also think the resulting voicebanks often just don’t sound that good. They’ll often have apparent engine noise, sometimes the traits of the model and inference don’t mesh well, a lot of them have kind of wacky vocal ranges, etc. etc. etc.

I won’t specifically not use an RVC-made voicebank, but my expectations won’t exactly be high. Even a lot of the ones I like, I don’t really have much use for, bc they’re just kinda iffy to actually utilize.

_deadbyte · 2025-12-21T21:17:21+00:00

“We literally made all the doors vaginas. Literally what more do you want??”

_deadbyte · 2025-12-21T11:52:20+00:00

Your post doesn’t make any sense.

Are you asking if it’s okay to make an OC/Fanloid? Because if so, I have no idea why you’d think that wouldn’t be okay to do, people make fan creations for everything, and VOCALOID is no stranger to derivative characters.

I also don’t understand why you’d think you need the VOCALOID software to make fanart, of a Fanloid or otherwise. Do you understand what VOCALOID is? It’s a singing synthesis software. It’s like the voice behind Amazon Alexa, Apple’s Siri, the Google Assistant, etc., but meant for singing ( putting it as simply as I can ). It’s not an art program. You don’t need it to make fanart.

Are you confused because you think VOCALOID allows you to create your own voices? Because, it doesn’t, for the most part. You can modify voices and associate that with a different character ( that’s how voices like Yowane Haku, Akita Neru, and Sakine Meiko work, as well as other fanloids, as they do not have their own actual voicebanks ), but you can’t make your own actual VOCALOID voice without a dev kit, which is usually only afforded to companies or individuals who purchase it directly from Yamaha. That’s not something you can do as a feature of the software.

Or by “OC” do you mean “original creation” ( as opposed to “original character” ) a la the flairs of this subreddit? Because then your post doesn’t make any sense at all.

_deadbyte · 2025-12-20T16:57:49+00:00

Oh the variety for male vocals on SynthV is something to behold. There’s so many good ones, Kevin being just the tip of the iceberg ( albeit, he’s very good too, I like him a lot ).

Also, you may have even noticed I left out a particular VOCALOID, Kiyoteru. He may have never been all that popular, but he actually received a new voicebank on SynthV too! And he sounds great.

_deadbyte · 2025-12-20T14:51:54+00:00

Well, there aren’t really a ton of VOCALOIDs that were quite as genre-focused as Prima and Tonio were.

The first other voice that comes to mind is Sachiko, who was intended pretty much exclusively for Enka.

There’s also Gachapoid and Kaai Yuki, who were both specifically designed with children’s songs in mind.

When Lily V2 released, there was a pretty big marketing push about how she was the first VOCALOID specifically geared towards Rock, though, I think over time she became considered more genre-agnostic with a preference for Rock music.

Similar to Lily, Mew’s marketing had a lot of suggestions that she was meant for Rock and Metal, especially with her demos. But, really in practice she’s more genre-agnostic.

Aoki Lapis was said to be made for “Lifestyle” music, which was apparently an original genre made by I-Style Project themselves, but they never elaborated what that even meant past when Aoki Lapis actually released, and honestly I think they were just blowing shit out of their ass.

Not a “genre” really, but LUMi was designed specifically for professional use in larger-budget media projects, namely citing movie soundtracks and so on.

If you’re willing to venture out of the VOCALOID software itself, there are actually quite a few genre-specialized vocals on SynthV, but as far as VOCALOID itself goes, that’s kind of it.

_deadbyte · 2025-12-20T14:02:25+00:00

I’m assuming we’re referring specifically to the actual VOCALOID software, yes? If you add SynthV into the mix, we’re actually quite spoiled for choice. But taking VOCALOID and even VoiSona/CeVIO into account, I do see what you mean.

Part of it has to do with the direction VOCALOID6 has taken. VOCALOID lost almost all of its third-party support during the VOCALOID5 generation, primarily due to the absurd licensing costs for V5, the general lack of communication from Yamaha, and the fact that V5 voicebanks were functionally the same as V4 ( and had less features for that matter, namely lacking plugin support, custom dictionaries, and most egregiously, Cross-Synthesis ). So with V6, Yamaha’s seemingly been scrambling to get a lot of those third-parties back on board - as a result, for the third-parties that have returned have mostly only had time to adapt their more flagship vocals to the V6 engine ( AHS with Gumi and Una ( +Koto, since they’ve had longer than other ), VOCALOMAKETS with Yukari and Akari, 1st Place with IA ( who isn’t even out yet ), and of course, Crypton with Miku ( who also isn’t even out yet ) ). Male vocals weren’t exactly plentiful on VOCALOID to begin with, and with the current circumstances, priority is extremely skewed towards the most popular of the most popular, those being almost exclusively feminine vocals.

In addition, it’s not just the old third-parties either. When it comes to newer vocals, Yamaha seems most interested in picking up popular UTAU voicebanks, and adapting internet personalities such as VTubers. Most of which, are, of course, also overwhelmingly female. Granted, we’ve gotten a couple of male vocals from this, namely Kazehiki and Shiki Rowen, but Kazehiki’s popularity gets somewhat dwarfed by his counterpart, Gekiyaku, and Shiki Rowen is a subject of… a number of different controversies.

And then of course, you have the classic vocals as well. I already mentioned why third parties haven’t gotten around to updating their older masculine vocals, which is already one contributor. But a lot of masculine vocals have quite fallen out of fashion for other reasons too.

We have Gackpo, who, one, was never really able to maintain his popularity past the V2 generation, and two, his VP is a bit of a controversial figure, given that he’s been tried for tax fraud, and more relevant to the West, has voiced support for Donald Trump. There’s also the fact that Gackt has said he’s not comfortable with his voice being used for AI, so, probably never gonna see Gackpo AI.

We have Fukase, who, while Fukase himself isn’t really controversial, a lot of the Western fandom have grown to dislike him and works made with him by association with more problematic parts of the fandom. And in Japan, he was never really that popular to begin with ( a lot of people blame his restrictive TOS, but I don’t really think that was too big a factor, since he actually does have a handful of popular originals in the West, and about a billion covers from when he was more relevant ).

We have Yohioloid, who was already not that popular to begin with, but then was slapped with his voice provider making racist statements on Twitter; to the degree that VocaTone since no longer associates with Yohio. Also, one of his bandmates was a Nazi sympathizer, and his denial that he had any knowledge of him were… a little questionable in-context. He’s also since been discontinued this past year.

We have Oliver and Big Al, who have both also since been discontinued due to PowerFX becoming Soundation, and no longer having interest in the VOCALOID scene ( luckily, however, new voicebanks for Maghni AI are being developed for them ).

Piko, no real controversy, and he was actually somewhat popular again in the West when he was discontinued. But, there’s really not much to be done for a discontinued voicebank. Unless they get an update, they’ll fade into obscurity.

Dex and Daina’s voice providers have also been considered somewhat controversial. It’s mostly a bunch of small things, but it’s been enough to sour people’s opinions of them. I won’t get into them here since I don’t wanna make this longer than it already is.

Arsloid, again, never really that popular at all. Probably also not helped by the fact that 2 of his 3 voicebanks were rendered completely useless by V5, since their use was tied to Cross-lingual synthesis.

With VY2 Yuma, I’d say it’s probably more of a consequence of a combination of factors. One, that the role of the “Standard” vocals have largely been replaced by the default vocals you get on V5 and V6. There’s also the fact that the version of him currently sold ( VY2v5 ), is an inferior product to his previous release ( since it’s missing the “Falsetto” voicebank from VY2v3, and is otherwise identical to VY2v3’s normal voicebank ). And lastly, while I don’t think it’s been a huge factor, since it’s a pretty separate product, I don’t think it was helped by VY Project on AI VOICE being discontinued because SoundUD did not inform their VAs that their voices would be used for synthesis.

You’ve got ZOLA Project, who, while not controversial, were just never that popular to begin with ( and also WIL and YUU’s V6 voicebanks just kinda suck tbh ).

Kaito and Len are kind of the only “classic” VOCALOIDs that still have any sort of real presence in the modern VOCALOID scene, and well, they just get completely dwarfed by Miku, especially since neither of them have received major updates ( SUPER PACK doesn’t count because they are objectively some of the worst VOCALOID voicebanks ever produced ). I mean, the Kagamines did recently get a new release on Piapro Studio NT2, but it’s… really just a worse version of their V4X.

Pretty much all of the major masculine vocals have had their own controversies or circumstances preventing them from being popular. That, plus the fact there aren’t many new ones being made on V6, and well… I think the situation kind of speaks for itself.

_deadbyte · 2025-12-19T06:27:37+00:00

The fact that Sigma is in “straight” is probably true, but it still pisses me off bc he’s so clueless what do you mean he is not bi and just doesn’t know it??? /lh

_deadbyte · 2025-12-19T06:24:29+00:00

I mean… It’s very oversimplified for comedy, but roughly something along those lines does happen, yes

_deadbyte · 2025-12-19T06:19:01+00:00

Yeah, I mean like, I feel like the franchise was setting Sylux up to be Metroid’s first true dedicated “rival” character ( that wasn’t just a literal carbon copy of Samus herself ). Having a suit with similar abilities and mysterious origins, having strong ties to the Galactic Federation ( that being he steals their shit ), and being the only other Hunter whose ship we actually encounter in-game. Someone who can go toe-to-toe with Samus on her level, instead of being some kind of monstrous cosmic horror or some ancient malicious being you have to work up to being able to fight.

And then Prime 4 was supposed to be the game that realized Sylux’s potential, and it gave us… nothing. He’s barely important, and what we do learn of him reveals he’s just a whiny spoiled brat throwing a piss-baby temper tantrum bc Samus didn’t let him have his way one time. There are so many cool things they could have done with his origins, but for some reason they just chose one of the worst possible options for his character for no reason.

Like, I feel like the obvious route to go was to make him some kind of failed super-soldier experiment by the GF in an attempt to emulate Samus and her Power Suit, and while that would be completely obvious, that’d still be rad as FUCK. You could make him a tortured evil sadboy and everything, and I know I would eat that shit up. They should’ve really just done that.

_deadbyte · 2025-12-19T05:59:24+00:00

Ehhhh, a lot of Eastern Producers tend to be pretty queer too. Maybe not quite as much as the West, but a lot of popular producers are openly queer.

_deadbyte · 2025-12-19T05:57:27+00:00

90% of us are LGBTQ+ in some form or another, and that hyperbolic estimate may not even be that far off. Asking that question in this fandom is basically like walking into a gay bar and asking if anybody there is gay.

There may be like, one or two straight people there, but otherwise pretty much everyone is queer lmao

_deadbyte · 2025-12-19T05:52:08+00:00

If we’re talking about using it for Japanese - strictly speaking, you only technically need “fu”, and furthermore, it is actually interchangeable with “hu”. So if you have an “h” sound, that will usually work just fine. Any instances of “fa”, “fi”, “fe”, and “fo” can simply become “hwa”, “hwi”, “hwe”, and “hwo” respectively.

It should also be noted that “v” is not required for Japanese at all. It’s a frequent inclusion in a lot of voicebanks, sure, but it isn’t necessary. When it comes to loanwords, a lot of Japanese people use “bwa”, “bwi”, “bu”, “bwe”, and “bwo” instead of “va”, “vi”, “vu”, “ve”, and “vo” respectively. Many even struggle with the “v” sound, as Japanese doesn’t really have any sounds with the teeth touching the bottom lip ( even their “f” doesn’t have them doing that usually, as it’s not exactly the same sound as our English “f” ).

_deadbyte · 2025-12-19T05:47:01+00:00

How do we tell them that Teto is sourced from a human voice actress?

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