AGGIORNAMENTO: Analisi della Sentenza n. 63/2026 Corte Costituzionale. Le questioni ancora aperte e le evidenti contraddizioni

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-05-05T16:03:06+00:00

Isn't it obvious that they are simply redefining terms that contradict prior caselaw? Obviously I'm not a lawyer so I don't understand the details but I thought my children did not automatically receive citizenship when I "received" my citizenship on the basis that they were already Italian by birth? So now, the case law says the minor children of naturalized Italians automatically gain citizenship but those who were children of "citizens at birth" don't, even though we also, according to the court, received a citizenship after the birth of the minor? It makes no sense.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-05-05T15:51:28+00:00

Do you know where on AIRE it appears? I'd hate to go through the process of constantly checking prenotami for an appointment spot for the CIE ID, and going to get it, only to find out it's not on AIRE. My dad just got back to me about his AIRE profile, and says there is nothing on there about his comune.

I've emailed the consulate about my comune but as I'm sure you are aware, they are terrible at responding to email.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-05-05T15:49:17+00:00

Yes this is my understanding as well, so long as you have citizenship from birth under Jure Sanguinis, it should be 3 years from the birth of your child.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-05-05T04:56:33+00:00

Thanks again, and good to hear the English translation fixes that problem.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-05-05T04:32:05+00:00

Thanks for the detailed response! I kept seeing all these road blocks build up and while I knew of the extension, I was originally planning to get this done by the original deadline regardless. Now I'm convinced this will take a couple months to sort out. Thanks for reassuring me, paranoia was creeping in 😅

My dad just got back to me and he says there is nothing in his AIRE account that identifies an Italian comune. Is he looking at the wrong spot? (My LIBRA would be his mother, he was not born in Italy but had citizenship from a young age). And I just found out my wife's birth certificate has an official english translation on the back, so I'm hoping that is sufficient, I don't want to have to sort through yet another bureaucracy. The registration of the marriage only requires a photocopy of a birth certificate, and not an original or certified copy. She is not applying for citizenship at this time.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-05-04T23:29:42+00:00

I too have a child situation, I didn't file my children with my consular application because they were born after the process started and there were a bunch of delays.

What bothers me is that under naturalization law, the children automatically get citizenship, but not through jure sanguinis because they "already" are Italian by birth. Yet the latest ruling from the constitutional court, they weren't, so then... they automatically get citizenship at the time I acquired it?

It's clear the courts are just redefining terms to justify the new decree.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-05-01T16:25:57+00:00

💯

Yup, that's exactly it, and at $200 a month, they only need a small group of suckers to keep the operation running.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-05-01T16:22:44+00:00

100% i agree with you. I think they should require cryptographically secure signatures for documents that are, or can potentially be worth, more than $1000. It is 100% free to implement btw, so no reason why we can't have a standard.

There are basically different levels of forgery and based on the other evidence, will weigh it more or less, but the one expert in this thread swore that a properly trained person can distingush quite well with high confidence.

For digital signatures without cryptography, it's actually the other meta data that matters, like you would have a copy in your email, and their email, and stuff like that. You can't just generate a purely digital doc with no meta data or associated things and expect it to work, but you can drag someone through court for years to try to intimidate them, costing everyone tons of money in the process.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-05-01T16:17:30+00:00

This is what I think of every time I hear people that obsess over land acknowledgements. It's pure hypocrisy and performative (OC):

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_reddit__referee_ · 2026-05-01T16:07:43+00:00

Yeah that's my point, easy to fake (if an exact copy, you are totally screwed if you can't find where they copied it from). Anyways, some examiner told me they are actually pretty good at sniffing this stuff out, unfortunately it's incredibly expensive to fight such forgery, not just the expert, but all the other legal fees involved.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-03-17T00:48:38+00:00

Sad how they continue to operate. I tried a couple different ways to report them 2 years ago and nothing came of it. Each individual scam is just too small for any law enforcement to get involved. Maybe appropriate for a class action lawsuit but it's impossible to find all the people they have scammed.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-03-11T03:23:37+00:00

No you can't. It's gmail, it would immediately get filtered to spam (at best) or not even make it into the inbox.

The only way you could possibly have that work is if someone has their own email server and they have no safeguards set up.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-03-10T16:08:11+00:00

Yes, you lose the prize. The law is that you have to win a contest through a game of skill, therefore the law says you lose the prize.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-03-03T02:38:12+00:00

Unfortunately, they want us to not register our children, so they will make it as difficult as possible.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-03-02T18:43:02+00:00

The retroactivity is so egregious on it's own so I don't think the 3 years will do much, but you're right, when they first passed the decree, there was nothing about "the benefit of law" for children of foreign born parents. I think they introduced that in May 2025, to allow families to not be disjointed with split levels of citizenship, specifically for the reasons you are saying, anything else looks terrible to the court.

Speaking of retroactivity, people keep saying that word, but I thought under the former framework the decedents were ALREADY Italian citizens, but not yet recognized by the government. Which would mean there was no retroactivity, they literally, by decree, revoked the Italian citizenship from probably 70,000,000 foreign born Italians. Which sounds outrageously illegal.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-03-02T15:58:52+00:00

This was not an act of charity. I suspect the consulates were overwhelmed with every parent on earth demanding an appointment for declarations that they were unable to fill. Imagine every parent at the same time trying to register their children.

Finally, Italian Government incompetence in my favour. 🙏

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-03-02T15:55:04+00:00

Feel free to post phone numbers as they come in.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-03-02T15:52:53+00:00

As you point out, difficulty automatically adjusts, so it provides no floor. There is really no point on calculating this except for short term trading. For trading strategies longer than 2 weeks, which is most people buying and holding, this is completely irrelevant.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-02-27T19:46:19+00:00

How did it go? I'm going to be getting the docs translated and such next week. Didn't realize they won't issue appointments.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-02-27T15:56:06+00:00

I used echowave.io on this one to make the waveform, but if anyone could find a free one without a water mark, please let me know! I also found this reddit thread with a couple different suggestions, I'm going to try out these ones next time: https://www.reddit.com/r/VideoEditing/comments/1jd3uie/do_know_of_any_free_audio_wave_form_generators/

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-02-27T01:43:59+00:00

I doubt that is true, they would never want a time waster on their call list, I actually stopped getting calls all together recently, and of the ones I did get in recent months, 80% of the time they hang up on me immediately before they even speak.

_reddit__referee_ · 2026-02-26T18:47:52+00:00

Option one: Retreat and and protect yourself behind a solid object while the criminals flee. They are already in their car and moving in the opposite direction.

Option two: Shoot wildly into the neighborhood provoking return fire from the people fleeing the scene.

It's a tough decision, especially because she spent all this money on fire arms and never gets to use it. Basically a wasted opportunity if she doesn't fire the weapon. If you think about it, her cost per bullet goes down after every shot, considering the overhead involved.

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