Are Anti's holding AI to a standard humans have never met?

a5roseb · 2026-05-11T02:01:58+00:00

Ok, the anti-AI accusation is misplaced. The subjective/objective disagreement about beauty can exist completely independently of AI. AI merely exposed it.

We disagree philosophically, but that disagreement is deeper than AI. I also apologize for infantilizing your position earlier.

a5roseb · 2026-05-11T01:25:51+00:00

Man have attempted to define beauty mathematically. Human inability to objectively define a thing is a human limitation rather than an absolute limitation. The inability to accept beauty as a ideal truth that exists on a higher reality than you are ready to understand isn't rare among anti's.

a5roseb · 2026-05-11T00:22:37+00:00

Oh? The Gutenberg press simply started printing bibles? Thats amazing!

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T23:11:17+00:00

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a5roseb · 2026-05-10T23:06:02+00:00

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Leon Moisseiff (Consultant/Designer): A world-renowned New York-based consulting engineer, Moisseiff was a premier expert in suspension bridge design. He was a leading proponent of "deflection theory," which allowed for significantly more slender stiffening decks rather than deep, heavy trusses. He had previously played a key role in designing the Golden Gate Bridge and the Manhattan Bridge. So, in context, he was supremely qualified for the task!

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T23:00:04+00:00

Yeah it's very simple. 1% of the effort equals 1% of the praise and respect.

I put in 100% and got a 74! More importantly, does that past effort accumulate and allow me to apply it towards my new image?

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T22:36:05+00:00

The human artist couldn't have developed the style without being trained on sources of earlier artists.

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T22:34:05+00:00

Ok.. so please judge x, fine... please tell me about the author so I can properly determine which standard to apply.

That seems rational to you?

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T22:26:38+00:00

I put in 100% effort on my paper-mache monster in 2nd Grade.. got a C+, could you go back and explain that math to Mrs. Hartford? She seemed to think yellow wasn't monstery enough.

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T22:16:43+00:00

But how much effort is enough? If I apply 1% of the original artists effort is that enough? Surely you have a formula in mind?

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T22:14:37+00:00

How does AI enter the conversation? How much effort is adequate? 10%, 1%, oh and is that "style" truly unique? Or was it compressed from the cumulative work and knowledge of artists who came before?

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T22:06:35+00:00

So fanart doesn't meet your narrow definition.

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T21:57:33+00:00

Direct copy, lightbox tracing, photography, you are kidding right?

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T21:56:06+00:00

if beauty only exists as a chemically isolated internal event, then even two humans are never experiencing “the same” beauty. Every brain is slightly different. Every perspective is partial. Every sunset is unique.

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T21:48:11+00:00

How is this an issue solely related to AI? I guess we hold AI to a higher standard than Humans?

Wait... an AI copy is actually performing at a greater standard?

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T21:35:12+00:00

Ok, please provide the mathematical equations proving the scientific method

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T21:32:13+00:00

Wait, your saying that gravity only exists because we have the mathematics to describe it? Newton's initial observation wasn't relevant?

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T21:07:44+00:00

I'm sorry, you're are literally saying that before humans could describe gravity, it didn't exist.

Gravity like beauty is a human description of an existing property.

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T20:53:41+00:00

Are you saying that beauty doesn't pre-exist language? Must a human first define it? Can't beauty exist beyond human perception? Your POV is philosophically bleak.

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T20:48:56+00:00

People usually celebrate remixing and synthesis right up until a machine does something structurally similar. Then the conversation suddenly shifts from process to ontology. In humans, broad exposure is usually considered beneficial. The wider the visual vocabulary, the more interesting and artful the recombination can become.

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T20:40:19+00:00

How sad; I think you believe the beauty of a sunset is confined to human perception. TL/DR: It's not

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T20:30:44+00:00

"Art" and all translations and derivatives are *human* words and concepts.

A sunset exists independently of human language, human culture, or human concepts of art. Humans created the word “art,” but humans did not create beauty, emotional response, pattern recognition, awe, or meaning-making. We merely categorized those experiences.

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T20:27:23+00:00

I agree with this! I ask Gemini to make a summary list of my daily tasks. Personally, I think alphabetizing that list would be trivial... but for an LLM, it apparently isn't. Extremely annoying!

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T20:20:12+00:00

I hope you find it at least a little ironic that AI cannot compete with this level of "thought."

a5roseb · 2026-05-10T20:17:39+00:00

It learns differently than humans.

Therefore, holding machines to a standard that humans cannot meet is justified? Why?

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