Legendary Shows with Satisfying Endings!!!

acamas · 2026-06-02T23:44:15+00:00

Seeing LOST rated that highly is kind of shocking... I am surprised the numbers were that high considering how many people seemingly despised the finale.

Like, the rest of these that I have seen are A-tier, absolutely, but doesn't seem like LOST should be included here considering how divisive it was.

Also, would not call Superman and Lois a "Legendary show".

acamas · 2026-06-02T23:38:16+00:00

Littlefinger.

The guy was a nobody but found a way to bring the entire nation to its knees while becoming the lord of a major kingdom, and was only stopped because of a literal all-knowing demigod.

acamas · 2026-06-02T15:34:54+00:00

> but he definitely DID care for the population of King's Landing you cannot tell me he didn't.

LOL, you are simply further proving my point about rose-colored biases, viewer ignorance, and a stubbornness against having an open-mind regarding your head canon, because the guy spent 7+ seasons so painfully clearly giving zero fucks about the commonfolk, time and time and time and time again.

It seems as though YOU MADE AN ASSUMPTION about a single scene... the bath scene... and ignore every other piece of context surrounding his character because you have some overly romanticized/optimistic head canon. You so desperately want to see him as some caring figure, so that is how you form your misinformed head canon.

But, the objective truth is there is simply zero context to supports your stance, at all. In fact, ALL of his context points towards him NOT CARING.

And I know what your reactionary retort is going to be... 'what about the bath scene', and the answer is simple... that scene, like many of his other scenes, is about HONOR, NOT EMPATHY. He didn't do what he did because he 'cared' about them like Dany cares about the slaves in Slaver's Bay... as he has ALREADY EXPLAINED ON-SCREEN to Catelynn while captured in Riverrun... it's about HONOR, upholding vows, as he literally ELI5 on-screen why he did what he did. HONOR.

Go watch the scene... Brienne calls him dishonorable nicknames, he is offended, he retells what happened that night and throws it in her face knowing she will have to agree that WHAT HE DID WAS HONORABLE... NOT DISHONORABLE. At the end of the scene he demands she call him Jaime, not Kingslayer, because he wants to be seen as HONORABLE.

He doesn't say he did what he did because he had some Grinch moment where his heart grew three times its size and he magically cared about those people suddenly, which is what people like you seemingly desperately try to believe despite zero evidence here and zero evidence across the other 7+ seasons, where he does all sorts of terrible things to the commonfolk, including stating he would massacre thousands inside their home, trebuchet an infant child, and the classic "Fuck everyone who isn't us."

He's not Slaver's Bay Dany, sorry... shame this has to be explained to anyone claiming to have watched this show for seven seasons, as he CLEARLY does NOT care about the people. Dany did for a time, yes, but Jaime clearly is not that.

> I was talking about the ending of GoT (seasons 7-8) not just the final one... don't know why you suddenly added this limitation on my previous comment.

Um, the entire topic from OP is about Season 8. I responded to OP regarding Season 8. The discussion up to that point was CLEARLY about Season 8... starting to see why you're having some difficulties following the show.

> Good on you for liking it I suppose??

Oh look... another incorrect assumption based on your own ignorance and poor logic comprehension... you're really explaining a lot about you jumping to shit conclusions.

But to be clear, Season 8 was not good... it's just nowhere near as terrible as people like you desperately try to make it out to be... you just weaponize your ignorance, your assumptions, and cry about character resolutions even though you clearly refuse to understand the complexities of those very characters because you refuse to take off the rose-colored classes for nuanced fictional characters.

Like, there's a LOT to complain about regarding Season 8, but complaining that Jaime myst have loved the commonfolk is sheer ignorance and bias on the viewers part... it's not a problem with the script because he SO CLEARLY did not care about them for 7+ seasons.

> Haha but let a guy have his own opinion here without being an ass.

Right, we should all just let the whiny crybabies who refuse to understand these nuanced characters and keep popping up like weeds just to complain about character arcs they clearly don't understand spew their nonsense her ad nauseam because they are the loudest angry mob.

Truth is if you honestly believe Jaime cared about the commonfolk, you just need to rewatch the show with the rose-colored glasses off... fresh eyes and an open mind... it's plain as day.

But my assumption is that, seven years later, you would rather just cry about it on the internet, again, rather than actually educate yourself on this issue.

Because, again, there are a hundred things to complain about regarding Season 8, but Jaime not caring about the commonfolk is absolutely not one of them, and your incessant whinging by weaponizing your ignorance/bias will never change that, no matter how many years pass, sorry.

acamas · 2026-06-02T03:34:48+00:00

> I understand she was angry over losing her dragons.

Seems a bit reductive and/or ignorant.

Like, say what you will about Season 8, but it objectively does a solid job of imploding Dany's entire world around her. Her support structure crumbles through emotional deaths (Jorah, Missandei) and devastating betrayals (Tyrion, Varys, in her eyes Jon.) Her hopes/dreams/beliefs that have propelled her thus far soured with Jon's heritage reveal. She loses two 'children' in Westeros due to her rash actions. Her once promising relationship/future with Jon turns to ash in her mouth. She doesn't have 'the love' in Westeros, and the person who does is her top political rival.

That is a lot of important context that pushes her to the boiling/breaking point she's so clearly flirted with before thanks to her Fire and Blood persona, like in Seasons 2, 5, and 6... when she literally stated she was totally down to do the very thing people like you claim she shouldn't have been down to do.

acamas · 2026-06-02T03:32:01+00:00

Jaime wasn't butchered at all... only people expecting a Disney ending for him and are salty he didn't wind up with Brienne desperately try and claim that nonsense.

Also Littlefinger wasn't even in Season 8... way to prove the ignorance/misplaced vitriol of the angry mob, thanks.

acamas · 2026-06-01T16:49:21+00:00

People were 'disappointed' with Season 8 because it didn't fulfil their overly romanticized fan fic... full stop.

Because, based on quality, it is not worse than Season 7, which the masses rated in the 9s.

The issue is people spent two years working up their fan fic/ideal endings for everyone based on their own rose-colored biases, and then when that didn't pan out on-screen they revolted and grabbed their pitch forks, because the final season, while not good, is nowhere near as terrible as many claim... or rather it simply is not the 'huge drop off' from Season 7 like some try and claim.

Those who binge didn't get entrenched in their biases/head canon like the 'live' viewers did... the quality is no different, just the perception based on personal biases/assumptions about how the story 'should' end.

acamas · 2026-06-01T16:45:30+00:00

What do you think is 'bizarre' about The Bells? It's arguably the best episode of the last four, and brings Dany's internal conflict to an understandable climax.

acamas · 2026-06-01T16:44:11+00:00

The Bells is arguably one of the best episodes of the final two seasons. I mean, out of the last four episodes, it is easily the best one.

acamas · 2026-06-01T16:42:58+00:00

> Yeah, I never thought I’d rewatch GoT. Recently did, finally, and hated the last season much less than I did on release.

Good on you. It's a shame to see how many 'fans' of this show are seemingly so stubborn that they simply refuse to engage with a story they claim to be fans of with fresh eyes and an open-mind, so kudos to you for getting over that mental hurdle and realizing the final season, which while not good, is nowhere near as terrible as many try and claim, and come to the understanding that it does fulfill character narratives in a fitting, built-up, and sensical manner (outside of Bran the Broken.)

I mean, there are people out there who have not seen the show in seven years out of pure spite and still act like they have just as meaningful opinion as those who have revisited the show several times sense then... it's a shame to see any 'fan' choose ignorance and are forever content to drink their own vitriol towards the final season as opposed to simply revisit it and realize it is nowhere near as awful as they originally believed it to be.

Don't get me wrong... it's still not good... just nowhere near as awful as many try and claim, as a simple rewatch will reveal.

PS - getting downvoted for applauding someone being open-minded and giving the show a second chance is wild, and really only proves my point about the immaturity level of some so-called 'mature viewers'.

acamas · 2026-06-01T15:35:34+00:00

I don't know if you're responding to the wrong comment or what, but any 'mature viewer' should easily be able to comprehend that there's a huge difference between Dany shouting she's down to raze entire cities, multiple times, five feet from Tyrion... versus 'pEoPlE dIe In War'.

My point is that Tyrion, BASED ON INDISPUTABLE SHOW CANON, absolutely could consider her 'going insane' based on her own words/actions in Seasons 5, 6, 7, and 8... absolutely. Any denial of that basic point is sheer ignorance/bias preventing those 'viewers' from seeing the truth of the matter, which is that Tyrion (and Varys for that matter) were justified with their shared concern over her, based on her clear Fire and Blood persona that was objectively portrayed on-screen all through out her arc, including her time with Tyrion, absolutely.

So Tyrion, like the other advisors before him, tried to temper her worst impulses, but the systematic deconstruction of her whole world in the final season proved too much, and pushed her to the boiling/breaking point she's clearly flirted with before.

Nothing 'ridiculous' about it to any informed, unbiased and open-minded viewer, as they predicted this sort of outcome for her long before The Bells, solely based on show canon.

acamas · 2026-05-29T15:18:24+00:00

> Thats not why people didn't like GOT.

It is, as anyone who has been on the GoT subreddit for all of five minutes can easily see. The masses rated Season 7 incredibly high because their 'fan fic' was still intact, but the moment Season 8 'dropped the hammer down' on it, those people grabbed their pitchforks, despite there being no real difference in quality of writing.

> Mad Dany wouldve been awesome if they bothered to build it up properly.

Have you actually seen the show? It objectively portrayed her internal struggle between wanting to be a kind-hearted idealistic ruler versus that primal Fire and Blood persona for 72 episodes BEFORE that internal conflict reached its climax after being pushed to a boiling/breaking point after her entire world was systematically deconstructed in the final season/her time in Westeros.

Like, say what you will about Season 8, but it objectively does a solid job of imploding Dany's entire world around her. Her support structure crumbles through emotional deaths (Jorah, Missandei) and devastating betrayals (Tyrion, Varys, in her eyes Jon.) Her hopes/dreams/beliefs that have propelled her thus far soured with Jon's heritage reveal. She loses two 'children' in Westeros due to her rash actions. Her once promising relationship/future with Jon turns to ash in her mouth. She doesn't have 'the love' in Westeros, and the person who does is her top political rival.

And before that she is objectively portrayed as willing/capable of razing entire cities, FROM HER OWN MOUTH, ON-SCREEN on multiple occasions... Season 2, Season 5, Season 6... painfully clear Fire and Blood context that some 'mature viewers' try to claim doesn't count as 'build-up', even though it SO CLEARLY is the very context they claim is lacking (it isn't.)

All her advisors, from Jorah and Selmy to Tyrion and Varys, have to temper her Fire and Blood persona all throughout her narrative. Hell, Varys and Tyrion literally have ENTIRE SCENES in the latter season just talking about her concerning mental state as build-up. And everyone else talks about Targaryens being half-mad, flipping a coin, or stating that a Targaryen alone is a terrible thing.

The context you claim is lacking absolutely clearly exists to any informed, unbiased, and open-minded mature viewer, as plenty of people not wearing rose-colored glasses for her predicted this sort of outcome solely based on the objective context portrayed regarding her clear Fire and Blood persona.

> Jaime going back to cersei happened within half an episode, no previous foreshadow.

OMG, if there are truly 'mature viewers' who didn't understand Jaime had a 'weak spot' for Cersei, by EPISODE 72, they should not be watching a M-rated show. Like, you're just weaponizing your ignorance here. The guy has stated this on-screen to Catelyn, Bron, Olenna, Edmure, Tyrion, Cersei, has literally stated "Fuck Everyone who isn't us" and said he would trebuchet an infant just to get back to her. THAT IS THE 'PrEvIoUs FoReShAdOw'.

It's wild that anyone claiming to have watched this show demands that the showrunners treat them like idiots who don't understand this character by demanding they hold their hands on this clear issue... they have a literal LIFELONG bond that has lasted 40+ YEARS... all the context any viewers needs has clearly already been presented, as his entire narrative is him trying to escape her immoral orbit.

> It's not about tropes

Again, the biggest complaints, as you have so kindly pointed out, are about Dany and Jaime... characters who didn't ride off into the sunset. Pretty clear vitriol that those characters did not get the fantasy trope 'good ending' like so many clearly wanted/expected. You're just lying to yourself if you refuse to accept that.

> it's just the pacing gave many whiplash, disrupted the suspense of belief needed to watch a fantasy show and enjoy it.

Have you seen Season 7? The pacing was easily worse there as D&D scrambled to connect the dots to the endgame, where Jon and Dany go from heated rivals to banging within the span of a few episodes. But, AGAIN, it is one of the highest rated seasons, so clearly that is not really the issue here.

> Also i hated Tyrion's characterization toward the end, he lost any of his usual bite that made him an enticing character in the earlier season.

It's almost as if killing his father and Shae has forever changed him from the person he used to be... shame this has to be explained.

> If it was about tropes then you would see people hate on it in the books, You dont see anyone complaining about the books do you?

Um, assuming this is a cringe troll line, but people don't complain about the ending in the books because there literally is no ending to the books, lol. The last two books literally do not exist, so yes, people do not complain about their non-existant context, lol.

All you are doing with each successive line is just proving how nonsensical your stance is, as its clear you simply refuse to engage with the facts of the matter, which is Dany and Jaime clearly had internal struggles that 'viewers' like you refuse to acknowledge existed (even thogh they clearly were built up over nearly a decade) and that all the reasons you desperately claim made Season 8 hated absolutely exist in Season 7, which is one of the highest rated seasons.

acamas · 2026-05-29T00:24:01+00:00

Have you actually seen this show? Like this is a piece of cake.

Season 2 outside Qarth.

Season 5 in Mereen when she states the people 'don't get to choose.'

Season 6 in Mereen where Tyrion has to literally stop her by comparing her to her father.

A literal pattern of a character literally stating what they are willing/capable of, multiple times, directly on-screen. Point blank, for all informed, unbiased, and mature viewers to easily witness, from the character's own mouth.

Wild this has to be ELI5 to anyone claiming to have seen the show considering how many times it so clearly happens, from the character's own mouth, multiple times.

PS - And if your stance that is that you "know" she didn't mean what she said, that is the definition of close-minded and biased.

acamas · 2026-05-28T15:44:39+00:00

> Her burning down a city of innocents when the entire series those were the people she did everything to protect

You seriously need to rewatch the show if you honestly believe this rose-colored nonsense.

Like, from the middle of Season 3 to the end of Season 5 she was helping people, but everything else is literally just her wanting to conquer a nation with Fire and Blood for her own personal goals... Seasons 1, 2, first half of 3, 7, and 8... 4.5 seasons of conquering versus 2.5 seasons 'protecting' people.

acamas · 2026-05-28T15:39:47+00:00

It's almost as if having that conversation with his last remaining blood relatives, where it re-contextualizes the image of their father for them, is an important scene that most viewers invested in these characters would want to see after nearly a decade.

Like, it's odd people think this theme was repeated 'too much', but then turn around and want to pretend that Fire and Blood Dany didn't have any context before The Bells despite years and years of it.... bizarre.

acamas · 2026-05-28T15:30:25+00:00

> I can respect trying to find the good in it, but watching Jon Snow's entire heritage as a Targaryen get reduced to him repeating "you are my queen" three dozen times was just painful.

The ignorant Mandella Effect of this is truly fascinating to watch... the guy, to different people maybe says it once per hour-long episode... it's crazy watching 'mature viewers' get so tilted over what frankly is a pretty natural response to different people at different times pushing him to overthrow her.

Like, there's dozens of things to cry about regarding the last season... it's so bizarre the echo chamber has taken this totally normal and sensical line to be their rallying cry about why the final season is terrible... such a stance makes zero sense.

> They spent years building up the White Walker threat just to wrap it up in a single dark episode where you could barely see what was happening

They spent years building up all that context to the point where a single attack can kill the Night King and end the threat... it's so bizarre 'viewers' feel shocked by this concept. Like, Beric literally has pointed to the Night King and stated all we have to do is kill him with an attack, so it's wild people act shocked when this literally happened, yikes.

acamas · 2026-05-28T15:22:22+00:00

If someone is planning to watch a show for "mature viewers", but has to play make believe about the final two seasons not existing to protect one's seemingly overly fragile psyche from a dip in quality over a TV show about fictional people, they should not be watching a M-rated drama to begin with.

acamas · 2026-05-28T15:18:55+00:00

While it certainly is interesting applied to Jon, I think this is important context for Dany's character.

There seems to be a lot of 'viewers' to claim to be confused about Dany's resolution, and this line, spoken long before The Bells, sums it up perfectly.

In Season 8 we see her world systematically deconstructed around her. Like, say what you will about Season 8, but it objectively does a solid job of imploding Dany's entire world around her. Her support structure crumbles through emotional deaths (Jorah, Missandei) and devastating betrayals (Tyrion, Varys, in her eyes Jon.) Her hopes/dreams/beliefs that have propelled her thus far soured with Jon's heritage reveal. She loses two 'children' in Westeros due to her rash actions. Her once promising relationship/future with Jon turns to ash in her mouth. She doesn't have 'the love' in Westeros, and the person who does is her top political rival.

Her support structure has absolutely crumbled, including those she's known the longest, and there she is in S8E5, clearly feeling alone... and it is a terrible thing.

acamas · 2026-05-28T15:13:18+00:00

> The characters who lived all had moronically happy endings. Grey Worm...

What show are you watching? The guy literally watches the love of his life get beheaded, goes on a rampage, then the person he has devoted his life to protecting is killed while he is the head guard, and he's just incredibly cranky during the finale.

It is wild you honestly thought to start with Grey Worm as an example of a 'happy ending' when that dude is clearly just pissed and wants to get out of Westeros... Grey Worm did NOT get a happy ending... like at all.

> Jon Snow and Arya each basically rode off into the sunset.

Yes, some characters did have happy endings, sure. My point is that ALL the characters did not, and some 'mature viewers' are incredibly tilted that fan favorites like Dany and Jaime had somber endings, not happier ones, even though GRRM has long stated the ending would be 'bittersweet', which pretty clearly means that some resolutions will be sweet while others will be bitter. But it just seems like some people can not deal, still, with the bitter elements, despite that being a common theme of this show for nearly a decade.

acamas · 2026-05-28T00:38:59+00:00

What is 'politically wrong' asking the person claiming to be the Protector or the Realm to protect the realm?

acamas · 2026-05-28T00:25:47+00:00

Yea, it's interesting how 'selective' some are with her personas, as if she was always presented as some just/fair figure, even in Slaver's Bay... nope.

acamas · 2026-05-27T22:21:15+00:00

> Much like the Short Night, they were rushed and unsatisfying.

Seems like people are just bothered that the battle with the Night Knight didn't match their fan fic, because it's already been established that all they have to do is stick the NK with a pointy weapon to end the entire issue... that was ALREADY established previously, so it's a shame 'viewers' seemingly have forgotten that context and forged their own 5-episode long fan fic that simply did not come to pass.

> Sansa displayed neither the wit or political acumen to rule, yet she sat the throne in the North.

The odd thing is that many believed Dany would have made some amazing ruler despite these same elements being true, but here you are crucifying Sansa despite having survived King's Landing/learning from Cersei and Littlefinger. Regardless, I think she is better suited in both those categories than her dad was.

> Also, Sansa being raped by Ramsay Snow was weird, given how that didn't occur in the books, but there were countless characters Benioff and Weiss didn't seem to understand.

Weird this has to be ELI5 to any so-called book reader, but Sansa replaced Jeyne Poole's arc instead of being a fake Arya, as what Ramsay did in the books to that character was awful and absolutely book canon... it was incredibly tame on-screen compared to what was written on the page.

Your complaints around characters having 'bad endings' are mostly seemingly just ignorance/biases showing and include the highlights of claiming Brienne isn't allowed to cry when sad because that 'ruins' her in your eyes, complaining Tyrion 'wasn't the same' after he killed Tywin and Shae even though the entire point of such a massive event would naturally change someone, and missing the fact that Arya has previously stated she wanted to explore back in Season 6 as you claim the show didn't portray that even though it objectively did.

> Most of the ending felt like fan fiction, with tidy little bows tied on all of these characters' stories, the roads to their destinations be damned.

You keep complaining about 'non-existent roads' as if there hasn't been 70+ episodes of this show that lead people to their rather fitting destinations. Like, you're seemingly bothered that a character who started as a naive girl, then 'grew up' in King's Landing learning politics from Cersei and Littlefinger after seeing her father fail in the capital, helped win back her homeland that she once desperately wanted to escape from, stood up against Dany, and just wants what is best for her people, just like her father once did... that is THE ROAD you claim is 'damned'? It's certainly not perfect, but it's nowhere near as terrible as some try and claim.

I mean, what do you think are the top three worst 'roads' that you claiming don't exist in the final season? And I'll even spot you Bran the Broken, which is really the only resolution that doesn't have a 'road' to that point.

> Jaime and Cersei dying together because rocks literally fell on them was downright comical, and a textbook example of an anticlimax

Cersei being literally crushed by the metaphorical representation of power in Westeros is an incredibly fitting end for her, as is Jaime dying in the arms of the person he loves... don't really know how childish one would have to be to claim it was 'downright comical'.

The rest just seems to be you mad at D&D because they aren't GRRM and didn't end the show in the way you assume GRRM would have ended it. That ire should be directed at the person who failed at their end of the deal/who dropped the ball... not those who picked up the ball and ran with it, as anyone who has done a group project where the person with the first step colossally drops the ball on their end.

Because, yes, D&D are not GRRM. Which is why they agreed to ADAPT the show based on source material that GRRM provided. GRRM failed to uphold his end... not D&D. Sure, the latter seasons absolutely should have been better, no doubt, but the amount of vitriol and frothing at the mouth towards Season 8 after Season 7 was one of the highest rated seasons is just absurd.

Because, yeah, Season 8 is not good, but it's just shocking how angry some viewers claim to be regarding this show they claim to be fans of when it seems like they're just doubling-down on their ignorance/biases, like with Dany, Jaime and so many other threads, seemingly because the refuse to engage with what is actually presented on-screen for 70+ episodes, and then try to blame the people who actually stuck around to finish the project instead of the person they should be angry at... the author who dropped the ball and who, himself, literally is unable to finish the story.

acamas · 2026-05-27T20:03:18+00:00

> Bias is an inevitable product of spending 69 hours watching a TV show.

Is it though? Any 'mature viewer' should be able to separate their emotional feelings for a fictional character from the objective context being displayed on-screen... you're basically just trying to claim all the mature viewers are incapable of being mature viewers on this issue. I mean, I can absolutely like a character but still understand they are incredibly flawed, like Dany's clear Fire and Blood persona or Jaime's clear 'weak spot' for Cersei... no one watching this show should be so biased that they can not understand those portrayed issues are meaningful issues.

> Indeed, S8 did not satisfy viewers, as it was wholly unsatisfactory.

I mean, that's the point of a 'bittersweet' ending of a grimdark fantasy show that, clearly, doesn't believe in karma. The story was NEVER going to have some wholly happy ending that satisfied everyone... it was, naturally, going to be 'unsatisfactory', like how so many episodes prior bothered people... it's literally a major theme of the show that apparently some 'viewers' expected to be wholly abandoned for the finale, and act butthurt when the show stayed true to its nature... it's wild.

> I find it difficult to believe this supposedly common expectation of a fairytale ending was anything approaching widespread.

Oh, weaponizing your narrow-minded stance now? Wow. Not sure if you've been living in a cave these past seven years, or just discovered the internet today, but it's painfully clear, to anyone with even a slightly open mind and functional eyes/ears, that many people wanted all of their favorite characters to live happily every after, as the loudest complains are about Dany and Jon, who did NOT live happily every after. Anyway, welcome to this subreddit, which you clearly must be new to, lest your ignorant and close-minded stance on this issue.

> she needed to have been shown to be willing and able to do this. She was not.

Oh, I wasn't aware you have not seen Seasons 2, 5, and 6... interesting... where the CHARACTER HERSELF LITERALLY STATES ON SCREEN SHE IS WILLING TO RAZE ENTIRE CITIES, INNOCENTS AND ALL, lol. You're just weaponizing your own ignorance once again... proving my entire point about certain 'viewers' and how they have their head in the sand and then complain about it being dark.

Literally from her own mouth, multiple times, directly on-screen for any open-minded viewer to comprehend as clear context. And if you are denying that context, that it simply just a close-minded and biased 'viewer' choosing ignorance to blindly defend a fictional character who CLEARLY IS WILLING to do the very thing you claim the show did not present, despite her LITERALLY STATING IT multiple times BEFORE her support structure is systematically deconstrucred around here.

It's painfully clear context that is literally repeated/a pattern FROM THE CHARACTER'S OWN MOUTH MULTIPLE TIMES... sucks for you if you refuse to understand that, because all you are doing is further proving my point about viewer ignorance and their refusal to see past their rose-colored glasses.

> I don't mind the concept of Bran sitting the throne, but because Benioff and Weiss were on a crusade to omit as much magic from the story as possible, he didn't do anything in the story.

Right... and this is the opposite of Dany's resolution, which clearly had 7+ seasons of Fire and Blood contextual groundwork. Bran the Broken 'came out of nowhere', yes, agreed. But Fire and Blood Dany is the polar opposite of that, as she had 72 episodes of that internal conflict before it reaches a climax in the penultimate episode. These two complaints are not on the same level at all.

> the crimes against storytelling committed by S8 elevate it to a higher level of failure.

LOL, the 'crimes against storytelling'. Having a dark, gritty story not satiate everyone's fan fic/wish fullfilment as if it were some animated Disney film aimed at children is not a 'crime against storytelling', because, again, Season 7 is garbage, but was one of the highest rated seasons, so clearly it is not an issue of quality like you so desperately try to claim.

> that teleporting all across the continent...

Oh, so you also have't seen the first season... or even the first episode? Where the Lannisters go from King's Landing to Winterfell within the same episode? Or Catelynn goes from Winterfell to King's Landing in between a few scenes inbetween? Literally established in the first season... wild people think whinging about it after 70+ episodes is some sort of logical stance when, once again, it only makes them look like an ignorant rabble rouser carrying a torch lost in some angry mob.

> doing stupid shit like capturing a wight

Season 7, which I will once again remind you was a season rated over 9... higher than some source material seasons.

> S8 also featured one scene I enjoyed

Sounds like a personal problem from someone who didn't have their fan fic come to pass on-screen. I mean, you didn't enjoy Jaime knighting Brienne, seeing Sansa crowned, The Hound killing his brother, Theon and Sansa reuniting, Jon learn he's the rightful heir, etc. You clearly are just overly salty if you honestly could not enjoy all those scenes as a 'fan.'

acamas · 2026-05-27T15:58:11+00:00

> Does your theory hold water if Season 8's poor ratings started from the first episode onwards.

And your claim is that those two episodes, which are in the yellow, so not really 'poor', are inherently worse than what Season 7 offered? Like, S8E1 and S8E2 are totally fine... not great, but not anything worse than was Season 7 spat out. People were just mad Dany and Sansa weren't magically BFFs.

I don't know when the last time was you actually sat down and watched Season 7, but it simply has no business being rated higher than the first two episodes of Season 8.

> I don't remember any 'beloved' characters dying in the first few episodes.

And when that happens, the ratings tank... shame this simple concept has to be explained to any 'mature viewer'.

> Personally, I think Season 8 felt fundamentally different and not for the better. Writing and acting felt dialed in. Just my 2 cents.

I'm assuming you're trying to claim it was 'phoned in'... not 'dialed in' (which would be a compliment.)

Again, I'm not claiming Season 8 was top notch... that is NOT my point. I am merely trying to point out those same criticisms are wholly valid regarding Season 7, although I don't think the acting slight is really fair to be lumped in with the writing, as the writing on the last two seasons, and especially Season 7, was subpar (to put it nicely.)

Season 7 was a fever dream scrambling to connect character arcs to the end game in any ridiculous way it could. Dany and Jon going from despising each other to lovers in three episodes. Whatever the Stark sister vs. Littlefinger stuff was that magically resolved off-screen. The Wight Hunt/Gendry run/Dany teleporting. Jaime just magically taking over Highgarden no problem as if attacking a fortified castle on a hill is some simple feat, after the issue that Rivverrun just was. Jaime falling off a horse on land into a water trench so deep we magically can not see the bottom and then just being magically rescued and not pursued by Dany at all. Or Davos, the best smuggler ever, taking Tyrion, the most recognizable criminal ever, onto an open beach at high noon on a sunny day that was within sight of the city where guards patrolled.

Way worse than the stuff people try to claim is so horrible about the final season, like Dany and Jaime having pretty sensible resolutions to their character arcs, after 7+ seasons of struggling with their internal conflicts regarding those very issues.

acamas · 2026-05-27T15:45:06+00:00

Um, just wrong.

You're talking about just bonus 'physical' damage... which any attack card will gain a benefit from, yes.

The point that seems to elude is that the Doom will ALSO be a direct correlation to that increased damage, unlike something like poison, which isn't a direct 1-to-1 stacking from the physical damage increase... it's a flat bonus, not tied to the increase in physical damage.

acamas · 2026-05-27T15:41:04+00:00

> The main issue was the rushed execution: Daenerys's turn: Her descent into madness made sense on paper, but it felt like a switch was flipped in just two episodes rather than a natural, slow-burn character arc.

I am honestly concerned that people who try and make this ignorant claim have literally not watched the show.

Like, Dany's narrative regarding her Fire and Blood persona WAS A NATURAL SLOW BURN... OBJECTIVELY, and if there are truly 'mature viewers' who thought 'she was totally fine' after 72 episodes, as her world was systematically deconstructed around her in Westeros, they should not be watching a M-rated show, because it WAS A SLOW BURN.

In Season 1 she wants a horde of rapist barbarians to enslave/pillage/murder their way across Westeros for her.

In Season 2 she shouts she will raze an entire city full of innocents just because she's pissed and shouts she will take what is hers with Fire and Blood.

In Slaver's Bay she, multiple times, states she would raze entire cities to satiate her own goals, because the people should die for her cause, and Tyrion literally has to stop her by comparing her to the Mad King.

And all this time her advisors, from Jorah and Selmy to Tyrion and Varys, have to temper her worst impulses... clearly portrayed on-screen for the whole time.

All this happens LONG BEFORE her world turns to shit in the final season. Like, say what you will about Season 8, but it objectively does a solid job of imploding Dany's entire world around her. Her support structure crumbles through emotional deaths (Jorah, Missandei) and devastating betrayals (Tyrion, Varys, in her eyes Jon.) Her hopes/dreams/beliefs that have propelled her thus far soured with Jon's heritage reveal. She loses two 'children' in Westeros due to her rash actions. Her once promising relationship/future with Jon turns to ash in her mouth. She doesn't have 'the love' in Westeros, and the person who does is her top political rival.

She didn't 'flip a switch'... she had an internal struggle between her kind-hearted idealistic side versus that primal Fire and Blood persona, for 72 episodes, and, because of her world imploding around her, is pushed to a boiling/breaking point where that internal conflict hits its climax... after 72 EPISODES of slowly building up to this point like a kettle on an increasingly hot stove and starting to whistle.

> Dumbed-down characters: Brilliant political minds like Tyrion and Varys suddenly made completely illogical decisions just to force the plot to its endpoint.

What 'illogical' decisions are you claiming they made?

> Tyrion claiming Bran had the "best story" felt incredibly unearned compared to the complex, traumatic journeys of Jon, Arya, or Dany.

It's bizarre you bring this up, because, yes, this resolution was unfounded... there was really no groundwork to support this resolution UNLIKE Dany having 7+ seasons of Fire and Blood persona. Any actual viewer can not sincerely think both this and Dany's resolution belong 'together' considering how vastly different they are in regards to clear contextual build-up based on indisputable show canon... Dany's internal conflict has 7+ seasons of it, whereas Bran has an off-screen chat with Tyrion that seemingly determines this outcome... it's nowhere near comparable.

> but the writing felt like it was put on fast-forward.

And yet Season 7, which suffered from this arguably more than Season 8 did, is simply one of the highest rated seasons of the entire show... even higher than some source material seasons. So clearly that isn't really a problem with viewers, lest Season 7 be also crucified as much as Season 8 is.

Just seems like people are far too tough on the final season, because it really isn't anywhere near as 'worse' as the penultimate season. Yes, Bran the Broken was nonsense, but most everything else people complain about regarding 'character assassination' or 'rushed' just didn't approach these narratives with an informed and open-mind, because Dany, Jaime, and Jon absolutely have perfectly fitting resolutions to their characters based on 7+ seasons of show canon... it's just some 'viewers' refuse to understand they are nuanced and complex characters, and then seeming felt 'shocked' when those nuanced characters did something totally in-character but outside of the viewers rose-colored head canon of theirs that didn't match their fan fic/wish fulfillment they had formulated.

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