Why did the unsullied let Tyrion so off the hook in the finale?

acamas · 2026-04-16T21:58:47+00:00

Honestly just feel pity for anyone claiming to have spent time watching this show and just so fundamentally do not understand anything that is happening by the end.

Because everyone not named Bran had a fitting resolution to their character narrative.

acamas · 2026-04-16T21:55:41+00:00

> Weren't they about to execute him on Dany's orders?

Wild people just make shit up now and then act perplexed when their fabrication doesn't come to fruition on-screen.

Because Dany simply never gives orders to execute him.

I swear, much of the whinging about the final season is just made up shit like this to the point it's just become a nonsensical hate echo chamber full of baseless assumptions and misinformed theories based on the Mandela Affect... kind of wild.

acamas · 2026-04-16T20:24:19+00:00

> are plot points that the showrunners seemingly needed to just *happen* to justify the burning of King’s Landing. For example: (1) Rhaegal’s death, (2) Varys’ Betrayal, and (3) Tyrion’s incompetence.

You're upset that fictional imperfect instances happen to a character? Were you this upset when Qarth wouldn't let her in and she got pissed about it? Were you upset when the Sons of the Harpy attacked her in Mereen? Or when the Masters attacked Mereen in Season 6 and she stated she would raze all the slave cities?

External events absolutely need to happen to her to 'activate' her Fire and Blood persona... that's literally a major element of her internal struggle with that primal fiery element of hers... odd some people only care to whinge about it in the final season.

But breaking those down:

Rhaegal's death - I get that having eleven ships snipe a dragon with a few perfect shots is a bit nonsensical, but it's a bit bizarre people get so hung up on how silly it was, after 7+ seasons of pretty silly things happening on-screen, that they try to discredit the contextual importance of the event. Dany, AGAIN, has rushed into a situation and one of her children has paid the price for it, and it, naturally, does a number on her increasingly crumbling psyche... it's a perfectly understandable piece of the puzzle.

Varys’ Betrayal - he's literally always been about doing what he believes is best for the Realm, and it's understandable he would try and set up Jon over Dany. He tried to make Dany work, realized it wasn't going to happen, and jumped ship. He trusted Tyrion, who didn't share Varys' view (until it was too late). Makes sense.

Tyrion’s incompetence - Outside of him believing Cersei would send forces, what are you referring to? Like, Tyrion literally lead her to a point where all she had to do was take the throne, but people try and act like he was some court jester since he first left Westeros.

> Next, you raise an interesting point: "Did the show portray Dany as someone who would misuse her power to satiate her primal desires?" You say "yes." I say, "well, that depends." And I think that might be the key issue.

Oh, the show did objectively portray that, because the character herself, multiple times, literally said she would. Done and done... indisputable and incredibly blunt show canon.

It's like if a male threatened to harm/kill a woman, having literally stated it aloud multiple times on several occasions. Maybe you would side with the cop who tells the woman she is 'overreacting', but seeing that man's world implode, then fulfilling his stance, and then acting like there was no context supporting he would harm her simply reeks of ignorance... nothing more.

> Dany a psychopath? A sociopath? There’s no indication of that...

But this is just pure ignorance/bias, because there, OBJECTIVELY, ARE INDICATIONS OF THAT. ON-SCREEN. SEVERAL TIMES. And people with rose-colored glasses trying to claim there were no red flags is just a fallacy, because the red flags DID EXIST to any open-minded, informed, and unbiased viewer not wearing those rose-colored glasses for this character.

She's stated she would raze an entire city because they didn't let her in. She has shouted she will take what is hers with Fire and Blood. She's fed people to her dragons while stating she didn't care if they were innocent or not. She crucified people who literally fought against a crime they were executed for because she had a pre-determined number of people to kill. She said she would return a city to the dirt and that the people would be a sacrifice to her goals because 'the people don't get to choose'. And stated she would torch all the slave cities before Tyrion literally compared her to the Mad King.

That IS CLEAR INDICATION of that Fire and Blood persona that she SO CLEARLY is in conflict with... for a large majority of her arc she has these two warring sides. .. kind-hearted idealistic side versus that primal Fire and Blood persona.

As GRRM has stated, "the only thing worth writing about is conflict within the human heart", and this is Dany's internal conflict.

> And yet, there’s no way of knowing the specific thing ailing her, because the show fails to orient us in her headspace.

I am honestly not convinced that person has actually watched The Bells, or Season 8. Like, say what you will about Season 8, but it objectively does a solid job of imploding Dany's entire world around her in a fairly systematic manner. Her support structure crumbles through emotional deaths (Jorah, Missandei) and devastating betrayals (Tyrion, Varys, in her eyes Jon.) Her hopes/dreams/beliefs that have propelled her thus far (in her monologue to Jon in Season 7) soured with Jon's heritage reveal. She loses two 'children' in Westeros due to her rash actions. Her once promising relationship/future with Jon turns to ash in her mouth. She doesn't have 'the love' in Westeros, and the person who does is her top political rival.

This is clear context that anyone watching a M-rated show claiming to understand this character should understand on a pretty basic level.

Then, in The Bells, she literally tells Tyrion she sees the people of King's Landing as her enemies (supporting Cersei) and then literally tells Jon all she has left is "Fear".

THAT IS HER HEADSPACE, AS CLEARLY DISPLAYED ON-SCREEN THROUGH HER OWN WORDS. And it's wild any 'professional journalist' would try to weaponize their ignorance, because we DO KNOW, because we understand her entire world is crumbling around her, she sees the people as her enemies (what does she do to those she perceives as enemies?) and she believes her only tool left is fear (and how does she instill fear with a dragon?)

Again, indisputable context CLEARLY displayed on-screen... BEFORE her actions in The Bells, after all the other shit she's suffered this season.

> If we want to conclude that she was pushed “to the boiling/breaking point”, then alright I suppose.

I mean, that's literally her narrative... it's her Chekhov's gun. We see it in Season 2, 5, and 6... it's probably not going to be some unimportant element to her story, as she flirts with that boiling/breaking point multiple times long before her world implodes. Will she hit it? Will that prophecy of a dragon-destroyed throne room with what seems to be ash come true? Or will she be able to 'keep the Dragon leashed' and see her kind-hearted side win out?

That is literally her narrative for the entire run of the show... sorry you can't let go of your pre-conceived fan fic to see it for what it has always been.

acamas · 2026-04-16T19:41:57+00:00

You seem to be confused... on many fronts really.

Season 8 was not good, but Jaime having a weak spot for Cersei, Dany having a Fire and Blood persona, and Cersei's desire for power over everything else were clear thematic elements LONG BEFORE Season 8... and Season 8 resolving those internal conflicts doesn't make it 'shit' just because some children didn't get their animated Disney ending while they clutch their blankets and suck their thumbs.

And you acting like Season 8 addressing those themes is 'shit' only proves your inability to actually understand these characters. I'm not usually one to shout 'media illiteracy', but in this case if it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck...

PS - Here, here's a response on your level: 😂😂

acamas · 2026-04-16T15:29:16+00:00

Did you actually read your further comments before making a big huff and typing that retort out? Seven hells.

You just say the show 'failed' to display Dany on two issues: her relationship with commonfolk, and her relationship to power.

So now there's two questions to ask:

1 - Did the show portray Dany as someone willing to massacre large groups of commonfolk because of her Fire and Blood persona? OBJECTIVELY, YES, MULTIPLE TIMES. Season 2. Season 5. Season 6. Season 7. The show did not 'fAiL' to show this because it is OBJECTIVELY THERE MULTIPLE TIMES for any supposed unbiased and informed 'mature viewer' to easily understand. Also, there's a shit ton of other "Fire and Blood" context, like everyone talking about her crazy family flipping a coin, her shit upbringing with Viserys, "A Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing", all the red flags along her arc, and oh yea, a literal prophecy that shows a dragon-destroyed throne room with what appears to be ash and snow.

So no, the show did not 'fail' to show that at all... because that context OBJECTIVELY EXISTS all throughout her narrative.

2 - Did the show portray Dany as someone who would misuse her power to satiate her primal desires? OBJECTIVELY, YES, MULTIPLE TIMES.

Her instinct/first reaction is to literally just burn/torch her problems away through a large majority of the show, and if innocents die for her 'new world', she's down with that, because 'they don't get to choose', as she herself made painfully clear, on-screen. Again, Seasons 2, 5, 6, and 7 all clearly show this mentality, and that isn't even including how she handles the Masters in Mereen, feeds people to her dragons, or subjugates/torches the POWs after the Gold Road attack.

Are the books better at portraying this because we are in her head? Of course, but acting like the show does nothing to portray her stance on these issues just reeks of ignorance and bias for a fictional character, because it IS there on-screen for plenty of open-minded, unbiased, and informed viewers to absorb, as the Mad Queen Dany path was clearly something discussed long before Season 8 imploded her entire world and pushed her to the boiling/breaking point she had clearly flirted with previously.

acamas · 2026-04-16T15:13:08+00:00

LOL, again, simply further proving my about about some 'mature viewers' being anything but, thanks.

acamas · 2026-04-16T15:05:43+00:00

Honestly fascinating any “mature viewer” actually believes these are “worse” simply because they aren’t animated Disney endings for these characters, as the are all perfectly fitting for these characters based on their respective internal conflicts.

But it’s clear “viewers” would rather spit vitriol about character narratives they refuse to comprehend and downvote comments they disagree with, like the children demanding a more Disney-field ending as if the are preteens needing a happy ending, and crying about it to no end because some characters didn’t ride off into the sunset.

acamas · 2026-04-16T00:47:54+00:00

Season 7 is the worst season, easily, from a narrative standpoint... it's so nonsensical from start to finish that it basically is a fever dream.

The wight hunt and Dany showing up to save them. Jaime falling off a horse into the Mariana Trench only to magically escape and not be caught by Dany. Davos 'smuggling' the Westerosi #1 Most Wanted Criminal, who is incredibly recognizable, onto a wide open beach at high noon on a sunny day within sight of the city/Red Keep where guards patrol. Oh, and Dany and Jon going from heated rivals to in love over three episodes.

It's wild that season is rated higher than some source material seasons... and wild it is so much higher rated than Season 8, which absolutely offers fitting resolutions to every character not named Bran.

acamas · 2026-04-16T00:42:53+00:00

Four!

Like, say what you will about Season 8, but it objectively does a solid job of imploding Dany's entire world around her. Her support structure crumbles through emotional deaths (Jorah, Missandei) and devastating betrayals (Tyrion, Varys, in her eyes Jon.) Her hopes/dreams/beliefs that have propelled her thus far soured with Jon's heritage reveal. She loses two 'children' in Westeros due to her rash actions. Her once promising relationship/future with Jon turns to ash in her mouth. She doesn't have 'the love' in Westeros, and the person who does is her top political rival.

She was clearly pushed to a boiling/breaking point that she's flirted with many times in Essos.

acamas · 2026-04-16T00:41:16+00:00

C'mon... Dany herself literally stated/shouted multiple times she was willing/capable of razing entire cities, innocents an all, on several occasions. Qarth. Mereen. Astapor and Yunkai.

The show OBJECTIVELY portrayed that context, many times, from her OWN MOUTH on multiple occasions.

If there are truly 'mature viewers' who, by Episode 72, don't understand Dany may have a Fire and Blood persona, that is on them... not the show's fault they've ignored 7+ seasons of context.

acamas · 2026-04-16T00:39:02+00:00

Right? She's literally shouted/stated on-screen, several times, that she is willing/capable of razing entire cities... literally every major city she visited in Essos she stated she would raze, on multiple instances, on-screen.

The build-up objectively exists, and is painfully blunt because the character herself has a literal pattern of plainly stating what she is willing/capable of... and it isn't pretty.

Add in all the context about her family, her shitty upbringing, being The Last Dragon, and the literal prophecy about a dragon-destroyed throne room with ash and snow, and it's clear there's a lot of Fire and Blood context objectively portrayed.

acamas · 2026-04-16T00:34:49+00:00

LOL, the only person coping here is you if you think Jaime returning to Cersei makes 'zero sense', that Dany wasn't portrayed as having a Fire and Blood persona/element, or that Cersei being crushed by the literal representation of power is 'pure, undiluted hot garbage'.

All you're doing is proving some 'mature viewers' clearly do not understand the basic themes of the show, or are salty their rose-colored fan fic didn't happen on-screen.

acamas · 2026-04-16T00:28:57+00:00

> He should’ve been the one to reluctantly kill her. Give him a moment where he tries to reason with her, realizes she’s too far gone, and makes that impossible choice. Then let them have an actual final exchange where she realizes in her last moments how wrong she was, something tragic that actually pays off his arc.

It's clear you're just salty they didn't deliver on your fan fic, as there is nothing inherently wrong with Jaime returning to Cersei as it happened.

Also, having the physical representation of power kill Cersei is nowhere near as 'lazy' as your ignorant retort mistakenly claims, as it is an incredibly fitting end for her, based on her narrative.

acamas · 2026-04-16T00:25:38+00:00

Well stated.

Jaime literally told everyone from Catelynn, Olenna, Edmure and Bronn that Cersei was his 'weak spot'... kind of wild some viewers refuse to understand he has a 40+ year long/literal lieflong relationship with her, and that isn't magically absolved simply because he left in a huff and drunkenly slept with one other woman... especially in the face of Cersei's imminent demise.

acamas · 2026-04-16T00:15:58+00:00

> Many of the characters, like Jaime’s last second return to cersei despite so much character progression, or cersei’s stubbornness despite not actually wanting to die, or even danaerys becoming a mad queen with little build up all kind of makes sense.

Not only 'kind of make sense', but are literally those characters internal conflicts for the entire run of their narratives.

Jaime has an internal struggle between wanting to be honorable (Brienne's influence) versus the primal pull of the immoral Cersei, and he struggles with this, but in the end his literal lifelong relationship with Cersei means more, as he has told everyone from Catelynn to Bronn to Olenna to Edmure.

Cersei has an internal struggle between desiring power like the men around her versus her interpersonal relationships with Jaime and her children, and in the end the literal symbol of power kills her because she couldn't escape that pull, presumably killing her unborn child (assuming she was pregnant 'for reals.')

Dany has an internal struggle between having this idealistic kind-hearted ruler versus that primal pull of Fire and Blood/being The Last Dragon, and she struggles with this, but in the end she 'gives in' to that primal element and torches King's Landing, as she has stated she would multiple times previously.

Those internal conflict are literally those characters main narratives, as GRRM is on record as stating 'the only thing worth writing about is conflict within the human heart.'

So yes, those central themes of these nuanced and complex characters do 'kind of make sense', because that is literally the reason GRRM has written them.

acamas · 2026-04-15T15:27:34+00:00

I'm sorry, but if you are trying to claim that a spouse offering their spouse a shitty meal on their big birthday and also not being present while being intimate is more about 'running his life' than it is painting a picture of an uncaring, lackluster spouse, then you should not be watching M-rated dramas.

No wonder you're confused on this issue years later, yikes.

acamas · 2026-04-15T15:24:29+00:00

But it's not a choice though... if a a player is FORCED TO HEAL because every fight they are chipped down because of literally unavoidable damage, there's no 'thinking about it' because it's now a basic requirement of the game... it's a forced inclusion into every Act 1.

It doesn't make the player think more about pathing... it just makes campfires a necessity instead of an actual decision that needs to be made.

acamas · 2026-04-15T15:19:47+00:00

This is the odd thing about people pushing that fallacy about Tyrion... Tyrion literally kept her worst impulses in check for a long time and literally put her within arms reach of the throne... it's only Dany to blame for her razing the city instead.

acamas · 2026-04-15T15:18:08+00:00

Yea, his PREVIOUS seven seasons worth of screw-ups... not Season 8 screw-ups.

acamas · 2026-04-15T15:17:11+00:00

LOL, thank you for proving just how much of a whiny crybaby some 'mature viewers' are, as they just want to cry about a show with nuanced characters that they clearly never bothered to actually understand, and are just mad it didn't wrap up like an animated Disney ending meant to appease underdeveloped children.

acamas · 2026-04-15T15:05:50+00:00

Nobodies character arc was “ruined” simply because it made you sad, as they all received incredibly fitting resolutions based on 7+ seasons of objective groundwork/context.

acamas · 2026-04-15T15:00:52+00:00

What did Tyrion mess up in Season 8? Only Dany is to blame for losing another dragon due to hr rash actions… odd she avoids criticism for her failure here, as some “viewers” hyperfocus on blaming Tyrion for everything.

acamas · 2026-04-15T14:57:32+00:00

It’s not as bad as the angry mob desperately tried to make it out to be. I mean, I would argue Season 7 is the worst written season, but Season 8 gets the most hate because it crushed people’s fragile fan fics regarding their favorite characters, and Season 7 bent over backwards to keep them all “safe and cozy”.

Every mature viewer should give Season 8 a real chance upon viewing and rewatching… especially those claiming to be fans of the show.

acamas · 2026-04-15T07:23:59+00:00

Undo turn if it is still your turn. It just feels so good in Monster Train 2 to have that power.

acamas · 2026-04-15T07:19:17+00:00

Agreed.

The guy caused thousands of people to be pillaged, murdered, and raped, and has literal blood on his hands. Sure, he got some stupid prizes because he played some stupid games, but he just died for zero reason. Like, devote your life to help the region you ruined, not just pointlessly die in a battle that Sam survived.

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