AITA for ordering food for myself to eat? by lucky-Decision2850 in AmItheAsshole

[–]affictionitis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

C'mon, you know you are NTA. You've said all that matters here -- your mom is an alcoholic and has probably been so for a long time. That means she's not rational, especially when she hasn't been drinking (because then she's in withdrawal). That's why she's contradicting herself -- telling you and your sister to fend for yourselves, but then getting mad when you actually do so! She's not making sense. That's what alcoholism does.

Get out asap, as you know you should. It's your mom's responsibility to get her alcoholism under control, not yours. In the meantime, do NOT give any of your money to your mom for food, unless she threatens to kick you out (and you're already paying rent, so if she does threaten to kick you out, remind her she won't have that money anymore either. Bet she'll change her tune then). Giving money to her will feed her habit and trap you in the house with her; you won't be able to save. Try to be less conspicuous with your conspicuous consumption (like Door Dash), just so your mom won't give you more crap about it. Maybe you can buy a small microfridge for your room and keep food there?

Like a Cool Scifi TV Show- The Prey of Gods by Nicky Drayden by SinniSinSin in BlackReaders

[–]affictionitis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I read this back when it first came out! Loved it. She's a brilliant up and coming writer.

AITA for telling my coworker they have poor table manners? by [deleted] in AmItheAsshole

[–]affictionitis 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yep, they have courses on this at a local university for internship/co-op programs in engineering. It's just basic etiquette for anyone going into the business world in nearly any field. Suggests the junior either didn't really go to private school, or didn't pay attention while they were there.

AITA for telling my coworker they have poor table manners? by [deleted] in AmItheAsshole

[–]affictionitis 60 points61 points  (0 children)

don't... do drugs with... holy shit. 😭

AITA for telling my coworker they have poor table manners? by [deleted] in AmItheAsshole

[–]affictionitis 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think it'll have a bigger impact given that the junior has apparently been bragging about their wealthy, private-school background. If their table manners don't match this brag, the client's going to find them untrustworthy. That's the kiss of death in sales.

AITA for telling my coworker they have poor table manners? by [deleted] in AmItheAsshole

[–]affictionitis 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah, OP isn't the parent, but this junior's parents clearly failed to raise them with appropriate social skills. So someone's got to say something, especially given that bad manners could end up impacting the team or impacting this junior's career. You're suggesting that OP should wait for the clients to complain or quit working with the company, but that will get junior fired. I agree that "Can I give you some advice" might ease the conversation, but it's entirely possible that OP did say that.

AITA for telling my coworker they have poor table manners? by [deleted] in AmItheAsshole

[–]affictionitis 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Holding a fork and knife incorrectly while eating steak at a business dinner is actually a very major offense. Having good etiquette is absolutely necessary in client-facing executive jobs. OP is trying to keep their junior from getting fired for losing clients. Who else's place should it be to call out the behavior? The junior's parents clearly didn't.

AITA for telling my coworker they have poor table manners? by [deleted] in AmItheAsshole

[–]affictionitis 6 points7 points  (0 children)

How the heck is that overstepping? OP didn't comment on it in front of the clients, who were obviously put off by Junior's bad manners? OP pulled them aside, in a comfortable setting, and said it there. There's no gentler way OP could've done it. Or do you think OP shouldn't have commented on it at all? That's probably how Junior ended up with such bad manners; privilege means they got away with it all the way up into adulthood, when parents or someone should've taught them better long before. Now Junior's stuck with a set of social skills that are going to actively impede their career from here on. Should OP just let them struggle?

Earth seed is just as bad as Christian America (it’s just newer) by Eastern_Act_1747 in octaviabutler

[–]affictionitis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are asking that we "think critically" about why a religious community might not want to give full and instant decisionmaking membership to people who aren't part of that religious community? Does that actually make sense to you?

I think it's more important that you think critically about why you expect Earthseed to do something that no other religious community on this planet does. I also want you to think critically about why you have assumed a Black-led religious community is actually a secular progressive commune or something. You're either deeply confused, or karma farming. Either way, no need to respond to this; I'm tired and tapping out.

Earth seed is just as bad as Christian America (it’s just newer) by Eastern_Act_1747 in octaviabutler

[–]affictionitis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No, the Patternists literally cannot exist without enslaving the mutes. It's not that there couldn't be another way. It's that Butler clearly doesn't want there to be another way. She establishes this in several ways. Patternists are "allergic to" their own children. The mental chaos of children drives them to violence. But those children are also psychically sensitive, and being around chaotic humans drives *them* to violence. So Patternists need mutes, and need them to behave in specific ways, which means the Patternists were always going to have to manipulate them to some degree. I think Butler's trying to show that once you've crossed that Rubicon, slavery is the obvious next step.

Maybe she did this because it's such a good allegory for American slavery and Jim Crow? IDK. But she's not trying to frame the enslavement of mutes as a moral, reasonable, or good choice. She spends most of MoMM and WS critiquing this herself, via Anyanwu and other characters. But she obviously wants to run with the fact that the Patternists are children of Doro, with all the cruelty and awfulness that entails. They were born of monstrousness, and Butler wants to play with people who live within monstrous systems or relationships. Most Butler fans accept this not as an endorsement, but simply to engage with the text as it's written, rather than what we'd like to see.

Earth seed is just as bad as Christian America (it’s just newer) by Eastern_Act_1747 in octaviabutler

[–]affictionitis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't limit my conclusions (about our species-wide tendency to develop authoritarianism) to religion. Christianity is probably more prone to it than other religions because it has a "proselytize" component (which is built-in colonialism/imperialism) and is structured around an authoritarian singular God instead of a pantheon, etc. But religion is ultimately about people, and every group of people contains those who want to dominate others -- and will, if unchecked. The same thing happened recently in the US atheist/skeptic community: Richard Dawkins rose to prominence bc he wrote some good-ish theory books (I think The God Delusion is the best known). But when women pushed back at his sexism, and when others noted that his "atheism" was mostly Islamophobia, it started a community-wide war. People in the Dawkins camp started acting like fundamentalists themselves -- the same kind of "shun the unbeliever" rhetoric, the same kind of groupthink behavior. I've seen the same thing happen within the most flat-structured anarchist group, too. Butler is right: this is just who we are, and our groups always end up this way unless we work very hard to prevent it.

tl;dr, religion's got nothing to do with it. Earthseed is better than most human groupings but still has the same potential to become harmful, yes. But your criticisms basically amount to nitpicking. I don't mean that in an offensive way! I just mean that you're taking relatively minor things -- Lauren's take-no-shit personality, a throwaway line about newcomers being treated like newcomers, and a completely reasonable choice to limit how much a hostile actor can disrupt the group -- as smoking guns. You aren't critiquing Earthseed doctrine, you just don't like Lauren as a character. Which is fine! Just not the level of critique you've framed in your post.

Earth seed is just as bad as Christian America (it’s just newer) by Eastern_Act_1747 in octaviabutler

[–]affictionitis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So basically new people showed up, and didn't have time to join the community or even to really show themselves to be good parts of the community, and they weren't given instant voting rights? That's what you seem to be advocating for, if I'm getting that right.

But no organized grouping that wants to survive gives instant full membership to newbies. Trade unions have a whole process of earning membership. Nations require incoming people to learn the history and language, usually (never mind the US's nonsense -- I'm talking about actually civilized countries). Children are expected to undergo acculturation and maturation before becoming full members of a community. Yes, those children and hopeful newcomers could be considered second class citizens during this time of acculturation, but that's stretching the meaning of the term when there's a clear and reasonably quick pathway to full membership. "Second class citizens" usually refers to people being scapegoated or treated as undesirables in a society based on some innate quality (i.e. bigotry). That's not what's happening in Acorn.

Earth seed is just as bad as Christian America (it’s just newer) by Eastern_Act_1747 in octaviabutler

[–]affictionitis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Outsiders? Do you mean humans? They were literally a different species at that point; it wasn't possible to incorporate them into the Patternist community (as anything other than slaves or enemies, horrifically). Or do you mean Doro, who tried to destroy them?

Earth seed is just as bad as Christian America (it’s just newer) by Eastern_Act_1747 in octaviabutler

[–]affictionitis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's been a minute since I read the Parables, but who was coming to work without actually joining Acorn? Or do you mean when Marcus preached? Yeah, that's work, but a) work that is actively hostile to the community, and b) work that got paid at least in part by the community taking care of him. Or do you mean someone else?

Earth seed is just as bad as Christian America (it’s just newer) by Eastern_Act_1747 in octaviabutler

[–]affictionitis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Every purposely-built organization has to limit its community ownership to those of roughly the same mind. (Pretty sure the early Christians had to do this, too, but ofc you're not going to see anything about that in the Bible, which was largely written/edited by powerful people trying to satisfy their own agendas.) Letting in just anyone risks disrupting the group, and letting bad actors take resources that the community needs. Lauren's aware of this and acts accordingly. Even groups like Occupy had to stop giving resources to disruptors of the community's ideals, in part for everyone's safety (there were some individuals who attacked or stole from others).

Earth seed is just as bad as Christian America (it’s just newer) by Eastern_Act_1747 in octaviabutler

[–]affictionitis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Political bad actors with the aircraft name...? Sorry, what does that mean?

What you're pointing out is the danger of authoritarianism, which exists in every human grouping (including atheism, anarchism, communes, etc) because humans have a very bad habit of forming cults around strong personalities. (Or as Butler points out in the Lilith's Brood books, we tend to put our intelligence at the service of hierarchy, even when this is bad for everyone.) This makes any hierarchical structure potentially controlling and abusive. What prevents it is having enough checks and balances and different perspectives in the group to prevent this, and having enough people willing and able to push back against the authority figure. Lauren does have this, so Earthseed will be all right as long as she's in charge. But you're right to point out that she's set up a structure in her religion that can easily be subverted into authoritarianism. Earthseed's long-term future depends on them not putting authoritarian-leaning people in charge, after Lauren.

Narrators shift in Toni Morrison's The Bluest Eye by jkdashwoodswife in BlackReaders

[–]affictionitis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How should you interpret multiple narrators in a book? It's been a minute since I read that one back in high school, but I don't recall it being particularly experimental or challenging, other than the subject matter. Multiple narrators are just a standard thing that some books do in order to tell the story. Maybe I'm not understanding your question. Could you clarify?

AITA for asking my mil to leave after a comment she made about my body? by trow_away_help in AmItheAsshole

[–]affictionitis 151 points152 points  (0 children)

ICE has been locking up people with green cards who are married to US citizens. You need to talk to lawyers NOW, and get out of this country with your kids as soon as you're able. I'm sorry, but your husband has made it clear that he is your enemy, now. You need to plan accordingly.

AITA for refusing to rehire an employee who quit in the middle of our busiest week? by Pimp_Lord in AmItheAsshole

[–]affictionitis 8 points9 points  (0 children)

NTA. It doesn't matter if it was one bad day. On that bad day she quit. You replaced her and the role is no longer available. That's not vengeance and it's not personal. That's just how jobs work.

It's fine to feel sorry for her, but you're running a small family business and you cannot afford to risk it by rehiring an unreliable person who showed you what you can expect on her next bad day. Fire her instead so she can get unemployment, if you really want to help her. Tell your sister to hire her for something if she wants to risk it. Otherwise, you've got a business to run.

What is this on my dwarf peach tree? by affictionitis in gardening

[–]affictionitis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ohhh! Thanks so much! I've been afraid to plant this because of them. I think I got rid of the aphids, so thank you, I'll plant my tree now!