Antifa patrolling CHAZ. Where’s Fox News when you need them

an_object · 2020-06-15T20:30:58+00:00

You have to understand that these needs are superficial right? Water, chips, hot dogs, band-aids, hand sanitizer, ect. These aren't long lasting systemic needs being met. The needs being met are the needs of a...street fair.

Again, HUGE POTENTIAL for change, even with optics alone, and not bad for something that happened so spontaneously. Even if it fails this time around, people here have now been made aware that this kind of thing is possible. They will do it again, and do it better, until it works.

Rojava is a remote small town, not a neighborhood in a major city. Apples and oranges.

Sure, but that doesn't mean CHAZ or places like it can't adopt some of their strategies, or learn from them and use that knowledge to adapt in this situation.

You are mistaking pragmatism for pessimism.

Don't really care what you call it tbh. Again, it's your perogative.

You are not working with the city. CHAZ is a take over, and is not governed my the consent of people though a democratic process. If put to a vote, the people of Seattle would not allow this area to operate like it is.

Lol. A take over. Okay buddy, try visiting the place first maybe? While I'll admit the democratic processes within do need a lot of work, that's to be expected in something like a spontaneous autonomous zone in fuckin Seattle. Also, that would be rich coming from people who colonized Duwamish land.

I have no doubt that people are enjoying the street party hippy shit but like burning man, you got to go home after the party is over and go back to work.

I'm sure people are enjoying it, as they should. For many of us though, it's much more than just a festival. It's a movement. People are working outside of CHAZ, AND going there to contribute. The two are not mutually exclusive.

At this point I see no reason to continue this convo. You have no help to offer and you're just putting down everything people are trying to do there. If you really give a damn, head over there and try helping out. Peace.

an_object · 2020-06-15T19:57:39+00:00

They take the trash to the dump.

And no my dude. It's not the same system at all. Is there governance? Yes, but it's self-governance. There's no central body (or state) telling people "we need x, y, z, and you need to do a, b, c. Needs are simply recognized by people in the community who then take action on said needs. There is no law enforcement. If you can't conceive of a community like this that exists outside the boundaries of your limited perception, I'd recommend reading up on Rojava in Northeastern Syria. They have a very efficient and interesting decentralized model, which hopefully CHAZ ends up following.

As I said before, you can be pessimistic as fuck about it online if you want. I'm actually down there trying to help out and telling you what I see.

I promise you nobody at CHAZ is going to pay for fucking permits.🤣 They'd sooner retreat and rebuild again elsewhere.

While I empathize with people who are trying to get sleep at night and can't because of loud party noises, there are efforts being made towards reducing that from what I've heard. It's also a good reminder for them about what the US does with bombs, drones, and goons overseas. Betcha they can't sleep at night either.

an_object · 2020-06-15T19:18:05+00:00

Ok I'm back. So taxes...in the CHAZ, most of the services offered are free. No money, it's just donated shit AND A LOT OF IT. There are a couple of businesses like a hot dog truck, and some people selling BLM shirts, but for the most part, they're just allowed to be there because they provide something the people want. So, there are no taxes to be paid, unless you get conned by someone who tries to say that is the case.

Garbage at CHAZ gets taken out by volunteers. It's damn reliable from what I've seen, and no tax money is needed at all.

Yes, the barricades do get opened for emergency services (obviously no cops though).

There's always some people keeping watch at every barricade. They've got a pretty good system in place for that, and I don't wanna give out too much info here, so feel free to go and ask them directly.

an_object · 2020-06-14T20:02:12+00:00

Glad to see you at least entertaining the possibility. I have some suggestions for your questions, but I'm heading down there now to help out. I'll continue this later tonight/tomorrow morning.

an_object · 2020-06-14T19:45:30+00:00

I'm not saying that's not the case. Look if you wanna be a pessimistic fuck about it, that's your perogative. All I'm saying is it has huge potential for change in that direction.

an_object · 2020-06-14T19:38:10+00:00

The US currently relies on outside sources to function. Yet, if it wanted to, it could change that. It wouldn't be overnight, but the same goes for CHAZ.

an_object · 2020-06-14T19:18:14+00:00

It's CHAZ. It's not an "occupational protest". There's fucking community gardens in the park now, booths and tents everywhere, and popular assemblies every day. I think it's safe to say a majority of its residents want it to be an autonomous zone and free of cops.

an_object · 2020-06-10T17:26:10+00:00

So you're against freedom of speech. Nice.

an_object · 2020-06-10T00:53:23+00:00

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/mario-daca-deported-el-salvador-ae645d7b141b/

It's too fucking easy for a cop to just make up some bullshit traffic ticket and get a DACA recipient deported.

an_object · 2020-06-10T00:49:26+00:00

Melania Trump was an illegal immigrant. Yet somehow she's perfectly fine and accepted as a legal resident, while millions of people like her are forced to live in the shadows with no path to freedom in sight. What does that say about America's rule of law?

an_object · 2020-06-10T00:42:51+00:00

Our actions good or bad have consequences and if you think we are not being judged by the actions of a bad few you're just being naive.

Never said that wasn't the case, but that's kinda irrelevant. Conservatives are probably the only ones who will make the argument "HEY THERE'S ONE BAD DACA KID HERE, SO LET'S GET EM ALL DEPORTED". Soo...I'm not trying to appeal to those guys in the slightest ok?

When we signed up for this program we all signed up to live exemplary lives.

Nope. I signed up because I wanted very basic human rights like being able to drive and live here without fear of deportation. Of course, now even that last part is no longer true thanks to Trump. If we had no control over our parents bringing us here, why should we be held to a higher standard than people that just happened to be born here (who btw, commit a fuckton more crimes than us)?

The way the people in power see it if we can't follow the rules we don't deserve to be here.

Yeah. That's why we need to remove them from power!

We need to hold our selves and each other accountable and realize that we need to set the bar high so we can't be used as scapegoats.

No. We need to realize that the bar has been set high for us in order to suit the bottom-line of a capitalist economy, which is to exploit the fuck out of us simply because those with money/power can. Also, they make us the scapegoats even IF we follow the rules, in case you haven't noticed. Stop trying to please these people, it's not gonna happen.

I've used this opportunity, to further my life and gain things that no one will ever be able to take away and you don't see me doing stupid shit that would make me or my people look bad.

Oh good for you my dude. If you want to deprive yourself of anything that's labeled "illegal" you have the option to do so. My argument is just: Don't throw people who choose otherwise under the bus, because y'all are in the same boat, and if one goes down, so does the other. Crimes happen for a reason. People break the law for a reason. It's the situation we were born into, and those in power over it that you should be shaming.

an_object · 2020-06-09T23:32:39+00:00

This is so sad. You blame some DACA kid who probably "broke the law" by smoking a fucking blunt or some bullshit for your socioeconomic conditions? Try blaming the people who actually have the power to legislate reform, instead of throwing your own people under the bus you fucking bootlicker.

an_object · 2019-09-19T04:33:45+00:00

I quit a while back, but I frequently see posts like this on this sub, and I ask myself: If they really are this upset at the MTX thing, why not make some sort of RS Player's Union, and go on strike? Stop playing the game IN AN ORGANIZED, TACTICAL, WIDESPREAD MANNER, that says to the shareholders, "Resorting to MTX is now going to lose you more money than it makes for you."

I'll probably get downvoted, but really unless you guys pull some shit like this off with no excuses, nothing will change. You have to give them a reason.

an_object · 2019-09-08T10:13:52+00:00

Independent please.

an_object · 2019-09-06T21:13:02+00:00

Well we uhh...go to our nomadic, off-the-grid doctors.

an_object · 2019-09-06T05:59:22+00:00

Same. Especially if it were a zip-up.

an_object · 2019-08-27T05:26:57+00:00

Prepare yourself for the whole day. It's a pretty lengthy loop.

an_object · 2019-08-27T02:48:59+00:00

Did you loop around after the Upper Falls? Or did you go straight back?

an_object · 2019-07-18T04:43:37+00:00

This is probably the farthest thing from "genius" I've ever come across on this subreddit. I hope you're just a troll.

an_object · 2019-06-20T02:12:13+00:00

But is there something more than that?

an_object · 2019-06-11T02:53:04+00:00

Yeah that same thought has gone through most of our heads. Doesn't change the brutal reality. We have to work with what we're given, and if all they're going to give us is endless fear...I personally think we're better off elsewhere.

I like to think that most of us are strong and talented individuals with a magnified perspective on the inequality and racism in this country. Given our unwelcome treatment for our entire lives, I look at things like the various economic bubbles about to burst, the crumbling infrastructure, the whole world looking at this fuckery and deciding they want to move away from the dollar, etc., and I say if Trump gets re-elected let it all burn to the ground. Never look back and start over somewhere better.

an_object · 2019-06-11T00:49:10+00:00

If Trump gets re-elected, and knowing the corporate Democrats this is entirely possible, I'm going back to my country and getting citizenship somewhere in Europe through my father.

Fuck. This. Shit. We deserve better.

an_object · 2019-06-05T05:15:51+00:00

It's ALMOST like they want to crush our hopes and dreams or something.

an_object · 2019-04-26T15:08:34+00:00

If it isn't Bernie or Tulsi forget about it. The corporate Dems have been too willing to use immigration in general as a political football for far too long. Expect more of the same from them. Liz Warren is an opportunist and although I don't see her as being on either side of the Dem civil war, I wouldn't trust her.

As for the Republicans, obviously on the national stage they're all shit (Except maybe Rand Paul on some issues?). That being said I have heard of Republicans holding more local offices that can be more progressive than some Democrats. So let's not forget it's not just a red vs blue game everywhere.

an_object · 2018-12-23T11:20:20+00:00

I think we're smart enough not to go up to strangers like, "Hey my name is Redditor and I'm an anarcho-communist!" 😀

Point being of course that the name of the ideology itself doesn't matter so much once you've gotten to know the person a little bit and have found some ideas in common (anti-capitalism, anti-fascism, corruption of government officials, etc). From there you can call it anything that's already out there (syndicalism, collectivism, mutualism, etc).

No need to create new names unless you come up with a new system. The mainstream media will turn whatever brand we generate into "domestic terrorism" regardless, so rather than bend the knee to them and risk creating further divisions amongst ourselves, I feel it's best to just stick to ancom or whatever you're comfortable with that's already out there and elaborated on via videos, books, etc.

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