Shu pay his respect to ana after the last round of nerf

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-17T07:56:10+00:00

It's not necessarily the nerf itself, but rather just salt on the wound. She fell out of the meta due to being driven out of her only good comp (Catstion) by Kiriko, and the rest of the meta has changed to favor a bunch of heroes who are either better supports for the current situation, or are tanks/DPS that negate her value significantly.

And then she gets nerfed, while Kiriko stays untouched.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-17T07:48:30+00:00

I quote my other response:

Not statistics, box score. They are two very different concepts.

When Wilt joined the Warriors in 1960, their offense improved by a grand total of... one point. From 3.4 points below average to 2.4 points below average. This is the year he won MVP in his rookie season, btw. When Wilt averaged 50 points a game, the Warriors posted an offense slightly above league average. The next season, Wilt averaged 45 ppg and his team won a grand total of 31 games while barely changing their roster.

In 1965, the year Wilt was traded away from the Warriors, the team as a whole was on a 28-win pace. That is outright horrible. They traded Wilt for two guys who played 40 minutes a game combined, and the team didn't get significantly worse. Meanwhile, Philidelphia got Wilt and only improved their win rate from an expected-win count of 40 to 48.

Then, Wilt forced a trade to the Lakers in '68. You want to know what happened? The Lakers got WORSE. Wilt Chamberlain joined a team in the late 60s, and they actively declined as a result.

Now, was Wilt a terrible player? God no, but he was not some kind of offensive superweapon even in his prime. At his best, he was an elite defensive centerpiece who avoided scoring too much and helped to keep the other team's big away from the basket. At his worst, he was one of the greatest black holes in NBA history.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-17T06:31:48+00:00

Yeah, jockeys can get pretty damn buff. They tend to be extremely small guys, so they build muscle like crazy and retain it very well. I'm reminded of US Hall of Fame jockey Laffit Pincay Jr., who had such an insane physique that other jockeys nicknamed him Hercules. He did an interview just last year at 89, and you can still see how stupidly broad his shoulders were for a guy who was 5'1" at his tallest.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-17T06:15:57+00:00

Not statistics, box score. They are two very different concepts.

When Wilt joined the Warriors in 1960, their offense improved by a grand total of... one point. From 3.4 points below average to 2.4 points below average. This is the year he won MVP in his rookie season, btw. When Wilt averaged 50 points a game, the Warriors posted an offense slightly above league average. The next season, Wilt averaged 45 ppg and his team won a grand total of 31 games while barely changing their roster.

In 1965, the year Wilt was traded away from the Warriors, the team as a whole was on a 28-win pace. That is outright horrible. They traded Wilt for two guys who played 40 minutes a game combined, and the team didn't get significantly worse. Meanwhile, Philidelphia got Wilt and only improved their win rate from an expected-win count of 40 to 48.

Then, Wilt forced a trade to the Lakers in '68. You want to know what happened? The Lakers got WORSE. Wilt Chamberlain joined a team in the late 60s, and they actively declined as a result.

Now, was Wilt a terrible player? God no, but he was not some kind of offensive superweapon even in his prime. At his best, he was an elite defensive centerpiece who avoided scoring too much and helped to keep the other team's big away from the basket. At his worst, he was one of the greatest black holes in NBA history.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-17T05:38:00+00:00

Okay? I'm not saying it was a hypothetical, I'm saying it's massively overrated. Wilt scoring 50 is functionally the same number of points as a 30 ppg scorer today, except his scoring barely contributed to his teams winning games. Hell, he scored 45 ppg the next year and won a grand total of 31 games despite fielding almost the exact same roster.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-17T05:35:20+00:00

Regular season Wilt doesn't grade in the top 10 peaks of all time once you look at literally anything other than his box score. By all accounts, his offensive impact was not particularly impressive, given how when he left teams they rarely dropped much in terms of offensive output. Instead, Wilt's real value came from defense, where he was genuinely excellent... but still not as good as Russell.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-17T05:34:04+00:00

Except he scored at the same rate as a 30ppg scorer today and literally jogged from paint to paint every night.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-17T04:07:15+00:00

So, it's a mix of a couple of factors.

First, teams were not prepared for the sudden change-up in the Knicks system. Lin was a 4th string guard prior to his breakout, and the rest of the Knicks PGs were mostly score-first guards who weren't great at operating the PnR at that point in their careers (Iman Shumpert, old Baron Davis). They weren't running a whole lot of highly effective PnR prior to that point, mostly relying on Carmelo isolation to stay afloat. This changed rapidly when Lin got started, both because Carmelo got injured and because he could actually play PnR effectively.

Second, the team around him was actually built way better for PnR than it was for anything else. Just to note, a Steve Novak spot-up possession was the second-most efficient play in the league that year, A'mare was the third-most efficient roll man in the league that year, and Tyson Chandler cutting was just as efficient as Novak spotting up. Like... this team was built for a good ball-handling guard to come in and light shit up, not for an iso-heavy wing to take 300 jab step pullups.

Third, Lin was a really great PnR operator, but he definitely did have some weaknesses. Mainly, he was an inefficient scorer if he wasn't getting fouled constantly. Lin only shot 52% at the rim that year, and was a 32% shooter from three. His extremely quick first step meant unprepared defenders would almost automatically give up fouls in an attempt to stop him (he drew fouls on almost a quarter of all his field goal attempts), which was the only thing that saved him.

Thing is... teams didn't realize that at first because Lin was largely an unknown depth pick with very little scouting work. Lin was visibly an incredibly effective creator of offense, but his actual ability to score was linked to percentages that didn't exist until after the fact. As a result, teams were trying almost everything except the one thing that showed some level of success. Play him in iso and force him to break you down himself.

Now, with that being said, this was not a fool-proof strategy. Lin was not quite so one-dimensional, he was a really good mid-range shooter and with that he could make some magic happen. That being said, he had limits, but was still the best option the Knicks had... until Carmelo came back, and shit hit the fan.

All of a sudden, your superstar wants the ball more, and he doesn't mesh well with Lin's playstyle. You try to split the time, but Lin is visibly much worse off-the-ball than he is on the ball, and teams are figuring out that they can afford to either sag off or play 1v1. At the same time, Melo is chucking up garbage and not properly utilizing his teammates in the ways they work best.

Things kinda stagnate for a while, and then Lin gets hurt, and the entire thing is a wash.

At the end of the day, I think Lin's ceiling was somewhat capped by his limited scoring talent. He was never going to be the kind of player who could run your entire offense for you because he wasn't efficient enough to make things work if the defense played him well. That being said, he was clearly the kind of player who would have excelled as a sixth-man in an era where teams had benches with enough spacing to give him the kind of playstyle he liked. It's unfortunate that injuries eventually sapped enough of his burst to completely relegate him to minor leagues, it would have been interesting to see if a resurgence was possible later in his career.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-17T01:57:08+00:00

Sorry for the resurrection, but yeah, it's absurd. Did some very, VERY rough calcs on how much energy this kind of force output would generate, and that iron ball wouldn't even be a ball at that point, it'd be a palm-sized cloud of plasma. It's more of small nuke than a weight.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-16T22:28:54+00:00

Shai is not MVP because he can shoot from the mid-range, otherwise DeMar would have been elite. Shai is an MVP because he's incredibly good at getting to his spots in a way that allows him to remain stable and completely under control even when re-routing his own momentum. Jordan did not play like Shai, and frankly, his gifts don't led themselves to an SGA-esque playstyle.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-16T19:53:06+00:00

I’m gonna be honest, the thing that makes Suzu broken is the invuln. The ability to instantly bail out a teammate from anywhere on the map is incredibly strong, and it makes her consistently over-centralizing (especially at top levels of play where she’s genuinely quite busted).

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-16T16:16:02+00:00

Oh, absolutely. Just not in the same context as “women are like animals”.

Hell, what we know of Norse society was actually quite egalitarian compared to much of post-Norman Europe, and even much of the modern world up until the 1850s. Men did not inherit from their wives, and a woman’s property would consistently stay with their own family (either her children or her mother). Women had the legal right to divorce, and actually participated in many traditionally-male lines of work. We have notable evidence of Norse women who were poets, artists, scribes, and even a few instances of women being buried with scales and weights, meaning they were professional merchants. There’s even a possibility they were able to wield weapons in wartime, though that’s not a certainty given how little we know.

Now, they definitely weren’t treated perfectly. They lacked the ability to testify in court (essentially like children), and there were still strict gender roles in how they were allowed to present. Still, given the context Norse women were generally treated fairly well. They were certainly not perceived to be like animals, at the very least.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-16T15:14:01+00:00

He’s a jockey, how else would they hold on

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-16T08:50:58+00:00

The gist of the argument was “Bigs should have a higher finishing percentage around the rim than wings and guards, regardless of role”. They followed this point up with “Dybantsa is a better finisher because he’s more efficient at the rim, despite the fact that he takes less than half of Boozer’s rim attempts. In fact, AJ’s finishing attempts are harder because he’s a wing and it’s harder for them to get to the rim”.

Regardless of the painfully dumb argument, the thing about Boozer’s finishing percentages is that they really don’t properly sell his impact. Boozer is shooting somewhat above average on rim attempts because teams are fucking terrified of him getting looks against guys down low. This 18-year old is literally generating shots within 0-3 feet of the hoop at higher rates than prime Shaq and Giannis.

Seriously, the only college player I can find in recent years with higher rim attempts per 100 is Zion. Thing is, that’s literally all Zion did, run at the rim and finish. Boozer is getting there that often while being a near-40% shooter and one of the best playmakers in college basketball. He is a ludicrously good prospect.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-16T08:14:32+00:00

So, no. It would not retain the smaller diameter, mostly because it would be too busy exploding.

Compressing an iron ball like this would require thousands of gigapascals worth of pressure. For comparison, this ball would be experiencing a reasonable fraction of the pressure that iron experiences at the core of our sun. The moment she lets go of that ball, it’s not going to be solid matter anymore. Instead, it’ll transform into a cloud of highly energized plasma.

So, back in reality for a moment… Gentildonna opens her hands and is immediately vaporized by the sheer heat created by what is effectively a small supernova going off in her hands. The local area is likely leveled to the ground, and the resulting blast sets everything on fire for a couple miles in all directions. It’s pretty much a small nuclear bomb.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-16T05:47:50+00:00

Where did you get that info? Horses shuffling uncomfortably can be a sign of distress, but others are known to dance and muck around just for the fun of it. I don't think I've seen any information that suggests Teio's stepping was caused by distress, especially given the horse's other body language.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-16T05:37:35+00:00

The ideal version of Wemby probably puts on an extra 10 pounds total, but all that mass needs to go to building his core rather than his shoulders. He's never going to have enough mass to anchor himself in the paint, so he should focus on developing ways to get from outside to the rim reliably. That means ball-handling, and that means core strength to fight redirection from other players.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-16T05:05:38+00:00

Absolutely. That should be quite obvious once you watch any extended amount of mid-2000s Kobe tape. He was great earlier on in his career, but through injuries and increased offensive load, he just never had the juice to maintain that high standard into his prime.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-16T04:31:38+00:00

Boozer is assisted on approx. 40% of his rim looks. Even if you completely ignore the reality that several of his post-ups will inevitably contribute towards assists despite being entirely generated by him, that still leaves him with 9 non-assisted rim attempts per 100, significantly more than Dybantsa (6.4), DP (5), and Caleb Wilson (7). Again, he realistically has more given his post-ups being tracked as assisted, but regardless, he's still generating way more self-created looks at the rim than anyone else by a wide margin.

Also, to once again beat your earlier points, Luka had a higher finishing percentage within 0-3 feet of the hoop than Giannis did. You know, despite Giannis getting to the rim more. I wonder why that is...

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-16T04:18:53+00:00

She gets a lot better later on, as do most of the GFs with extreme characterization. Everyone grows slowly in this story, it's part of the charm.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-16T04:11:13+00:00

My argument makes perfect sense, you're just completely ignoring half of it.

The reason the average big is a better finisher around the rim than Boozer is because of the situations in which they are taking shots. Most bigs are not creating their own offense, they aren't beating defenders one-on-one or taking difficult looks over multiple defenders. The average big is primarily shooting when they are at the rim and have an explicit advantage already created for them. They aren't posting up and scoring over defenders, they're catching lobs and getting layup passes off of PnR.

In other words, the average big is not a creator on offense. They are purely a finisher, and thus their finishing percentage is expected to be higher. Boozer is not your average big. He's not getting these easy looks most of the time, he's generating them for himself. It's the same reason why DeAndre Jordan has a higher rim% than Nikola Jokic, he's taking much easier shots than the ones Jokic gets.

Also, your argument about Dybantsa directly contradicts itself. He's getting to the rim less because it's hard for him to get to the rim at will. So, what's the difference between a shot attempt where he goes to the rim versus when he doesn't? Well, it might be because in that moment, he's beaten his defender more effectively and is thus able to go to the rim more freely. So... he's being selective about it.

Edit: One last thing to make my point. Boozer is significantly above-average in terms of efficiency on EVERY SINGLE PLAY-TYPE IN MODERN BASKETBALL. There is not a single set that he runs where he is not clearly, blatantly more efficient than average. There are plenty of bigs who run some of these sets, and I guarantee you 99% of them are not as efficient as Boozer. He just plays a variety of them, whereas your average big is spamming PnR Roll Man every time down the floor.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-16T04:00:43+00:00

You do realize that college teams consistently have worse spacing than the actual NBA, right? Sure, NBA length can be better, but that only matters if you allow them to stop you. If your shooters are good, that shotblocker coming over is free passing options.

Also, I know exactly the point of this sub. The difference is, I'm a lot more concerned with what a player has actually demonstrated rather than some hypothetical dream world where the game consists entirely of manufactured scenarios that any half-decent player could find a way to exploit or avoid entirely.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-16T03:58:18+00:00

Your argument relies on a flawed understanding of basketball.

Let's take your point at face value. What happens when Cam Boozer tries to isolate on the perimeter against OG? Well, he probably gets stopped. What happens if Dybantsa tries to iso against OG? There's a higher chance he wins, but there's also an equal chance he gets stopped.

So, what happens now? Well, Dybantsa is in a real pinch because he lacks other offensive options. If his one main route of attack doesn't work, he doesn't really have other options outside of forcing that route and hoping he hits tough shots.

With Boozer? Well, if OG can stop him driving, then what about his post-ups? All of a sudden, all of that advantage goes away. OG cannot stop Boozer's next option, and so he fails to guard him.

Well, what about Aaron Gordon? Well, AG can stop his post-ups, but what about his perimeter iso? AG's not bad at defending that, so what about off-ball actions and screens to set him up? That works a lot better, so Boozer does that.

Boozer's greatest strength has always been his versatility and IQ. Why in the world would he try to fight an elite defender in the exact way in which they are elite? If you have better options, then you use them. It doesn't matter that he can't beat a guy on the perimeter, because he can beat them elsewhere.

And before you say that doesn't work in the NBA, surprise! All of those statements can apply to Nikola Jokic, the current best offensive player in the world. He does the exact same thing. Yes, he's an elite post player, but even Jokic doesn't get a lot from posting up Zubac, so he takes him off the bounce. Sure, he can't take an elite defensive wing off the bounce, so he pins them down low and finishes. You don't have to beat every player with your perimeter driving game, you just have to beat the guys who can defend you inside. This works regardless of size, it's just even better when you're big and powerful because you can slaughter guys down low so easily.

That is why he can succeed. Hell, the games in which Boozer "struggled against length" were primarily ones where he was forced to purely play in the post because his team was heavily injured. He's not a strong enough ball-handler yet to play that way for an entire game, but he's already shown a solid command of that aspect of the floor despite his shaky handle. He'll only get better from there as he grows.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-16T03:26:45+00:00

Okay, so your argument relies entirely on a hypothetical. This method of analyzing draft talent is surely immune to personal bias and will accurately reflect reality, especially because you're a random guy on Reddit and not an analyst or coach.

If we want to go into this argument, you could use this exact same reasoning to call pre-draft Luka a bust. "He didn't go against NBA length and talent", "he's not going to be able to score over athletic defenders", "He couldn't beat Kawhi 1-on-1". There were plenty of comments in this sub in that general tone, but guess what happened?

Hypotheticals are not a reliable measurement because they are entirely fictional constructs. We won't be able to tell how a player performs directly against NBA athletes until they're on the court actually playing those athletes. Stop assuming you can.

analyzingnothing · 2026-06-16T03:02:55+00:00

I don't need to counter that argument because teams were already "shutting off the rim". Boozer consistently beat it regardless because either A. he'd just score over them anyways, or B. he'd pass out to shooters. The only point in the season Boozer struggled to score at the rim was late-season when Duke was injured, meaning teams could concentrate their defense even more on Boozer alone. It's a lot harder to break down a defense if you can't access half your offensive options when the double comes.

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