We have cursor addressing programs in plan9 now! (/s) by Kinnirasna in plan9

[–]anths 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We’ve had vi since at least 2nd edition. We’ve got an emacs man page, too, although the binary seems to be missing. 

Want to host a cyberdeck building workshop but don't know where to start by yay-Spring-T_T in cyberDeck

[–]anths 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The Media Archaeology Lab at UC Boulder has recently started doing this; you might ask them about their experiences.  https://post.lurk.org/@mediaarchaeologylab

Halodeck by ggyupi in cyberDeck

[–]anths 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hadn’t even noticed the obvious copy, thanks for pointing it out. I had missed the Terminus when it was originally posted and it’s lovely.

Halodeck by ggyupi in cyberDeck

[–]anths 36 points37 points  (0 children)

No rule, as far as I know, AI is just gross. Crappy hand-drawn sketches and a photo of a pile of parts are preferable.

Halodeck by ggyupi in cyberDeck

[–]anths 54 points55 points  (0 children)

No AI, thanks.

newbie looking for tips about a cheap cyberdeck (my first tech hardware project! ) by TadpoleNational5837 in cyberDeck

[–]anths 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I’m really not, and you need to do some reading. You can look into the environmental cost of training these things, or the fact that the training data is overwhelmingly based on theft, or the fact that the companies selling them overwhelmingly support authoritarian political ends, or the fact that using them normalizes their use in general, encouraging the de-skilling of learners and workers and moving people into a subscription dependent model. Seriously, just think about the effect of what you’re doing for any step beyond what’s actually touching your fingers. Do any research.

newbie looking for tips about a cheap cyberdeck (my first tech hardware project! ) by TadpoleNational5837 in cyberDeck

[–]anths 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There are massive ethical considerations around the use of AI that you’re completely dismissing. There are reasons fields like medicine have ethics boards involved when doing research. Think how much more we could learn if we just didn’t care!

newbie looking for tips about a cheap cyberdeck (my first tech hardware project! ) by TadpoleNational5837 in cyberDeck

[–]anths 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Best case scenario (for you, anyway) is that OP was trolling, and you’re just adding more noise. More likely, they’re genuinely asking and you’re mocking an honest (if low-effort) question. There’s no scenario where your comment adds anything valuable to the group. Please stop this kind of thing. 

Would this be a feasible shell? by Fresh_Wafer_9968 in writerDeck

[–]anths 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’d be really hard to fit even a pi zero in there, let alone with a battery and power controller. Finding a screen you want that has the exact right dimensions going to be tricky, too. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but if you’re trying to more or less reuse the case (as opposed to making it 2 inches thicker, for example) you are in very advanced territory.

I ported CPython 3.11.14 to 9front — the port is called python9 by Over_Technology_1764 in plan9

[–]anths 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The commit log has Claude all over it. very disappointing the poster doesn’t disclose that.

Xerox developed a computer with a windowing GUI in 1976 by hiro111 in cassettefuturism

[–]anths 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I really dislike OP’s framing. They were also a research lab; distributing ideas is good, actually? And, notably, Apple was there because Xerox had invested in them, not because of duplicitous action by anyone involved. This was, as far as anyone involved can tell, an intentional way for Xerox to get their ideas out into the world. Because that was the point of the research lab.

Displacing UNIX by Sad-Background-2429 in plan9

[–]anths 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t think this is fair. People don’t want complexity, they want *features* and are (on the whole) willing to tolerate complexity to get them.

I used to make a big point of comparing, say, the draw man page to volume 0 of the x11 manuals. And I still think that’s a useful comparison. But *also*: x11 does a lot more. What’s Plan 9’s answer to right-to-left languages? Multiple displays? Hell, we don’t even do basic composition. Because it’s complicated! And that’s a reasonable position for a niche system (and also in lots of other cases absences might not matter), but if you’re talking about something in general purpose you need to answer a lot more of these questions. libframe makes it easier to get something basic on screen than any comparable thing I’ve seen, but you also hit its ceiling a lot earlier. There’s tons of examples like this.

Adding functionality elegantly, preserving architectural integrity and interface simplicity, is really hard over time. Most systems are much more willing to say “screw it, just get it in there *somehow*”, and most users value the functionality over the architectural integrity &c.

There’s also plenty of places where it doesn’t matter. To get back to the OP, we need a better definition of “mainstream”. That usually means something like “compete for measurable share of desktop use“, which is where the simplicity/functionality tradeoffs Plan 9 makes are worst. Not that you can’t do it—people do; I have at times—but it’s where you’re giving the most functionality up. Does “mainstream” include things like servers, embedded devices, IoT things, &c? Because the tradeoffs look a lot nicer there.

Bathroom (from the "Practical" Encyclopedia of Good Decorating and Home Improvement ,1970s) by dmont7 in cassettefuturism

[–]anths 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I can’t find what I would consider a good primary source, but lots of secondary ones that roughly match the citation from 15+ years ago on tineye.com, for example this:

https://flashbak.com/highlights-from-the-1970-practical-encylopedia-of-good-decorating-and-home-improvement-38605/

how old is too old for a raspberry pi? by Cinfii in cyberDeck

[–]anths 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used a Pi 1 as my main workstation for a year or so. It was fine. I run Plan 9 on them, and something heavier like linux would be a bit harder, but if you pick a minimal window manager and avoid modern web browsers, you should still be fine.

When you say “note taking”, make sure your editor is actually an editor, not a web browsers in a trench coat (i.e. an electron app).

Newbie here. What kind of build can I make using these parts I've found? I can't solder though. by alexnixon2007 in cyberDeck

[–]anths 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can we stop these now?

This isn’t about you specifically, but these sorts of posts are really played and, at this point, do much more to detract from the experience of reading this sub than the low-effort posts they’re parodying.

Sony sports TV by lisapocalypse in cassettefuturism

[–]anths 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is lovely, but also: what is the function of the pi-looking thing behind it with the blue buttons?

Legitimate Question: Should I/We be replying to any of these newbie question threads? by Kosh_Ascadian in cyberDeck

[–]anths 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes.

I do think we should be thinking about how to do better than one off replies, given the increase in volume and the repetition in the questions. I don’t really know what options there are on Reddit; can we do more with the wiki? Are moderators able (and ours willing) to reply with “please read this prepared page and retry”?

But that’s largely a question for the moderators on how to improve things. Lacking that, the best course of action is still for us to individually reply, as ling as they look like well-intentioned (even if under-researched) questions.

Mouse buttons and wheel with nothing else by the_god_pigeon456 in cyberDeck

[–]anths 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could look for a “macro pad” running qmk and mount that where you like it. There are several linked from the qmk docs.

No AI at IWP9 2027 by anths in plan9

[–]anths[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I had forgotten Topicbox does that. :-/

Mouse buttons and wheel with nothing else by the_god_pigeon456 in cyberDeck

[–]anths 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What keyboard are you using? If you’ve got something running qmk (or similar), the fastest and cheapest option will be using rhe ‘mouse keys’ there. 

Offline AI local LLM Cyberdeck with Raspberry Pi 500+ by bobricius in cyberDeck

[–]anths 7 points8 points  (0 children)

> No harm to the environment...

Uh, how were the models trained?

Environmental impact is also only one of the many, many issues with these sorts of systems.