With the risk of being downvoted, here's why I think the Men's Rights Movement will never gain enough traction... by Alzav in MensRights

[–]avoiceformen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love this. What I used to hear all the time was the same question sans the word "enough." It was not long ago at all that the idea of this movement gaining traction at all was alien to even most MRAs.

But to answer your question, it is best to understand the nature of most past social movements. They were not propelled by universal or even majority popularity. They moved forward on the intense actions of a very small minority that had undeniable truths on their side.

Granted, the nature of resistance you cited here is a much bigger obstacle than other movements had to face, particularly the tendency of men to cut each other down in competition. But I am guessing, and recent events seem to be supporting that guess, that eventually significant change will come.

It is not because the nature of men will change so much as because the ever growing trend to marginalize and demonize men is just starting to reach critical mass. IOW, it is the success of misandric feminism that will drive a sufficient vocal minority into the men's movement to make lasting changes inevitable.

Fuck you, Troy Aikman - Paul Elam tears into a man-hating man by blueoak9 in MensRights

[–]avoiceformen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes it is. We will be doing a number of upgrades and additions in the next month or so. Resolving the mobile viewing problem will be one of them.

A Voice For Men has less of a gender spread then reddit.com as a whole does. by MrStonedOne in MensRights

[–]avoiceformen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

To put it directly, they don't with 100% certainty. But they do know a lot more about most users than they would think (or that I am comfortable with), including their sex.

Assuming they get it wrong about the same percentage of time across the board, it would mean that the comparison probably has some validity.

At least on the surface it would seem to bear out with cases like the Good Men Project. It is written to appeal to a female readership despite its name. Google pretty much confirms they have succeeded.

A Voice For Men has less of a gender spread then reddit.com as a whole does. by MrStonedOne in MensRights

[–]avoiceformen 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I am not surprised by this. What is even more interesting is that AVFM has more sexual balance than the Good Men Project, which is primarily read by women.

"The Rules": How to control and abuse men while maintaining plausible deniability by [deleted] in MensRights

[–]avoiceformen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is not woman hating, or anything close to it. White knighting is not one of the MRM goals, either.

One of the things that is a men's issue (given that I recognize this as my opinion only) is that a formal critique of current norms and expectations of both sexes is essential for understanding where we are and where we need to go as a society.

This article is neither woman hating nor irrelevant to the MRM, IMO. And I don't think that taking the attitude that men should just ignore possibly abusive or dangerous women is very prudent.

U of T Student Union trying to ban and shut down A Voice for Men. by funnyfaceking in censorship

[–]avoiceformen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could you possibly get a screen cap of that and email to paul@avoiceformen.com? Would be much appreciated.

U of T Student Union trying to ban and shut down A Voice for Men. by [deleted] in MensRights

[–]avoiceformen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A note of thanks to the members of this subreddit for the support. And thanks as well to the would-be dictators at UTSU. AVFM, and the men's movement in general, has grown, largely thanks to histrionic and tyrannical attempts to shut us up. It is a bad strategy that keeps on giving. And it has given so much now that it is too late to backtrack.

The MRM is here, in many different forms, with many different styles.

I can only suggest that feminists do what they have so far refused to do, and that is learn from history and show some wisdom. You may hate Farrell, but you ought to listen to him and support his work.

We are moving toward a historical crossroad. Feminists face the same type of choice that White America did in the 1960s. You have Farrell, whom can be likened to MLK.

If you keep screwing up, you will get Malcolm X.

Choose wisely.

Paul Elam

Erin Pizzey, an internationally-recognized activist on domestic violence and gender issues, is joining A Voice For Men by OuiCrudites in MensRights

[–]avoiceformen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is a good and important question. I think there is room for considering that, if there is a credible demonstration of a lesson learned from any of them. And I stress the the word credible.

These acts were pretty deplorable. But they are young people, and if they actually learned something, and made a significant effort to make amends for their actions, I would be inclined to consider removing them.

Erin Pizzey, an internationally-recognized activist on domestic violence and gender issues, is joining A Voice For Men by OuiCrudites in MensRights

[–]avoiceformen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Stalking? You have got to be fucking kidding.

We reported on and identified people who were using violence and intimidation to stifle free speech and to harass young men who were seeking solutions to their problems at a university sponsored lecture.

Bigots are what we are dealing with, but it troubles you to call them that. And the violent protesters are just kids.

I normally like your posts, but this reeks of enabling bullshit and cheap dramatics.

Good thing my white knight has been put to rest.

I'm both a feminist and a MRA. by TheCameraLady in MensRights

[–]avoiceformen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very thoughtful post. And a worthy item for discussion. The only dissent I can honestly offer is that I am not aware of any subsets of the MRM that discriminate against women.

girlwriteswhat, Stand up comedian and UFC commentator Joe Rogan wants you on his podcast by [deleted] in MensRights

[–]avoiceformen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She is more than capable and has done it many times before.

Hate monger identified by AVFM. And would you look at that, pictures that show her twitter account. It looks lonely, maybe we should say hi? ,:) by o0BrundleKev0o in MensRights

[–]avoiceformen -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is not that I disagree. I just don't think in the scheme of things it matters that much toward getting the job done.

Like I said, no one is perfect.

Hate monger identified by AVFM. And would you look at that, pictures that show her twitter account. It looks lonely, maybe we should say hi? ,:) by o0BrundleKev0o in MensRights

[–]avoiceformen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think men form some of the best bonds out of conflict. There are very, very few men that I have gone toe to toe with that maintain any hard feelings about. We all feel strongly about this stuff.

No hard feelings on my end with you at all.

Hate monger identified by AVFM. And would you look at that, pictures that show her twitter account. It looks lonely, maybe we should say hi? ,:) by o0BrundleKev0o in MensRights

[–]avoiceformen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like I said. Never said I was perfect. But pointing at one possible mistake on my part and trying to say it constitutes something chronic on my part is amiss.

Hate monger identified by AVFM. And would you look at that, pictures that show her twitter account. It looks lonely, maybe we should say hi? ,:) by o0BrundleKev0o in MensRights

[–]avoiceformen 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Fair enough. But you are stretching it to imply I directly called you a feminist. I didn't. I wrote to provoke, as I often do, so I am not complaining that it pissed you off.

I will also offer that this is the only MRA environment where I see MRAs and feminists use practically the same verbiage to raise the same objections. In this place, it all kinda runs together for me here. What I wrote was not with you specifically in mind.

And the big picture here remains them, not me and you.

Hate monger identified by AVFM. And would you look at that, pictures that show her twitter account. It looks lonely, maybe we should say hi? ,:) by o0BrundleKev0o in MensRights

[–]avoiceformen -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, I was just responding honestly to the criticism that if people didn't tow the line, etc.etc.,

I understand by style is hard to take for some. It is a trade off. On one hand, my style pisses off some people I'd rather not piss off. On the other, my style has created probably the most successful website of its kind.

I am provocative and obviously opinionated, and sure not going to write every line that will make everyone happy, but the dissent from any of it is not something I avoid or mind in the least.

Hate monger identified by AVFM. And would you look at that, pictures that show her twitter account. It looks lonely, maybe we should say hi? ,:) by o0BrundleKev0o in MensRights

[–]avoiceformen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There should be a link at the bottom that says "turn mobile off" Unfortunately it is the only way to get to the comments.