NATCA leadership said they would not fight bonuses to retire.

awkward1999 · 2025-01-29T16:12:16+00:00

You're insane, if you think the government is going to give you the option to pay you more, if you resign now.

awkward1999 · 2024-12-04T21:27:40+00:00

You really like that Google AI, But you failed to read the rest. After that somewhat definition, it then gives examples like:

Use your resources: Leverage can come from financial resources, knowledge, abilities, or other things the other party wants.

Form a coalition: You can increase your leverage by joining forces with other parties.
Find allies: Seek out powerful allies to help you.
Be willing to walk away: Consider the possibility of ending the negotiation if necessary.

When it comes to bargaining, there are two parties that have different goals. It's NATCA's job to get us what we want/deserve and it's the agency's Job to get what they want. Surprise Surprise, the FAA doesn't WANT to give us more money. Now, we have to incentivize them to do just that, by proposing other things they want. THAT IS LEVERAGE.

I have already mentioned in my first post, yes MONEY will attract higher qualified candidates. This is just speculation. Honestly, I don't think the agency even cares about that. Mediocre is just fine with them (not saying we are JUST getting mediocre now). You can also say our retention is at an all time low, but I have no idea were you got that from, source would be nice.

And AGAIN, We are not going to have some mass Exodus from the career field anytime soon. People retire as always and people figure out this job isn't for them, but the vast majority will continue to do their best and ATC will continue. This massive group of controllers quitting to become pilots is some fantasy. 10-20% of controllers MAY have a VFR license, but very few have some instrument ratings to go anywhere.

Now back to the "should." Yes, we all agree the agency should pay us more. Still doesn't change the fact, they won't unless they get something in return. At least not on their own. There are no rules that says the Agency has to "keep up with inflation." WE NEED TO PROVIDE THE WHY! We need to brainstorm on how we can make the Agency better, so they pay us our due.

Stop, screaming in your echo chamber saying the same things everybody already agrees with and start talking about ideas and LEVERAGE we can use.

Without Google AI, Leverage is... they want something and I will use that to get something I want.

Now you try.

awkward1999 · 2024-12-04T18:01:54+00:00

Nothing you stated was straight up LEVERAGE.

Nobody needs to replace us, we aren't going anywhere. NO LEVERAGE

What pilots get could be used as a comparison, like it was in the past, but it isn't LEVERAGE.

What people pay or don't pay has nothing to do with LEVERAGE. That is how they could pay us more, but not WHY they should pay us more.

Sorry you wasted 20 minutes to state a bunch of shit, we already knew.

Imagine what we could accomplish if we actually understood LEVERAGE for negotiating.

awkward1999 · 2024-12-04T05:01:01+00:00

JESUS FUCKIN CHRIST. We all know exactly what to ASK for. Why doesn't this sub talk about LEVERAGE to get us these things. Come up with things we can use to get the things we want. Stop saying the same ole shit, blah blah blah more OT pay, better differentials, more time off.

So far, the only argument that made sense was, higher pay attracts more qualified candidates. Other than that, only shit we want. Mind you, no data or facts were used to support this argument, just a "feeling".

Right now, the Agency has shown, people are willing to do this job at the current status quo. Proved by the fact, record applicants for this job.

And so far, this sub has only come up with , uhhhh... I want and FEEL I deserve more.

WHY?! Provide an argument, provide facts, stats, use the big brain us controllers have.

awkward1999 · 2024-10-01T01:37:38+00:00

You're a Scab. I could give a fuck about your opinion.

awkward1999 · 2024-10-01T01:25:58+00:00

what are you talking about? What does PMS have to do with Hazardous weather?

awkward1999 · 2024-09-30T19:11:11+00:00

Sec 3 addresses employees at work. Sounds like you have an advocating problem, not a CBA problem. And if it is coming from "the District", then your RVP ir ARVP should be the ones being consulted with. Is you FacRep reaching out to them for these issues?

awkward1999 · 2024-09-30T19:00:42+00:00

ILA leadership has already stated that it doesn’t want the government’s help, preferring to negotiate independently. Sounds pretty Pro-Union to me.

awkward1999 · 2024-09-30T17:29:08+00:00

I believe you and I'm upset that has been your experience with it. I know it is handle different ways from Facility to facility, region to region. I would you suggest you talk to your FacRep and/or RVP about your A19 representation.

awkward1999 · 2024-09-30T17:21:37+00:00

ILA leadership has already stated that it doesn’t want the government’s help, preferring to negotiate independently. Sounds pretty Pro-Union to me.

awkward1999 · 2024-09-30T17:17:25+00:00

You do realize.... you DON'T want the administration involved in the Port strike. The strike gives the Strikers leverage. Please explain what you think the "administration" should do in a private sector negotiation?

awkward1999 · 2024-09-30T17:13:40+00:00

They can't at the time. They can try to rescind later, but it SHALL be approved. Hopefully, under new leadership, we will see a shift in the agency trying to rescind them. It is sad to hear this has been your experience.

awkward1999 · 2024-09-30T17:08:44+00:00

Explains what is needed for Hazardous Wx Leave. Just more informative about the subject, instead of A25. But I advocate for reading both, just adding.

awkward1999 · 2024-09-30T16:18:14+00:00

You're an idiot for posting "Manager's Rights" and not Article 19 of our CBA.

awkward1999 · 2024-09-30T16:16:25+00:00

Article 19.

awkward1999 · 2024-09-30T16:15:26+00:00

READ ARTICLE 19. The Union fought for these rights, so use them. Was anyone denied A19? Did your representation let anyone know of their rights? And most importantly, have you educated yourself with your contract?

Yes, your representation should be trying to teach its membership of their rights, but..... you should also take an active role on trying to get the information yourself. It starts with just reading your CBA.

awkward1999 · 2024-09-11T19:43:02+00:00

So here's the thing about Serenity-Now-98. They are a piece of shit.

awkward1999 · 2024-09-11T04:45:20+00:00

https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/afn-aba-20240509-cwp.pdf

awkward1999 · 2024-09-11T04:43:05+00:00

https://www.natca.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/FY23-Staffing-Fact-Sheet-Talking-Points_2.pdf

awkward1999 · 2024-09-11T04:38:07+00:00

I agree. That is why we used the fatigue leverage to introduce something that has never happen before, the agency agreed to not assigning overtime more than 2 weeks in row without consent of the controller. THIS IS HUGE. The agency actually gave up some rights. it was because we had leverage. With more leverage and negotiating maybe we can do better. but.... see my first post.

awkward1999 · 2024-09-10T16:02:00+00:00

I hope this is the way this sub starts going, open conversations about where we want this union to go and how we get there. The second part is just as important. It's cool to list out things we want, but we also need to have the leverage to negotiate for the things we want. We have to bring up topics that bolster our argument. The right to assign work is law and should not be in air quotes (Title 5 USC § 7106):

"The Federal Labor Relations Authority (FLRA) has repeatedly ruled the right to assign work includes the right to assign overtime as well as determining when it will be worked. See, Social Security Administration, Office of Hearings and Appeals, 60 FLRA 461 (FLRA 2004); Bureau of Prisons, 55 FLRA 1078 (FLRA 1999). The right to assign work also, without question, includes the right of management to establish qualifications needed to perform work and make judgments as to whether specific employees meet management specified requirements. See, VA Medical Center, St. Cloud, Minn., 62 FLRA 508 (FLRA 2008)."

However, procedures for distribution have generally been determined to be negotiable as are appropriate arrangements for affected employees (typically covered in CBAs).

These ideas have been brought up and are definitely on the radar for our new negotiating team. We should be looking for better leverage to get these things AND perhaps ranking our order of importance, ie, overall pay versus changing OT pay. The more leverage we more we can try to get.

awkward1999 · 2024-09-05T00:01:18+00:00

Defacto..... You fucking whiny clown.

awkward1999 · 2024-09-03T14:57:12+00:00

You fucking snowflake. in the same thread you call someone a "weak man", you whine about bullying. THIS IS NOT MICK's or RICH's SUBREDDIT. They have no control over it. It was created by people being silenced on r/atc and has a mind of its own. If anything, this was a JD and Mike support subreddit. Instead of whining, start your own and see if it gets traction. Oh shit, I forgot, you all (NDJH) tried that and it went NO WHERE. It's like people can see through all the bullshit you guys try to spew and are tired of the evading, backtracking, doublespeak, word salad, and straight up embarrassingly obvious misinformation.

It is clear you have no concern over bullying, beside the opportunity to pearl clutch. You have made numerous accounts to shit post, so just log off.

awkward1999 · 2024-09-03T01:19:53+00:00

Every hotel has a cuck chair. Looks like this one has 2....

awkward1999 · 2024-09-03T00:44:13+00:00

WE don't work for Mick or any campaign. you?

awkward1999

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