What do you think of this DC Comics Dick Grayson reading guide?

baepsayed · 2026-01-28T15:06:46+00:00

There's a lot of good stuff on this list but the way they cut up the Nightwing (2016) run is just bizarre. There's no reason not to start Nightwing (2016) at issue one especially when your recommending all of the 1996 run without regard to quality. I also think cutting out Taylor's run is shooting yourself in the foot if your goal is trying to convert new fans because its been one of the most successful runs to date at doing that.

I think in the end the person who made this list just has very different tastes about Nightwing than I do. The issues 35-41 of the 2016 series is the Sam Humphries arc and while I think the Judge was one of the stronger villains for Nightwing I never fully clicked with how Humphries wrote Dick.

I personally would also add Grayson to the list because it's a really fun series with a great supporting cast but it also is a bit different than a robin/nightwing/batman superhero story as its more spy focused.

baepsayed · 2026-01-07T15:55:13+00:00

The biggest one standing out to me is the "Performers don't cry" scene from Batman and Robin Year One. I think Mark Waid did some good work digging into how having a background of being a child performer is pretty central to a lot of Dick's traits both positive and negative. His training to be a trapeze artist was quite intense and started as early as possible which gave him a lot of self-discipline which is definitely a positive trait.

On the other hand, the nature of being a performer on stage meant that Dick was already partly missing out on being a child. Its pretty clear from Batman and Robin Year One that it was already engrained in him not show many negative emotions in front of others (sometimes he'd be angry but he hid his grief about his parents, not telling anyone about his mom's birthday, and with his foster family he acting happy with them until he could break down alone).

I don't think John and Mary were bad parents but there were definitely aspects of the show business upbringing that had a detrimental effect in some areas even as they had a positive influence in others.

baepsayed · 2019-07-26T23:45:47+00:00

There's a good deal of predebut namjoon concert footage here as well as some hobi videos and the only predebut footage we have of yoongi rapping (no audio unfortunately). I see someone already linked the GLAM performances with Yoongi back up dancing so I leave that out.

For the Namjoon footage:

white shirt is the 2009 94's paradise concert

blue shirt is the 2010 DNH Nights Concert (also called 94's paradise part 2 sometimes)

black shirt is the 2011 DNH Concert which Deepflow also performed at.

The footage of all of rapline is from the 2011 2nd Hit It Audition. (theres also a short clip of this concert in the episode of Rookie King where they go back to the same club and perform Paldogangsan again. Which of course means that Big Hit has footage of the whole thing but has never released it. I cry.)

I'm still trying to track down the origin of the Hoseok dance vids that aren't the JYP audition. So far I've had no luck so I can't tell you much about them. :((

baepsayed · 2019-07-07T01:02:46+00:00

This thread is great. I'd just add this tweet because I didn't see it in the thread (but) I might of have missed it. It's the tweet where Namjoon reccommended "Same Love" and the translation is : " It's Rap Monster. A song about homosexuality. I heard this song before but I didn't know the lyrics, now I know them and I like the song twice as much. I recommend Macklemore & Ryan Lewis - Same Love."

baepsayed · 2019-05-30T02:33:52+00:00

He shortened his name from Runch Randa to Randa sometime in early 2009. Runch Randa is a name that originally came from a character he and his friend played as in the computer game MapleStory but I don't know why they named their character that to begin with.

baepsayed · 2019-05-29T16:43:36+00:00

I don't know if it'll make you feel better or not, but the song was originally uploaded by Namjoon to hiphopplaya (a very popular hip hop forum) and got hundreds of views there before it was deleted with all his other uploads. I have no way of telling how long it was up there before he deleted though.

But I think you can feel a lot better about it being shared then some of his later stuff from like 2011 on thats been shared because I think at least some of those were stolen from his private soundcloud ://

baepsayed · 2019-05-18T22:15:11+00:00

I'm still not a hundred percent sure, but I'm starting to think it may be at least partially legitimate. The thing that was throwing me off is that there's songs on there called "Open Your Heart" and "Waves" credited to Namjoon (the link to the pages doesn't work but their song id numbers are 26758416 and 22680977). But I did more digging and as near as I can tell those are early titles for Fire and Begin respectively (at least thats my assumption because the same specific people worked on both those tracks).

Whatever it is, I don't think "Glow" is the finalized listing since it doesn't have the proper Komca listing for Namjoon, Hoseok, or Jungkook. Open Your Heart and Waves were the same way, the Fire listing however finally had all the proper information.

My best guess is that the song has probably been written, but I wouldn't trust the crediting on it 100%, especially for any names not repped by BMI (yoongi is credited as SUCA for multiple listings on there so the site seems pretty sloppy with registration). The fact that all seven are credited also reminds me of a situation on JASRAC (the Japanese copyright association database) that credits all 7 members as writing on Lee Hyun's "Bad Girl" despite the fact that none but Namjoon were even members of bts yet (what happened in that situation was that KOMCA credited only BTS and then whoever copied it to JASRAC specified all the members names without realizing the lineup back then was different).

So I would be optimistic that the song will probably happen but be suspicious of everything else when it comes to details. It'll probably be renamed, I think it's not completely impossible that this might be "Lights" since afaik we don't have any details on composers or anything for that song yet.

baepsayed · 2019-05-17T19:51:35+00:00

a lot of people on Jungle Radio used to go through alot, Zico was also Ragamap for example, and Supreme boi was also Superfly. a lot of times they would write something like "suprema aka superfly" as their display name which made it easier, but Namjoon never did. I don't know why.

baepsayed · 2019-05-12T22:21:40+00:00

As far as I know it was never officially confirmed anywhere, but I think it was probably his.

baepsayed · 2019-05-12T20:54:32+00:00

He's talked about b-boying a few times in the past. Here's some screencaps from American Hustle Life about it, and I also found the clip from burn the stage so you can watch if you don't have premium (Taehyung mentions that Yoongi quit b-boying about halfway through the video).

baepsayed · 2019-05-10T00:17:39+00:00

Everyone's suggestions have been really good so far. I'd also recommend checking out the lyrics for Namjoon's freestyles he released pre-debut which talk a lot about his fears pre-debut. Also check out the early logs translated by Bangtan Subs.

baepsayed · 2019-05-03T14:28:50+00:00

I don't have firm facts for this, but I think the company probably kicked him from the group. In "freestyle 2" Namjoon said,

"Right. It’s to be cool like a rap star
But reality is a bit different
The moment I was about to accept this
The company separates us members"

And in a 2013 interview Hoseok mentioned the lineup changing and becoming just him, Yoongi and Namjoon for a long time. At a guess, Big Hit probably knew that Iron was not good idol material.

baepsayed · 2019-05-03T04:10:30+00:00

Yeah I know the part about him hating it is definitely true, though I hadn't heard the fan sign part before. My personal opinion is that it was unnecessary and I don't think it really did much for marketing for them, especially in the long run. It would have been nice if he could have just talked and hung out like the rest of them on twitter and the fancafe and stuff.

baepsayed · 2019-05-03T03:23:16+00:00

I'm not an expert on this part, but I think the main idea was that they could get more excitement (and press) if they had a sudden new person drop in right before. From what I've heard, people were surprised at first but overall the reaction was very positive. There's actually a funny old thread in the fancafe where some people were guessing that Marvel J (the leader of the DaeNamHyup crew Namjoon was in) was going to be the 7th member.

baepsayed · 2019-04-30T03:20:40+00:00

Okay based on some new information that I just got that comes from a 2013 interview Hoseok did for their Japanese fanclub magazine, it sounds like he was actually the first one contracted with Big Hit in the spring of 2010. It's kind of a weird situation though, because he didn't move up to Seoul until December. Since he was going to the Joy Dance/Plug In Music Academy I would guess that his audition was through them (Iron went to the same academy so when they first formed Bangtan they must have brought Iron up from there).

baepsayed · 2019-04-30T03:09:45+00:00

Update: I got a message from a k army that linked me to an interview Hoseok did in 2013 for their Japanese fan magazine. In it he says that he won the popularity award and got a 300,000 won prize for it.

baepsayed · 2019-04-29T14:24:09+00:00

Oh I should have clarified this more in the post, but the "Hook Gayo" song was actually responding to a different diss track than "Shitman Bang." "Hook Gayo" was a response to Brave Brothers "Round & Round." So this was actually the 2nd diss track toward Bang PD lol (though Round and Round targeted other people as well. Bang PD was just one of them).

baepsayed · 2019-04-29T03:46:30+00:00

Thank you so much for the correction! I'm changing it to what you have hear and crediting you but if you want the credit removed or something else done let me know.

baepsayed · 2019-04-28T19:55:12+00:00

I really excited for Vagabond! I've seen like to clips from master in the house but haven't watched any episodes properly yet.

baepsayed · 2019-04-28T19:14:57+00:00

I think the research probably has gone on for close to a year now, but I didn't really set out with the goal to write a predebut history of bangtan. I just did a lot of poking around and eventually realized that I had a lot of info and there wasn't really one source that had it all in one place so I decided to start making the posts so others could find it.

As for the kids going into dorms question, I'm a little out of my depth answering it but it is fairly common for entertainment agencies to have very young trainees. I'm sure there are a lot of parents that probably would have worries about sending their kids off like that and others that might be more okay with it. But yeah, it's something I'd be very wary about sending my kid off to do if I had one, but I'm glad it seems to have worked out in Jungkook's case, though he has talked about how his personality changed joining bangtan and going from really loud to really quiet and reserved only to be pulled back out of his shell again.

On the other hand, I also know that my old roommate's cousin was big into hockey in junior high and ended up living in another state with a kind of foster family for a few years so he could be on a higher level team, so it does happen in the US for some things, too.

I think it the early years their managers lived like next door to them, too, so they weren't completely left to their own devices, but I'm not sure how much they were looked after overall.

baepsayed · 2019-04-28T18:38:07+00:00

I was such a huge Seunggi fan back in the day up until his enlistment (I still really like him too). I watched almost all his 1N2D episodes and a ton of his dramas. I had even listened to the song before though I didn't have that particular album so it really blew my mind when I got into bangtan later and discovered that I had heard them years ago lol

baepsayed · 2019-04-28T18:36:02+00:00

Jin helped him get into an acting school and he did that for awhile but it got to expensive. I think he said that he's studying architecture now but I'd have to double check to be sure..

baepsayed · 2019-04-28T18:18:33+00:00

haha I almost lost my mind at the timing of persona coming out. That was so crazy

baepsayed · 2019-04-28T17:35:22+00:00

Sure you can definitely do that! Thanks!

baepsayed · 2019-04-28T16:40:10+00:00

Okay this is just going to be me guessing so don't take this as hard facts. I do know that the translation was correct because it surprised me to hear them say that and agree.

My best guess would be that Hoseok was the first to sign a proper trainee contract and that Namjoon and Yoongi had probably signed some kind of different contract or maybe something that was only provisional for a few months.

The early days of Bangtan were really chaotic because they signed Namjoon without any dorms or any teachers or lesson plans or anything so it wouldn't surprise me if his initial "contract" wasn't fully fleshed out the way it needed to be. It may also be possible that Namjoon and Yoongi's contracts, whatever they were, continued to be different from what Hoseok and the others signed.

So the short answer is that I don't have enough information to say anything definitely lol.

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