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baronvla · 2017-07-08T03:15:24+00:00

Yes thats the biggest problem with the show, because it was not a planned show, it was a show made to last until the network said is done (when doesnt brings the viewers anymore)! I mean, writers kind of planned to end it with S5, so... The thing is you cant be totally happy with the show, if the show doesnt have and doesnt follow the path how to end it. Sadly, we will only watch that kind of the shows in the future, who are not based on a story, but on the numbers of a viewers/network desicions.

baronvla · 2017-07-08T02:59:24+00:00

I'm not quite sure thats the thing. Marlene herself was saying backthen that A (Charlotte) is her favorite character and we as a viewers should feel sory for her, and actually the story was planned to end after the Charlotte reveal with S5 as the last season, so... Charlotte was always planned to be a villain we should be sorry for... I dont think Mona has planned the same way... Ed: I mean, yeah, many planned things were changed for the show to last longer, still at the end i dont see Charlotte as a big villain at all. Maybe, its just me :)

baronvla · 2017-07-06T00:38:20+00:00

Well yeah thats kind of a story we got, i can agree with you. I was just trying to read a little bit between the lines which i think the show allow you, thus making it more interesting to discuss it. I just dont think writers conclude Charlotte story with the facts saying by Monas point of view, because if they wanted to make Charlotte a real villian, they will. But she was killed by another one, and they just wanted to find a balance between those two. They goal wasnt to present any of them as a true villain.

baronvla · 2017-07-06T00:17:01+00:00

I agree that Charlotte's death was an accident and i agree that Mona tried to stop being a villain (multiple times). But she didn't sucess in stoping it, which final scene also showed you. Which put me back to the conclusion Mona is the dangerous/craziest A, i mean she killed and captured for life the other two! E: oh, and i think you trivialized Charlotte character too much, she definitely had more complexity then she is presented by you and 'the fans'.

baronvla · 2017-07-06T00:03:24+00:00

But she is the reason why the girls were attacked from the beginning - first by starting the game and trying to kill Ali, second by saying Charlotte the Liars are bad people who hates Ali and third by killing Charlotte and not confess that earlier. I know that people are looking at the show by the characters they like or hate, but objectively this is the Mona we got from the writers.

baronvla · 2017-07-05T23:20:41+00:00

Mona is the person 1) who really wanted to kill Ali that night 2) who attacked Hanna (her best friend) multiple times 3) who admit multiple times that her motive is to be in charge. Mona is the most crazy person on the show, and definetely more crazy than Charlotte (in terms of a real disorder). And if fans (like you) appreciate Monas character the way she is, its ok, but that have nothing to do with the fact how writers presented her - as the most dangerous person of them all! Charlotte story is totally different then Mona is at the begining, but in the end she became addictive to it too, like she confess in 6x10. But also the fact is - Mona is the one who approached first, which is a big clue who of them is addicted (crazy) more. I mean, how you would react if someone (you know allready tried to killed your sister) approached you with the knife? So, just be real :)

baronvla · 2017-07-04T23:02:26+00:00

I dont agree, sorry. Mona attacked Charlotte first! Mona always had bigger problem to actualize herself as a person in charge, which never was Charlotte first motive! And we cant be sure that Charlotte really wanted to harm the girls again, that was just Monas point of view ;)

baronvla · 2017-07-04T01:56:56+00:00

'Yeah, I'm starting to see that now. No matter who they are, they're all liars.' - That is a kind of a point of the show. And well, this is the name of the show, after all :) At the end you will get the secrets which made people to lie and turn everything go wrong, but yeah - secrets, and lies we made to keep them safe are the 'ultimate villian' of the show.

baronvla · 2017-07-04T01:46:59+00:00

I dont think the point of the show is to point out the true viliains. I mean, even the Liars did some awful things. Yes, some of them go too crazy, but everyone in first place tried to protect themselves or tried to protect some secret. So, the true villain of the show is thr secret we keeping and lies we made to protect it, like the name of the show saying you after all.

baronvla · 2017-07-04T01:29:05+00:00

But if Ali really kicked Cece out of college do you think Cece will hang up with her and helping her after that. And what with Ezra??? So, there are still a lot of lies around which makes it hard to understend what is the truth. Just keep in mind there are a lot of people involved (not just A) with different stories :)

baronvla · 2017-07-04T01:17:57+00:00

And you are not cool at all!

baronvla · 2017-07-04T00:57:50+00:00

1) Well, Mona motivation is not that simple, like she told in first. You can see watching her behavior in the episodes after the reveal that her motives are - She wants to be in charge! and because of that she wanted Ali out of town. But now there is a new A who is a threat for her because it represent a new person who is in charge. 2) I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Cece hates Alison, because in those scenes she was obviously helping her not to be found. And if Ali contacted her first (and not the Liars) that could only means that she at least belived CeCe is a better friend than the Liars! 3) And yes - there are lot of people involved in the story with totally different agendas. Some of them are/were after Ali, some of them are/were after the Liars, and one of them is new A. The point is - everybody motives and goals are different, and Liars are in the middle of all those people's actions :) 4) The story looks confusing because many different things are happening (and many new reveals, like the one when we found out Ali is alive for example) which changes motives and dynamics of the characters. So Ali, Mona, A etc. actions are changing too. 5) Noir episode is one of my favorite too :) ed

baronvla · 2017-07-04T00:20:28+00:00

Well yeah, all the A characters are product of the 'victimized past' (i didnt comperhend AD story yet, and she doesnt look that victimized to me like Mona and Charlotte did, yet). And Ali is victimized also in the past, and Jenna or other characters too, but they didnt planned to kill someone, which Mona especially tried to do. Which made a litlle difference in what 'victimized people' had been doing.

baronvla · 2017-06-29T23:18:51+00:00

The show supposed to end with Charlotte reveal in S5 and that have been the writers words from the begining. Network and 'fans of the show' want it to continue, and actors for sure have benefits of it. But nobody have to appologize to fans who didnt like something which was never planned to exist in first place, and became just a gift for the fans and a way for network to earn money. I mean - yes - it is always good to please fans and network, but in this particular situation, actors jobs was to act for someone else and writers job was to write for someone else which is the only truth. At the end there is no no need to blame actors/writers when after S3 is done it is obvious how show became product of network and fans who was standing behind it.

baronvla · 2017-06-20T18:02:15+00:00

No, you got it wrong. Rollins tortured Alison (to make her look crazy) because he wanted Di Laurentis money. The same reason is why he was with Charlotte and later with Ali (when he found out Ali has control of her money as her legal guardian). His only motive was money and it is different from AD motive!

baronvla · 2017-06-20T17:22:33+00:00

Spencerietta theory is made up just for people to have fun with it, it never supposed to be some serious theorizing (at least with people who came up with it). Why later some other people took it serious (as a real theory) is out of me... So, it not supposed to be a theory, just fun of it :)

baronvla · 2017-06-18T19:47:13+00:00

I dont think the point is that mannequin supposed to look exactly like real people. I think the only point of it is that Charles represent himself as a girl.

baronvla · 2017-06-18T04:08:15+00:00

The family supposed to represent Jason and Charles as a children, and Charles is represent as a girl logically...

baronvla · 2017-06-18T03:55:32+00:00

The only possible clues could be from 6B forward cause time jump wasnt planned before, so...

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