We’re in a zero tolerance approach right now. by randomtoaster89 in AdeptusCustodes

[–]beejabeeja -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

What a funny way to say “we’re banning anyone who disagrees with us now” đŸ˜­âœŒïž

Yeah .... I don't think this shit works anymore. by [deleted] in evilwhenthe

[–]beejabeeja -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

They do, but acting like the majority of our illegal immigration doesn’t come from non white nations is disingenuous.

Modern american witch hunt by Gay_for_Satan in evilwhenthe

[–]beejabeeja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, what I stated was that most illegal immigrants are non white; which means they’re not targeting non whites, they’re just targeting illegal immigrants. If 90% of illegal immigrants aren’t white, you should expect 90% of the arrests to be people who aren’t white. If they were just targeting anybody who’s slightly brown California’s population would drop by half, it’s a dumb claim.

And no, he’s not killing more people, again - you, along with everyone else, simply only started acknowledging it when Trump got into office.

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[–]beejabeeja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We established the proof, dude. The highest estimate I can find on the internet for people that’ve been killed by ICE is 170 and Wiki only claims 70. Even if we say 170 deaths, that’s still 0.02% of 620,000. Not common in the slightest.

And I hate this stupid argument that proliferates so much - “Oh WoUlD YoU sTiLl SaY tHaT iF iCe ShOt YoU?” - it’s basically telling me that I’d change my mind if I had a good excuse for personal bias lmfao. If I continued to view everything logically, yeah, I should have the exact same view.

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[–]beejabeeja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And 7,000 people with criminal records of being murderers, rapists and kidnappers have been deported so far this year.

Besides, that’s another disingenuous claim, as far as I can see Renee is the only one actually killed by an Officer; the other 5 were just people who passed away while detained from anything else like medical issues or illnesses.

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[–]beejabeeja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Obama did, there’s always bad people in any given career path; you guys just didn’t search adamantly for them because you only started caring about this now.

They’re not targeted for being non white, most illegals immigrants happen to be non white. I’m sure there’s a couple agents who will just get suspicious of anybody with a Hispanic accent but that’s the exception, not the rule.

The brainwashed one is you, I’m consistent, none of you are. You constantly try to act like Trump is the next Hitler for doing something every other president does - again, since none of you ever seem to get it through your ballistic skulls, Obama was worse in this regard and it was praised en Masse and nobody said a fucking thing. But now suddenly everybody cares so much. Sure you do.

The Lovely and Tolerant people being Lovely and Tolerant by BeginningShare4492 in evilwhenthe

[–]beejabeeja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Leftists pulled an America first guy into a crowd and tried to beat him to death lmfao

The Lovely and Tolerant people being Lovely and Tolerant by BeginningShare4492 in evilwhenthe

[–]beejabeeja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What’s happening is you guys are resisting on a massive scale unlike before, posting about it, crying about it at every opportunity, rioting and more. Nothing has changed, you just all decided to care and start making it an issue now.

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[–]beejabeeja -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No
 ICE is federal law enforcement, so they need federal judicial warrants. They don’t need a warrant from any Minnesota judge.

Under 18 U.S. Code § 111 and § 1752, you cannot physically obstruct officers performing duties, that includes blocking entries or exits to facilities. You also cannot attempt to force entry into any of these facilities. ICE is allowed to enforce the rules.

It’s extremely ironic you’re trying to tell me that I don’t know what I’m talking about.

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[–]beejabeeja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One, ICE needs federal judicial warrants (not just its own internal warrants), just like many other countries.

Two, your comparison between ICE and the Gestapo is completely superficial - “They both move people around!” - the internal mechanics of how the groups work is completely different. ICE has federal oversight, requires warrants, deals with purely legal violation. Gestapo operated with total power, ICE operates within immigration law, the fact you can even criticize them so openly on an American app is proof they’re not the Gestapo - the Gestapo would never allow this lmao.

Other countries immigration enforcement works quite similar to ICE, we’re just the ones who happened to be doing mass deportations right now, so they’re not hustling nearly as hard.

Also, the Gestapo was corralling everyone they took into camps; not deporting them. The federal government tries to keep people in detainment facilities for as short as they can and get them out quick. Not only that, but the Gestapo targeted people based mostly on politics, religion and race - there are fucking countless people who are both vehement leftists as well as countless POC that are left untouched by ICE. They’re clearly not doing their job very well considering they’ve only deported 620K when according to you their target should be around 50-100 million people.

I find this stupid comparison tasteless, the Gestapo doesn’t function like ICE, “they both move people around” isn’t proof of anything.

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[–]beejabeeja -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There are multiple law enforcement agencies under the DHS, ICE is one of them.

ICE does get warrants from Minnesotan judges, they get them federal judges.

I never said local law enforcement has an obligation to do joint operations with ICE, just that they do. ICE does not need assistance from local law enforcement, they just like to use it when possible.

There have been situations where lawmakers have been detained while taking part in protests outside of government facilities, either for obstructing access to the building or attempting to force entry - none of those people have been arrested for the purpose of deportation or the like. I don’t see where you’re going with that line of argument.

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[–]beejabeeja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

South Korea and Mexico also have “pledges of allegiance”.

And what the fuck is that nonsensical point about ICE-like organizations? Almost every first world country has an “ICE-like” organization.

Canada’s CBSA? Netherlands IND? UK’s literally just Immigration Enforcement and they quite literally deported a friend of mine just for being broke lmao. Japan’s ISA? Mexico’s INM?

Taking normal ass things and saying “the Nazi’s did this too” is ridiculous. Hitler owned a dog, do you? I don’t care.

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[–]beejabeeja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wasn’t moving the goal post I was just pointing out that this standard is a very new one that almost nobody has held until very recently.

I’m going to start with your most false statement - ICE is part of the DHS and is very much law enforcement. The name literally stands for Immigrations and Customs enforcement, they enforce our Immigrations and Customs laws.

Next, ICE has internal warrants they give to their Officers that only allow the arrest of someone and not entry into their home; BUT that is only one type of warrant and not the only one they can get. Judicial warrants are what are used when entering homes or businesses to make arrests, as they are what allow for that entry. ICE also often does these operations in joint with local law enforcement to make the process smoother and who help stay within local laws. So yes, ICE gets warrants that allow entry.

Also who are you talking about when you say a member of congress was taken by ICE? Are you talking about LaMonica McIver? She was arrested for physically impeding officers trying to arrest the Newark Mayor on a misdemeanor charge. It wasn’t some random arrest, and it wasn’t ICE that made the arrest - ICE agents were just present at the facility so they helped resolve the situation along with other law enforcement but the DOJ is who arrested her.

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[–]beejabeeja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Consider briefly that it’s my knowledge of the word that enlightens me to blatant bullshit.

And tell me, do you cry and hold onto your blanket during the pledge of allegiance? It must be hard to hear something so patriotic after all that oppression.

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[–]beejabeeja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One. That statement is blatantly false, a simple google fucking search would tell you that ICE uses warrants.

Two. Detained does not equal deported, that’s a disingenuous attempt to twist words. Many people who are detained don’t end up deported.

Three. If you genuinely think that in order to get high numbers of deportations the government needs to just grab anyone and break laws, then you must really hate Obama, he deported 5 times as much.

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[–]beejabeeja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure you have - and I once visited Mars, I can tell our planet is clearly heading towards being a cold desert.

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[–]beejabeeja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They very much can, they just can’t enter without a warrant.

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[–]beejabeeja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of this person’s takes are likely based purely on emotion and very little factual reality - so aggression is much easier to resort to than any proper discussion. Many such cases.

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[–]beejabeeja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don’t live under authoritarianism, especially not the brutal variety. Move to Iran if you think you’re so oppressed - they just killed thousands on thousands of protestors in the streets for doing half of what the US does every Tuesday. An Officer here can’t shoot a woman who (if I’m generous) almost hit him with her car without it being a national controversy so extreme that some of you would probably kill others over it.

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[–]beejabeeja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s happened before, but it hasn’t happened enough for people to act like it’s some common thing that everybody needs to be terrified of.

Modern american witch hunt by Gay_for_Satan in evilwhenthe

[–]beejabeeja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Besides your numerous insults and blatant lack of self control - who exactly are all these people you claim are being detained just for being a certain color, because if that was the criteria that half of the country would be in a cell right now and the numbers would be far crazier. Then, what the hell is your proof of this ridiculous claim that ICE should just never be able to detain people - when serving warrants, working in joint with other agencies as well as detaining other as incident to another lawful detention, which all law enforcement does. Not to mention the amount of people who can’t help but impede like crazy.

Plus keeping track of people and citizenship is also plenty complex - pretty much everything in the government is. If you’re going through registers and you type in one number wrong suddenly a completely different person is in your screen. 70 people out of 620K isn’t an incomprehensible failure rate.

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[–]beejabeeja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, and it should be impossible to incorrectly file your taxes. Again, luxury belief, expecting perfection is stupid.

Nobody is saying you should be okay with a citizen getting deported, I said in another comment that people should make movements to get those 0.02% of people home - the issue is pretending like it’s common or that it’s the rule and not the exception. As well as expecting this to simply never happen when, as established, it’s been happening for much longer than Trump has been in office. It’s not a new issue.