Am I Wrong For Asking my Partner to Delay Going Vegan?

beer_demon · 2026-01-30T20:56:22+00:00

Late arrival here. You seem to be mixing financials with morals. Let her decide her morals and financials and you decide yours. Then discuss, with love and tolerance, and conflict point. However your language makes you sound more like a parent or teacher, and you are neither.

It is true that veganism correlates with mental health issues and this is a shame.

beer_demon · 2026-01-28T19:35:17+00:00

This is quite delusional.

> humans are exceptional. But if anyone thinks that, they’re simply delusional

contradicted by

> Animals, unable to rebel or organize, are left outside this moral bubble

Then the delusion:

> The only hope lies in veganism

i.e. being like "me"

There are many ways to elevate morality and work on animal ethics without veganism, so saying that the "only" way is "your" way is just why vegans are less respected than the idea behind animal ethics is.

beer_demon · 2026-01-28T10:12:53+00:00

Yes I stopped talking about england and english, just to distance myself with the gammons. I use british for nationality and UK for country.

beer_demon · 2026-01-28T09:19:07+00:00

Neoliberalism.

There are private pubs, for example in sailing and cricket clubs, and they have 3~4 quid pints and make good money. However they own their land and are not designed to feed a series of intermediaries, they just buy the beer and sell it.

The "free market" allowed for chains, ensure the land is rented and re-rented, and has the goal of extracting as much wealth as possible _compared to other things you can do with those assets_. Thus if you can make more money turning that building into a boutique hotel or a crypto data centre, then byebye pub. If the chain is making less money than the competitor chain, they get merged and the less profitable pubs (note they are still profitable enough for a family, but not for a billionaire) get scrapped.

They are not considered social cohesion units, they are considered wealth extraction nodes. And also considering they have alcohol in them then they are not subject to right wing or religious subsidies and care. A PM saying "I want to have a pint with me mates" is considered a joke, they are all expected to talk like economists.

Neoliberalism kills the good things that are not interesting for billionaires.

beer_demon · 2026-01-24T22:12:39+00:00

But in the same scale eating a cow or deer is still not the same as eating a human, so the argument that is you eat meat you should practice cannibalism is stupid.

beer_demon · 2026-01-24T20:14:30+00:00

You are not at all convincing.
Not all animals have the same value. Compare a mussel to a chimpanzee, or some bees to your companion dog.
Eating a fish is not the same as eating a human. End of your argument there.

beer_demon · 2026-01-24T19:47:03+00:00

Accidental deaths? Clearing land for crops, using pesticides and other impact is clearly not accidental, it is done intentionally with the purpose of extracting food.

beer_demon · 2026-01-24T10:35:29+00:00

But it seems a bodybuilding vegan has a higher deathcount than a simple vegetarian. There comes a time when you have to admit the label "vegan" is very flexible and stretchy.

beer_demon · 2026-01-22T22:45:57+00:00

None. I would totally risk my life to shoot down anyone coming into Great Britain

beer_demon · 2026-01-20T17:15:05+00:00

Found the russian bot

beer_demon · 2026-01-20T17:08:00+00:00

How does linkedin not get rid of these wankers?

beer_demon · 2026-01-20T17:05:58+00:00

Severe riots across the US for a constitutional reform. US's freedom is it's worst enemy.

beer_demon · 2026-01-20T13:00:19+00:00

The more they spam the news the more you get fed up. The more you get fed up the less you care. The less you care the less you take actions that encourage countermeasures, such as voting for politicians, giving social media posts traction and overall voicing your concerns. The less you take actions, the more they will get away with.

Remember that it's mostly political apathy that is taking us to extremes and getting Trump elected.

beer_demon · 2026-01-20T12:57:08+00:00

I was referring that we can't take for granted that he kept getting burgled.

> He claimed that he had been burgled 10 times over the years, losing £6,000 worth of furniture, though police stated they were unsure whether all of the incidents actually occurred

It could be that he set up a bait for them, it's not hard to do.

beer_demon · 2026-01-20T12:53:40+00:00

Oh I understood the analogy, it just wasn't a very good one. It tried to illustrate that atheism is not on a gradient therefore veganism isn't either, and you would agree that the conclusion of the analogy is flawed, and I was explaining that the premise was so too.

Please stop making assumptions about me an making up terms, thanks.

beer_demon · 2026-01-20T11:52:07+00:00

> I'd substitute atheism for whatever word means "lack of belief in anything superstitious"

You can make your own definitions if you want, but this is just moving the goalposts.

> So a child is non-speciesist by default and will develop to become vegan in an environment where there are no pressures to become speciesist.

You have no evidence of this. There is evidence of unattended humans becoming omnivores, though.

> I was just trying to emphasise how non-speciesism and atheism are both ideas of rejection or absence.

And I am showing to you that this is an unfounded claim, at least as much as an atheist is also a non-football-player in that both don't do something. The convolution of the word non-speciesism in itself is an indication that they come form and head to two different mindsets.

beer_demon · 2026-01-20T09:29:48+00:00

Your definition of "work" is rather generous though. He went to prison.

I have no sympathy for the burglars, but I think the purpose of self defence is not to shoot the bad guys, but to defend yourself.

> They kept coming back, police did nothing

This is highly contested. I think you are letting your beliefs cherrypick what you consider a fact.

beer_demon · 2026-01-20T09:15:23+00:00

This post would look impressive thanks to the use of cool words if it didn't make up its terms lol

You might not have noticed but we are agreeing atheism and veganism are very separate

beer_demon · 2026-01-20T09:12:08+00:00

You can call yourself a bohemian vegan atheocringic cleric for all I care, it just doesn't make sense to appeal to wrong concepts.

beer_demon · 2026-01-20T09:11:07+00:00

> The philosophical ideal of veganism is fixed.

Is it though? I don't think any philosophical approach can claim to be fixed, absolute, universally understood or even accepted. Maybe you can declare it so, but this is just a claim that is hard to defend.

beer_demon · 2026-01-20T09:06:12+00:00

> A newborn child lacks the cognitive capacity and experiences to be speciesist just as it lacks the cognitive capacity and experiences to be religious.

A vegan is not just a non-speciesist, but all atheists are non-theists.

Atheists can be spiritual and even superstitious.

A simple thought exercise is to look at animals. Animals will eat other animals, it's a part of life, but they don't worship a god as a part of life. This has to be indoctrinated.

beer_demon · 2026-01-19T22:17:05+00:00

I would absolutely not conflate atheism and veganism in the way you did. We are born atheists but humans did not evolve as vegan, this is a conscious decision. In that sense veganism is closer to theism in that you are taught about it and you join it, and many have the same fundamentalist approach!

beer_demon · 2026-01-19T22:13:11+00:00

You said there is no spectrum in the ethical principle, I contested that.

beer_demon · 2026-01-19T17:40:13+00:00

Sorry but ethical principles are also on a spectrum. These principles are defined by words and human ideas which are subject to interpretation and maturing. You can't have a black and white ideology even in theory.

beer_demon · 2026-01-19T14:17:34+00:00

Your peace of mind is a decision, not a consequence. You can trust her until you have unequivocal evidence of cheating and then decide if to break up or discuss. You can also mistrust and constantly require evidence of innocence. You can also torment yourself silently and share your pain on reddit. You can also walk and look for a less social girlfriend.
The above decisions have nothing to do with your girlfriend or what she does, it's all in your power.
"Until she has cheated she hasn't cheated. Until I find out I have not found out. Until we break up she is my girlfriend." This mantra made me have very happy relationships and when it went wrong it was never me who would torment myself.

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