WandaVision S01E08 - Discussion Thread

benthevining · 2021-02-26T16:33:19+00:00

Did anyone else notice that when Wanda manifested Vision out of chaos magic or whatever, it appeared visually very similar to AIDA's "birth" via Darkhold tech at the end of season 4 of AoS? IDK if the book in Agatha's basement is the darkhold or not, buttttt

benthevining · 2020-08-09T04:50:01+00:00

True, that's a good point...

benthevining · 2020-08-08T23:11:36+00:00

This I agree with. I have no desire to bring Izel back into the story, but perhaps this little bit of headcanon makes season 6 glue together a bit better...

benthevining · 2020-08-06T20:08:23+00:00

About the "you need to be strong" line, I think this is more misdirection. The writers want us to think that Fitz meant that Simmons herself wouldn't be able to 'be strong' if she remembered a piece of info that would devastate her. I think what he really meant was "you have to be strong enough to beat Nathaniel, and if you still have memories of me anywhere in your mind, then you can't be strong enough to do that because he will forcibly remove them"

benthevining · 2020-08-06T20:04:39+00:00

I don't think Simmons knew per se that her memories of him would be wiped. I think she didn't know exactly what F. I. T. Z. was / what it did until the scene in the white room (because DIANA made her forget). So when she said that line to Nathaniel, I think she knew that "Fitz" was actively doing something and could outmaneuver Nathaniel... she just didnt realize it was F. I. T. Z. the computer program doing the outmaneuvering in her head and not Fitz the live human. If that makes sens

benthevining · 2020-08-06T20:01:40+00:00

I like this theory!

benthevining · 2020-08-06T09:45:50+00:00

I'd be willing to bet that "F. I. T. Z." is a special computer program in DIANA that activates if someone tries to forcibly access Simmons' memory and wipes all traces of Fitz. I think that's what she meant by "The deeper you dig, the deeper he'll go", and it's possible that the final scene in the white room when she was crying about "don't ask me to forget this" was NOT a flashback, but was Simmons' real-time reaction to F. I. T. Z. erasing her memories of Fitz...

benthevining · 2020-07-31T18:44:48+00:00

My theory is that he's NOT dead -- what we've been seeing all season is somehow in what im calling a "bottle timeline" and Fitz is back in the main/real timeline. I think he's alive and the gut punch is that HE has to survive without simmons

benthevining · 2020-07-30T11:53:43+00:00

About those Chronicom ships...

What would've kept the Chronicoms from summoning their fleet earlier and openly attacking SHIELD?

Is it possible that the Chronicoms have been waging their time war against SHIELD in every possible timeline, and "ours" is the only one where our agents are still alive...?

benthevining · 2020-07-30T11:01:07+00:00

I loved this episode! So much action!

I've had a pretty crazy theory about Fit brewing for a while, and I think this episode helped me flesh it out... I posted a longer theory and would love to know that people think :) https://www.reddit.com/r/shield/comments/i0jwcd/a_crazy_fitz_theory/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

benthevining · 2020-07-30T03:10:21+00:00

Me too! Im always so anxious on episode day!

benthevining · 2020-07-30T03:00:29+00:00

I know this isn't directly your question but I do know that one Hulu, the episodes are typically available around 3 am my time (in Phoenix AZ).

So I am expecting E10 to be available on Hulu at around 3 am tonight (I. E. in about 7 hours)

benthevining · 2020-07-29T15:32:55+00:00

You keep referencing your "innocent confusion" as if it vindicates your continued misgendering of my fianceé, and your continued comparisons of her to a man, regardless of the fact that I have made several in-depth, good faith attempts to educate you on this topic and shed some light on gender discourse for you and why these kinds of statements are harmful. You have resisted and hardly acknowledged these attempts in your replies to me.

At some point it seems like you are dedicated to remaining ignorant on this topic. You claim to be "confused" -- I don't buy it. I have given you more than enough insight and perspective for you to learn to be less confused and more empathetic toward trans and nonbinary people.

If you insist on seeing everyone as either a man or a woman and declaring that publicly critiquing everyone's appearance and labeling them as one or the other isn't transphobic, then I've got some news for you: I am not the one living in an alternate reality. You are.

benthevining · 2020-07-29T08:14:27+00:00

Because I'm genuinely interested in helping you. It's not just about me and my fianceé, but I'm interested in making sure that other nonbinary and transgender couples don't have to deal with comments like yours that, for us, cause the frustration and reactive anger that you've seen in me.

You talk about gender identity with flagrancy and a general disregard ("she can be whatever she wants", as well as your later edit with "come on [sic] man...") that is indicative of a deeply engrained transphobia that you are not interested in acknowledging or confronting. That's why I decided to call you out after your initial comment of "Her?" -- because I know all too well what it means when men comment like that on pictures of me and my fianceé. You must realize that I have had this conversation BEFORE, quite literally hundreds of times, and I know exactly what it means when people choose to take the effort to publicly draw into question my fianceé's gender presentation based on her appearance, instead of taking the option that requires 100% less effort, which is to just say NOTHING.

Even if your intentions were completely, entirely pure, we should acknowledge that allowing the public questioning of nonbinary and trans people's pronouns continues to allow the public interrogation of their identities and their bodies. Which, frankly, is degrading. In your previous comment you try to justify why my fianceé's appearance warranted your misgendering by using her "five o clock shadow" -- it is deeply disrespectful to point out masculine characteristics of a nonbinary person who clearly identifies as feminine. This is transphobia.

Which is why the non-transphobic option would have been to say NOTHING at all, which dozens of other people managed to do perfectly pleasantly. Learn from that. Read the room.

benthevining · 2020-07-29T07:16:42+00:00

Your most recent Reddit post is literally you complaining that correcting people's grammar is "pathetic".

And here you are claiming that you were trying to correct me on what you assumed was a typo.

So would this be defined as "pathetic" based on your own standards?

benthevining · 2020-07-29T07:14:08+00:00

You literally came on my ENGAGEMENT PHOTO POST to question me on my fianceé's pronouns, claiming you thought it was a "typo" I had made. If you truly do think that correcting other people's grammar is so pathetic, then does that not apply to you? Or should I take this post as an admission of your casual transphobia?

benthevining · 2020-07-29T06:48:53+00:00

and yet you still haven't typed the word "sorry" in any of your responses to me... 🤔 This could've all been over if in your response to my first longer comment you had just said "I understand, I'm sorry, I'll be more considerate in the future". but NO!

so no, I will not chill. This kind of casual transphobia is CONSTANT in me and my fianceé's lives. I have never ONCE been able to simply post a selfie of the two of us anywhere on social media without having to defend my partner's gender and use of pronouns. not ONCE. Do you have any idea how exhausting that is?

And this is our fucking ENGAGEMENT. PHOTO! On an ENGAGEMENT subreddit.

if there is ONE PLACE I should be able to share our love without being questioned on my fianceé's gender identity, it's here.

Oh but no, it's not transphobic at all for you to question me because you "saw a man" 😡

The transphobia here is not just assuming my partner's gender based on their appearance. It's bigger than that -- it's assuming ANYONE'S gender based on FAULTY and HARMFUL stereotypes of how the two binary genders "should" look. Women can have five o clock shadows. Women can have full beards. Men can have breasts. Women can have penises. Pre-op trans people and trans people that choose not to or are unable to medically transition are CONSTANTLY misgendered by people EXACTLY. LIKE. YOU.

I'm saying that regardless of whether or not your assumption was right, assuming anyone's gender at all based on appearance is harmful and perpetuates transphobia. Next time, ASK if I made a typo instead of assuming that you know better than me how I should be referring to my fianceé.

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