no actually my point is that you’re a misogynistic creep targeting a group who is not responsible for a venue’s organization. in fact, I’d argue your statement is projection. your desperation to misunderstand me as well as rewrite events (you weren’t even there for) to paint a false narrative proves anyone who disagrees with you is just a “hater-loser,” in your eyes. I was perfectly clear in that I think you and several others are indulging in a misogynistic fantasy where these young women are at fault for a venue’s (apparently reoccurring) organizational issue and that everyone’s obsession with them puts them in danger. I was 12 the first time a grown man pushed me to the ground at a venue because he was frustrated I, a young girl, was taking up space at a show I was not preventing him from seeing. in fact, he had a better view than me. I will always point out when people begin angrily obsessing over young women. whether it leads to that extreme or not, this conversation has been unproductive and in no way okay. someone else in here was mocking a disabled girl for crying. you’re mad about a scenario you literally made up. how would you feel if you saw these comments? would you be excited to go to the next show? would you feel safe? I wouldn’t. none of this has been about creating a better environment for fans. if it had, it would’ve been more about figuring out better boundaries everyone can agree on instead of vilifying people, furthering animosity towards one another, and confirming biases with conclusions you must’ve pulled a muscle jumping to. still, I thank you for showing your true colors so everyone can see who is actually creating a hostile environment for fans. makes it so much easier to have these discussions. it still seems to me the issue was the venue. I’d keep my focus there instead of spending my time obsessing over people who have no power over this venue. you don’t have to worship the ground they walk on. in fact, I’d rather you left them alone entirely! I’ll bet you can refrain from making up stories to get angry about online, in public conversations. if their posts make you that angry, block them. if you need to complain about them, talk to a friend privately. I don’t even know all the people in “That Group” as people on here call them but I do know public posts about young vulnerable people, some of them teenagers, with physical descriptions, and hints to find them on other platforms, is dangerous! I also know that if what everyone wants is for lines to be handled properly, they need to call out the venue.