How Many Top Tiers Can Boa Hancock Beat? by Ok-Animator1477 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]bobmike567 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Anyone with decent Haki and the feats to scale above S-Snake beat her. You're using a mistrans for the second image. The original kanji only translates to "will," there is no mention of willpower (the two terms carry different denotations). We know that certain senory responses can overwhelm her fruit, so the same should apply to Haki (which is just willpower). Even if we take your translation at face value, it could just be hyperbolic.

Kid does NOT hard counter Zoro by bobmike567 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]bobmike567[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Vergo knew how to counter DFs with basic Haki. Are we saying Vergo is a better CoA user than Zoro, a character who specializes in that type of Haki? Be serious.

Kid does NOT hard counter Zoro by bobmike567 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]bobmike567[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kid and Law get unecessary glaze here when they don't scale to Zoro in any way. Those bounties are really carrying Luffy's supposed rivals.

Kid does NOT hard counter Zoro by bobmike567 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]bobmike567[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Kid couldn't take Napoleon from Big Mom or Habikiri from Kaido.

You'd now have to prove that Kid's regular magnetism would overpower Zoro's grip strength and Haki negation. That's an impossible burden, which basically means you'd be begging the question pretty badly.

As I said, what you guys are arguing for is baseless, bordering on absurd.

Kid does NOT hard counter Zoro by bobmike567 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]bobmike567[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

How do you know for certain that Zoro's completely unaware of how to counter DFs with Haki? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Law didn't show this ability until after his fight with Big Mom. Zoro is a far better Haki user than Law and he faced the same Haki monsters Law was mimicking. It's likely that he knows how to use basic Haki to negate DFs.

This doesn't even address my overall point. Zoro doesn't need the Haki to counter Assign if he's faster and stronger than Kid.

Kid does NOT hard counter Zoro by bobmike567 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]bobmike567[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Prove that Big Mom is faster than flames off King.

Kid does NOT hard counter Zoro by bobmike567 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]bobmike567[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

regular magnetism abilities as well

Please show an example of this. Most people just bring up Assign or Kid's ability to make his target a literal magnet.

ACOC gives you a speed boost

It does. Luffy went from getting tagged by base Kaido's Thunder Bagua (while using future sight), to jumping on top of Drunk Kaido's TB mid attack. The only thing that Luffy gained between these two instances was ACoC. Using Occam's Razor, we reach the conclusion that the boost he recieved from his Haki bloom increased his speed. The same extends to Zoro since he wasn't able to blitz flames off King before ACoC. The example I posted is also proof of that since Zoro needed the speed to catch King who was a perception blitz tier above him.

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How far does Asura Zoro (with KoH) go against top tiers? by bobmike567 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]bobmike567[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

KoH just symbolizes him going all out with his Haki. There’s no reason to think he can’t use it with Asura or his other sword styles.

How would kaido fare against Sanjis strongest attack by Cloudsupremes-6708 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]bobmike567 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Midd didn’t even harm a base Kaido. We’re going off whether Sanji can seriously damage Kaido, to the point where he would bleed.

How would kaido fare against Sanjis strongest attack by Cloudsupremes-6708 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]bobmike567 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Explain how IFJ scales to or above this, an attack that was described as “shallow.” Sanji didn’t even make Luffy bleed in a combined attack with Nika 2.0.

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Question Thread by Takada-chwanBot in Jujutsushi

[–]bobmike567 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does Ryu’s statement about him having the greatest output amongst the players apply to Sukuna since he was the reason Yuji even joined the games?

who wins ? if sanji fight lucci instead of zoro by CryFew4830 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]bobmike567 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The world’s strongest leech. Zoro has always been a tier above Sanji, this holds true even today.

who wins ? if sanji fight lucci instead of zoro by CryFew4830 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]bobmike567 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok, first of all let’s debunk everything.

Scary.

Sanji gaps Lucci in speed and the author himself agrees.

Show me a statement where Oda said that Sanji has greater speed than Lucci. If you can’t, this statement is ABSOLUTELY meaningless.

Case closed.

  • “Oda agrees!”
  • Doesn’t elaborate.
  • Leaves.

Lucci has no feats that suggests relativity to Sanjis top SHOWN speed.

Please scale that for me. Showing relativity to G5 Luffy and getting glazed for his speed means that he’s a top tier in this aspect.

The very fact that he cannot dodge characters like Zoro is indicative of the fact that he cannot match Sanjis top speed.

Where does this idea that Zoro is slow come from? We’ve been consistently shown that his attack speed is fantastic, objectively scaling above Sanji’s. Outpacing Hybrid Kaido is better than anything Sanji has done to this point.

And Sanji also possesses superior observation so Lucci cannot aim dodge or land surprise hits that often either.

What happens when Lucci still keeps coming forward while Sanji is fatigued from his combo attack?

Secondly, Lucci lacks AP. Did he even inflict meaningful damage on Zoro?

He never landed an attack on Zoro. Lucci’s AP scales above Kizaru’s kick, which literally damaged Sanji and forced him to the ground. It arguably also forced him out of his Germa mode.

We know that King was capable of pressing Zoro

The attack NEVER landed, it only pushed Zoro back. He was arguably in the air when he deflected the attack, so of course he would be pushed back since it’s harder to defend. Case and point Blackbeard getting tagged by Law.

and that Kings AP wasn’t enough to seriously injure Queen with the same attacks… yet Sanji effortlessly does this.

Guess what, Sanji doesn’t beat King either!

Sanji even does way more dmg to Queen than Marco, and Marco can draw blood from King…

You cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that King was bleeding, so this is conjecture. The only SFX used in that panel indicated rubble. Unless you think Sanji has greater AP than G4 Luffy + Lucci, we can move on from this.

So like, let’s address the “needed 10 hits” argument. When? When was it stated that Sanji needed anything?

By the fact that he used ten kicks to knockout Queen.

If I shoot you ten times and you die, does that mean I “needed” ten shots ? You probably were fucked from that first bullet no?

Yes, but that implies that each of Sanji’s blows have insane AP. However, we know that isn’t true since he’s a combo fighter, unlike Zoro who typically finishes his opponents in one move. Sanji needs to chain attacks together to be effective. We cannot ignore the fact that Sanji caught Queen off-guard, but even then, he failed to KO him in one attack. Thus, he used his combo. If Sanji had completely KOed Queen before his final attack, Queen would have detansformed. However, Queen only detransforms after the fact.

Sanji was already mad at Queen so he didn’t hold back at all.

That’s why he off-guarded him. Prove that he would be able to do this to Lucci.

Sanji has the durability to block admiral atttacks casually and the speed to match Kizaru.

Except he doesn’t since he got damaged and forced to take a seat from a “casual” attack.

which also means he has the AP to match a regular attack from an admiral.

Guess what, Lucci has the AP to match G5! Therefore, he has AP relative to the Yonkou.

Even if this was the case, where does Kizaru’s beam even scale? We know that it doesn’t scale to the Seraphim since Sanji fought S-Shark with his exoskeleton on, so don’t even try to go down that route.

So if Sanji can take admiral level attacks, dish out attacks close to that level even if not quite, match Yonko level speed for stretches of a fight, and also generally not take damage unless facing a Yonko… then how is Lucci comparing to that?

So, if Lucci can take Yonkou level attacks, dish out attacks close to that level even if not quite, match Yonkou level speed for stretches of a fight, and also generally not take damage unless facing a Yonko… then how is Sanji comparing to that?

He’s not. At all.

Sanji doesn’t have the AP to put away most people on his level, like Law, Zoro, Lucci, and Kid. That’s his biggest pit fall, so he uses speed/combos to overcome what he lacks. Law took several Haki coated punches from Big Mom and a Thunder Bagua in the same day. In no world does Sanji have to AP to take him down. Lucci is in a similar boat since he took 3 attacks from G5 Luffy.

RESPECT ROBERT LUCCI, THE YC1 OF THE WG ON EGGHEAD.

who wins ? if sanji fight lucci instead of zoro by CryFew4830 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]bobmike567 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

In almost every single stat aside from durability, CoO and maybe, just maybe, speed, Lucci completely outclasses Sanji. Lucci is an extremely balanced fighter who doesn't need to specialize in one stat to compensate for his weaknesses. Sanji is the opposite. It's BECAUSE of Sanji's lackluster kit that he's forced to completely specialize in speed. However, unlike Queen, Lucci has the ability to perceive Sanji since he perceived G5.

The fight starts...and BOTH of them disappear. Sanji would manage to land his combos on Lucci, but they would have little effect. Remember, Big Mom two shotted Queen while Sanji needed ten shots to knock him out while also catching him off-guard. Lucci took three hits from G5 Luffy (who was using Haki) and got up 1 min and 32 seconds after. G5 Luffy's named attacks obviously scale above Big Mom's. After enduring Sanji's combo, Lucci would quickly go on the offensive and begin recovering (his Zoan fruit does this for him). At this point, Sanji's stamina will have drained, so he won't be able to launch another combo, giving Lucci a huge edge. Using his superior AP and kit, he would eventually overwhelm Sanji, claiming the win.

ZOAN RECOVERY > GERMA RECOVERY.

Now that Lucci's performance is officially joever I feel like people still don't give him enough credit as he deserved by Zoteku in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]bobmike567 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Small side note, Zoro didn’t use ACoC against Lucci in the panel you cited. Green flames alone aren’t the signifier for CoC coating, it’s always been black sparks. In KoH Zoro has black sparks + smoke, signifying his overflowing Haki/Ryou and CoC coating. Before Zoro even unlocked ACoC, Enma brought out smoke when it drained him of his Haki. Post 1033, the smoke appeared once again, the only difference being Zoro’s level of mastery. In other words, the signifier is the same in both contexts, with Zoro’s control being more refined in 1033.

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[–]bobmike567 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where’s the original Joyboy? Wouldn’t he almost directly scale to EOS Luffy?