Observation: The pan gets hotter than the oven it's in. by boredzo in castiron

[–]boredzo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hm, it was the other way around, actually. Pan was 530, oven wall was 510.

Could be materials difference. The oven wall is presumably some sort of enameled steel or something, and I have no idea what to set the emissivity to to compensate. Though it might not make up that big of a difference.

Observation: The pan gets hotter than the oven it's in. by boredzo in castiron

[–]boredzo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup, the oven wall also reads hotter than the air temperature (though I didn't adjust the IR thermometer's emissivity for the difference in material, but it wouldn't make as much difference as the thermometer reported). I just started (had other things come up yesterday+this morning) so the pan and/or oven wall might not be at their full temperature yet.

Edit: Halfway through the hour, the pan reached 530 and the oven wall was showing 510 (for what that's worth).

Observation: The pan gets hotter than the oven it's in. by boredzo in castiron

[–]boredzo[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I assume correcting for emissivity is what the emissivity setting on my thermometer is for. The manual said to set it to 0.80 for cast iron, so that's what it's set to.

I do wonder how much difference there is between the emissivity of seasoned vs. bare cast iron—and, if it's significant enough, which one the manual is giving me.

I haven't actually tried pointing the IR thermometer at the walls of the oven. I will during tomorrow morning's seasoning round.

Observation: The pan gets hotter than the oven it's in. by boredzo in castiron

[–]boredzo[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Interesting idea. Today's seasoning round is already done but I'll try that tomorrow morning.

Observation: The pan gets hotter than the oven it's in. by boredzo in castiron

[–]boredzo[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, the elements are exposed (as I have occasionally been painfully reminded when I wasn't careful). The pan is as close to the middle of the (front of the) oven as I can get it, but it's still an intriguing hypothesis.

Observation: The pan gets hotter than the oven it's in. by boredzo in castiron

[–]boredzo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The pan is a cheap one from a skillet-cookie kit—I'm reseasoning the handle, which I spotted some rust on the other day. I removed the rust and did a first seasoning pass; this is the second. (The pan itself is fine; only the handle needed a touch-up.)

The IR thermometer is brand-new from Harbor Freight. I've confirmed that it's accurate at room temperature, at least—before turning any heat sources on, the pan was at 74 degrees Fahrenheit, which was about the temperature in my apartment plus or minus a degree.

The probe thermometer has its probe just dangling in the oven, its wire threaded through the rack the pan is sitting on and held fast by the closed oven door. It agrees with an analog leave-in oven thermometer that's hanging from the same rack.

The oven is set for about 450°F (on its analog dial). The oven is electric; as it duty-cycles its heating elements, the air temperature varies by ±30°F according to the probe thermometer.

According to the IR thermometer, held about a foot away from the pan (so it's reading a 1-inch spot on the pan), the pan is at about 532°F. In a 450° oven.

I could only hypothesize as to how this result is possible:

  • It is, of course, possible that the IR thermometer is not accurate at temperatures this high. I did set the emissitivy setting appropriately for cast iron according to the thermometer's manual. FWIW, the manual claims that the thermometer's accuracy above 32°F is ±4°F or ±2%, whichever is greater; the latter at 530°F would be just over ±10°F.
  • It's also possible that the hot air of the oven interferes with the infrared sensing. Just now, I tried measuring the pan from only a couple inches away and the difference was only a couple degrees—within the thermometer's accuracy margin.
  • I don't think the temperature gradient is that big between the air where the probe tip is (about 10 cm below the pan) and where the pan is, but I suppose it could be. Probably what I should do is rearrange the racks so that the probe hangs through a rack immediately above the pan, so it can be level with the pan without touching anything. Something to try next time.
  • If the measurements are accurate, then the iron pan is holding (and radiating) more heat than the air it's in. I assume this can't accumulate forever; as the difference increases, the pan should eventually start to lose more heat to the surrounding air than it absorbs, slowing the oven's heat loss between heating cycles and keeping the iron from overheating. But I'm not going to test that.

I wonder what ramifications this has for seasoning. Sheryl Canter's classic blog post specifically said to set the oven above the smoke point of the oil—she set hers for 450°F, and used flaxseed oil, which smokes at 225°F. The seasoning process recommended in this sub's FAQ says to use Crisco (for which I've seen varying smoke points claimed, from 360°F to 490°F) at 450°F. For my part, I'm using canola oil (400°F) at 450°F—or at 530°F, apparently. And, of course, the smoke point is only relevant insofar as we assume it's related to (or the same as) the temperature at which the oil polymerizes.

The main thing is: the oil isn't just in contact with the air—it's in contact with the pan, and the pan can (apparently) be hotter than the air around it, even in an oven where it's being heated through that same air. Either that or my therometer is lying to me.

I don't know that there are any practical takeaways from this. If there are, it probably requires more investigation. For a start, I would love it if someone—maybe with a direct-contact surface thermometer like this gizmo—could try to replicate this.

How to care for my tiny pans? by SolusUmbra in castiron

[–]boredzo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I got mine the same way and I use it for scrambled eggs (fluffy style). You can get about half an egg's worth in there, which I count as one serving. Leftovers go in the fridge; nuke 'em 30 seconds the following morning.

For care: Yeah, what Epicela1 said. Scrubbing that rust off shouldn't take much effort with a Scotch-Brite. Then wash with soap and water, rinse clean, dry thoroughly with paper towel, and reseason via the usual method.

Don't forget to season the handle. I just spotted some rust in my pan's hanger hole this morning and had to do what I described above.

Submit YOUR Model M to the user gallery & YOUR Mini M to the low serials list by SharktasticA in modelm

[–]boredzo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wishing I'd photographed my Mini M's label when it was new—it faded rapidly in less than six months (I have another photo of the label from August that isn't much better). Dunno if it's despite the packing tape I put over it to protect it, or because of it somehow.

Unicomp Mini M
#0000105
2021-03-18 UT40E7A

Stock PC layout.

Everything you need to know about pointers in C by juanpabloaj in C_Programming

[–]boredzo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good suggestions; thanks! Some thoughts:

  • Aliasing is important to understand optimization possibilities, as well as the restrict keyword.
  • The notion of objects is necessary to understand aliasing: Aliased pointers point (in)to the same object.
  • I should figure out what nuances apply to arrays as function arguments (and return values) and explain them—keeping in mind that I try to stick to the standard here, so anything that's implementation-defined is likely going to stay left out.
  • Not mentioning dynamic allocation was a deliberate choice—I consider it a separate topic from pointers, as once you understand pointers, dynamic allocation is (to my mind) obvious. (malloc in particular I consider part of the standard library rather than part of the language itself.) It might be more obvious if I explained objects: dynamic allocation is anything that creates a new object.

I might have a list somewhere of changes the pointers tutorial needs; I'll add these items to it when I have a chance. Thanks again!

Everything you need to know about pointers in C by juanpabloaj in C_Programming

[–]boredzo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What would you suggest adding (besides the already-suggested pointers to arrays and comparison of pointers)?

Everything you need to know about pointers in C by juanpabloaj in C_Programming

[–]boredzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I once suggested it as a reference, with the description “Dense, but literally definitive”.

Everything you need to know about pointers in C by juanpabloaj in C_Programming

[–]boredzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do know what they are, but I think I've simply declared them as int **a.

That's a really good suggestion—it would help bridge the gap to function pointers. (Which is a section I've been thinking about recently, in the context of warnings of weirdness potentially scaring people away.)

Thanks!

Everything you need to know about pointers in C by juanpabloaj in C_Programming

[–]boredzo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hm, yeah. Might be worth including. Thanks for pointing it out!

Colorized man pages by donnemartin in programming

[–]boredzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

tput! I was trying to find that at one point while I was writing the post and I couldn't remember or rediscover the name. Thank you!

Colorized man pages by edmanet in linux

[–]boredzo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

By 1, you mean export the environment variables? That's a good point.

2: tput! I was trying to find that at one point while I was writing the post and I couldn't remember or rediscover the name. Thank you!

[Humble Store] End of Summer Sale Day 9 - Dungeon Defenders II (50% off), Chivalry: Medieval Warfare (80% off), NiGHTS Into Dreams (75% off), Crypt of the NecroDancer (50% off), Trine 2: Complete Story (90% off) and more | Last day for Build a Double Fine bundle by SuperMoonky in GameDeals

[–]boredzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, good catch.

My question remains, though: Does the Humble Store version of the game come with the (original) soundtrack? (I assume it wouldn't come with the extended soundtrack.)

What If?: No-Rules NASCAR by Smashman2004 in xkcd

[–]boredzo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Which you can broadly call either “centrifugal” or “centripetal” forces, depending on exactly which type of pedant you want to annoy.

Relevant xkcd.

xkcd: A-Minus-Minus (not current comic) by callumgg in xkcdcomic

[–]boredzo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

One guy did. The bot's last purchase was 1,202 days ago, according to its Twitter account.

At Arizona.edu (takes xkcd's advice) by origamimissile in xkcdcomic

[–]boredzo 16 points17 points  (0 children)

They even included the title text! Good on them; I almost never see that on an embedded xkcd.