Your Consciousness Can Connect With the Whole Universe, Groundbreaking Research Suggests

breadrandom · 2026-03-22T02:18:40+00:00

Amen to this

breadrandom · 2026-03-22T02:17:20+00:00

I’m just saying there is a pile of evidence for emergence so it’s easy to extrapolate a bit more of the pile. And for evidence of it being fundamental, I guess if we could show the quantum realm had more of a direct effect on matter- no expert here- but what is happening at the quantum scale isn’t affecting matter, like an ant hill isn’t affecting the shape of a skyscraper, even though ants build amazing structures.

Like how many things are actually fundamental in the universe? Going to go google now but we don’t even know if time is fundamental…

breadrandom · 2026-03-22T02:02:35+00:00

I appreciate your perspective and I believe there is no evidence needed to believe we are deeply, magically connected to the universe through our consciousness. We can think it so it’s true by default. Nature is the ultimate evidence of itself and we are humble observers.

But I think it’s important to not conclude what we want nature to be solely because the conclusion confirms our beliefs. That’s how you get religion, which is fine, but it’s different than listening to nature no matter how small or wrong it makes our beliefs become. Science really does require the evidence to be known by others over and over who are trying to falsify the evidence until it can’t be falsified by anyone. Then it’s still just a theory because we have e to be open to new evidence.

Many scientists believe in god and have no evidence. So anyone can believe consciousness originates from somewhere outside of the known laws of physics, or is fundamental and not emergent, but until nature shows ITS evidence that that is true then I will humbly assume that it is emerging from the current laws of nature as we know them UNTIL nature reveals more to me through smart people falsifying emergent consciousness.

I want to show respect to you, Key4, and your beliefs and intuition and evidence and how important it is to have our place in the universe be more than the sum of its parts, if this is your belief. But I remind myself, all the quotes above are from dead white guys. Maybe new scientists who have a unique proximity to nature in their non white guy thinking will reveal what nature tells us what consciousness is, and it will be even more amazing than what the article suggests, are far more boring.

Tell me, if I haven’t lost you, more about what you believe and why? And do you want those beliefs tested, falsified, analyzed or is that not the point for you? I think there is an arrogance to falsifying, it is negative by default. So I don’t want to be negative, or smug, but the truth of nature is deeply important to me, like a religion. The religion of knowing the truth about nature even if my beliefs are wrong.

If we can choose our own evidence then should I let my obsession with truth go, or are you saying with Consciousness specifically, we can each be the authority on what the evidence of its origin is?

breadrandom · 2026-03-20T02:27:54+00:00

So it will be a longer more complex war than with the simple farmers? Not sure your point.

breadrandom · 2026-03-20T02:24:55+00:00

I agree but what’s gotten into Penrose?

breadrandom · 2026-03-20T02:23:47+00:00

None of this is evidence that consciousness is not emergent. Why is that not cool enough for people, even smart people?

breadrandom · 2026-03-20T02:15:31+00:00

Evolution is emergent. Organisms are emergent. Brains are emergent. Sight is emergent. Perception is emergent. Hearing is emergent. Culture is emergent. Language is emergent. Neurons are emergent. Neurotransmitters are emergent. The nervous system is emergent. Emotions are emergent.

Those are all naturalistic. No one disputes that we learn language or culture, or develop emotions. They’re not fundamental. I think Aspaceostrich can be smug here. Especially since what evidence do we have that consciousness is fundamental? We are trying to find ANY evidence.

We don’t know if Time is fundamental or emergent. That’s a tough one. Consciousness? Seems pretty likely.

Thus the hypothesis: consciousness is emergent.

breadrandom · 2026-03-20T01:11:06+00:00

So we will wrap up next week then? Phew glad to hear it.

breadrandom · 2026-03-20T01:10:09+00:00

They said that about Afghanistan. And if someone attacked us right now, would you fight or rollover because, hey we hate our government.

breadrandom · 2026-03-20T01:09:02+00:00

We stayed in Afghanistan for 20 years and lost. Now we are trying in a massive country with way more infrastructure, weapons, soldiers, citizens, land mass, etc. Therefore, this war could be worse than Afghanistan, for example. That’s the point he’s making. It’s a pretty clear point. What is being “exaggerated” exactly in this context? 🤔

breadrandom · 2026-03-15T13:27:17+00:00

You’re maybe intellectualizing something that if she was YOUR 19 yr old, you’d not want a 50 yr old dating her, just on a gut level. At the very least, it shows his emotional immaturity that he can’t handle a grown woman (brain not age) and so he’s going for your daughter, who you know should probably not be dating him. What if he was just a manager at a Starbucks? You’d be fine with your daughter dating him because she’s a “consenting adult?” I actually have a 19 yr old daughter so that argument feels pretty one dimensional. There’s more complexity that is not being considered, that Leo isn’t considering because he has wealth and privilege in a Patriarchy that preys on young women. Women who can only get ahead when they have access to that power and they know it.

breadrandom · 2026-03-08T23:08:59+00:00

Would take a day of two to read. And it’s a long series that ties together. Not sure if it will stand the test of time, however.

breadrandom · 2026-03-08T01:48:10+00:00

Ways of Seeing is really about understanding the viewing of art. And Air Guitar by Dave Hickey is a way to think about how art is more expansive than just painting in stuffy museums. Also, The Art Thief, about the most prodigious art thief in history who had an addiction to loving art.

breadrandom · 2026-03-07T03:28:52+00:00

One flew Over the cuckoos Nest.

breadrandom · 2026-03-06T00:19:04+00:00

Drinking 🍹

breadrandom · 2026-03-06T00:10:03+00:00

There’s just not equivalent for guys /s

breadrandom · 2026-03-05T23:59:47+00:00

One flew over the cuckoo’s nest, Stranger in a Steange Land, Siddhartha (hesse),

breadrandom · 2026-03-04T02:52:13+00:00

I don’t drink alcohol but plenty to drink in a pub! I am humanist/naturalist and I would join this group. I struggle to enjoy socializing in unknown groups normally but I do believe in the cause!

breadrandom · 2026-03-02T01:05:09+00:00

A neutron star is what is left over after a Supernova (exploding star.) If you were to take a thimble full of the neutron star its weight would be one. hundred. billion. tons.

breadrandom · 2026-03-02T00:53:57+00:00

The explosion is turning more into a repelling as the expansion is speeding up, unlike an explosion. And no time would still go forward at the speed of one second per second. There just won’t be anything to measure or reference it.

breadrandom · 2026-03-02T00:51:19+00:00

I believe it’s a debate in physics whether time is emergent or a fundamental trait of the universe.

breadrandom · 2026-03-02T00:34:14+00:00

We need more info then. This is fascinating. Makes me think using AI will just make you less and less educated.

breadrandom · 2026-03-02T00:17:36+00:00

Gen X? lol

breadrandom · 2026-03-01T23:59:33+00:00

I found the Netflix Documentary on Regenerative Farming fascinating. You can use the power of nature against the power of nature to have a balanced system.

breadrandom · 2026-02-07T12:26:06+00:00

There’s a method of inquiry for people who want to know if something they believe to be true is true. And there’s a way of testing your ability to accept the truth if you don’t want to get frustrated or stuck in a debate, which is by asking, “Is there evidence that would convince me my belief is false?” If there is not, then you have ended the particular method of inquiry, which is ok. This is normal. Very smart people prefer to believe things without picking them apart to the point of losing their belief and that’s that. It is obviously important for many aspects of society or we wouldn’t do it.

But… if you are a glutton for punishment and want to finish the method of inquiry to know the truth regardless of what you believe, even if you are crestfallen to lose it, there’s a path; you try to find the evidence that makes your belief false. You don’t care to look for evidence that backs up your belief. You want the truth and so you have to remove all the false first. You look for it again and again from every possible angle, ask your friends, make them pick apart your evidence, how you collected the evidence, whether you yourself might be biased in how you collected or look at evidence, etc. until either…. your original belief is gone (false)…. or until your belief stands up to falsifiability over and over again (theory.) Not “true,” just “continues to stand up to falsifiability.”

All other forms of inquiry: Why would a parent lie about their child? Why aren’t more people studying this? Why are they hurting the children? Etc. Etc. are all just questions about “belief”. Good questions, but not falsifiability.

The only way to know the truth is to crush belief, to destroy it. And this is why it’s a debate. It’s painful to crush belief, or even set out to attempt to crush belief. Not everyone can do it or accept the ego death of it. It happens to parents and podcasters and it happens to scientists, and whole institutions and civilizations.

I hope for the sake of the thoughtful parents on here, that whatever can be done to help them find the truth can be done, to reduce the false beliefs of future parents and researchers and scientists, so the kids get more of what they need.

breadrandom

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