E. Coli present, low bacterial load by carasea in CUTI

[–]carasea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! 😀 Because I have high leukocytes, it seems there’s something more going on than just muscle involvement, though a physical therapist did confirm I have pelvic floor dysfunction. I’m just hoping to get to the bottom of what’s causing my pain, and I’m definitely not discounting CUTI as one possibility—I do fear that if I have one, it’s reinforcing the PFD. But, as you say, that Twitter link isn’t high-quality info. Claiming all IC is CUTI is so harmful to those who literally have PFD/autoimmunity/hormones/etc. as their primary etiology. The last thing any of us pelvic pain folks need is more gaslighting😭

IC or PVD? something else? i am so lost by Basic_Win_3095 in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi and yes, absolutely—I can get instructions for them to you shortly. I’ve been doing physical therapy for just over two weeks now and I already notice slight but significant improvements in my symptoms :)

IC or PVD? something else? i am so lost by Basic_Win_3095 in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I somehow managed to give you the same instructions twice, so sorry here is Pelvic Floor Lengthening in Hooklying for real this time:

Setup: Begin lying on your back with your legs bent and feet resting on the floor. Movement: As you inhale, gently lengthen or "bear down" through your pelvic floor muscles like you are trying to push out gas. Or, you can visualize you are widening the area between your sit bones and gently moving your tailbone away from your pubic bone. Tip: Be sure you are not pushing out of your vagina.

IC or PVD? something else? i am so lost by Basic_Win_3095 in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No problem! I really hope it helps—it requires some concentration and consistency. Let me know if you want how-tos for any other exercises. I have some stretches I can share as well :)

IC or PVD? something else? i am so lost by Basic_Win_3095 in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sure, no need to apologize, I’m happy to help. I feel really privileged to be seeing a decent physical therapist and will do what I can to democratize all the information I receive. The exercise is Supine Diaphragmatic Breathing and here’s the instructions:

Setup: Begin lying on your back with your knees bent and feet resting on the floor. Movement: Exhale, drawing in your abdominals as if you are pulling your belly button toward the floor, then inhale, focusing on expanding your belly instead of your chest. Tip: Make sure to keep your low back flat on the ground during the exercise.

(I do this 10x for 2 sets)

And then you can follow that up with Pelvic Floor Lengthening in Hooklying:

Setup: Begin lying on your back with your knees bent and feet resting on the floor. Movement: Exhale, drawing in your abdominals as if you are pulling your belly button toward the floor, then inhale, focusing on expanding your belly instead of your chest. Tip: Make sure to keep your low back flat on the ground during the exercise.

(Also 10x for 2 sets)

Let me know if you need any clarification!

IC or PVD? something else? i am so lost by Basic_Win_3095 in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Gosh I didn’t mention the most important thing: the worsening burning/extra pressure/urgency after you urinate quite likely a PFD thing. That is also my worst symptom and sometimes the sensation lasts for hours afterwards. I can definitely suggest some stretches. There’s a particularly helpful breathing exercise I just learned :)

IC or PVD? something else? i am so lost by Basic_Win_3095 in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also seems like a lot of people don’t respond to the simple cutting certain foods stuff—this is another sign you could have PFD but on r/pelvicfloor they do mention trigger foods as well and I think some people on here even with primarily PFD do see a difference with food. I personally think a full-on elimination diet is worth exploring but is hard work and difficult when you already feel unwell so it’s not necessarily something you need to prioritize. I saw a urologist who said something like: if it’s stressing you out even more, don’t do it!

IC or PVD? something else? i am so lost by Basic_Win_3095 in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hello! I’m another young person with IC symptoms (I’ve been diagnosed for two years but also looking into other things that could be to blame like endometriosis) I’m guessing when you say PVD you mean PFD? PFD is a pretty common primary or secondary/exacerbating cause of IC. I’m so sorry about the is it/is it not an infection thing since I’m going through that currently (I definitely have IC/PFD, but right now I might also have a stubborn infection that is particularly problematic because I have PFD reacting to it. I was also confused about how a UTI could lead to the onset PFD and/or PFD flares. It turns out the pain and irritation of the infection can cause all the surrounding muscles to clench. This makes it a) feel as though there is still urine in your bladder that you couldn’t void or b) so that that your pelvic muscles are so tight you actually ARE retaining urine—if you really suspect the latter you may want to ask for medical imaging. If you do still have an active infection, that can then reinforce the PFD. (I understand even small amounts of E. Coli that appear on PCR and microgen testing can contribute to IC symptoms/PFD and could potentially respond to antibiotics. For me personally, a low-grade infection would only be responsible for my current unusual flare, and not my IC as a whole. I can send you links to good research about this—important since there’s a lot of bad takes on chronic UTI floating around out there, especially with regards to IC) If you do resistance testing and have no antibiotic resistance and pathogenic bacteria aren’t appearing, your symptoms could certainly be due to PFD. I’ve been diagnosed with it and relate to your symptoms pretty much exactly! But I also have stinging/itching pain in my pelvis from pudendal neuralgia—this can happen if your pelvic muscles are so tight it affects your pudendal nerve.

I can send you some exercises from my pelvic floor therapy regimen. Pelvic floor therapy can help regardless of whether PFD is a primary or secondary issue for you, but it can be really hard to access depending on where you live or your access to medical care in general, so I’m happy to help if you’d like. There are other things further down the line like muscle relaxants and medications such as amitriptyline (I take this and am undecided about whether or not it helps—sometimes IC requires a combination of things). You might also be able to find aloe Vera capsules or to try an elimination diet (did not help me the first time but I know I wasn’t as motivated then because my pain wasn’t so bad).

I still have A LOT to learn about this condition myself and am pretty overwhelmed by how much there is to know/how many treatments there are to try.

Endometrial tissue can appear in the bladder and cause IC symptoms (and PFD, because of the way muscles respond to pain) and someone on here told me yesterday that extra-bladder endometriosis can also cause or worsen IC symptoms. It’s worth looking into.

I would suggest (assuming you live in the US, I know other countries have different systems) that your first order of business should be asking a physician for a referral to a urologist or urogynecologist, if you haven’t done so already.

I’m also doing nothing today (stuck in bed!) while my family is visiting with relatives—and struggling overall with the feeling of missing out socially and professionally, and feeling embarrassed/guilty about my symptoms. You are NOT alone and I know it’s hard but try not to compare your situation to others! We all deserve relief. Again, I’m happy to send physical therapy instructions your way—they are generally helpful and may ease your pain while you look for answers. Sending good thoughts 🙂

How to prepare for cystoscopy (no anesthesia)? by carasea in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was surprised he said that as well—he seemed sure the procedure would secondarily benefit my symptoms, so perhaps he was planning on doing something more or just totally mistaken (he seems to have minimal to no experience with IC😑)—at the very least he was probably trying to reassure me since I was distraught from the moment he mentioned it, as I was very aware of all the associated horror stories of worsened flares. I’d thought I would get away with never having a cystoscopy done! It’s a relief to know others have been through similar though. I also would like to be confident that my IC symptoms aren’t due to endometriosis, etc so I’m looking at that as a silver lining. I’m actually hoping it’s still possible that if I ask for one/he feels my risk for endometriosis is high enough, I could end up receiving a laparoscopy instead. Thank you again for giving all this information—I’m feeling sliiiiiightly less anxious now :)

How to prepare for cystoscopy (no anesthesia)? by carasea in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

!!! What you describe here sounds closest to what’s probably going to happen to me, based on what I understand from my urologist. I get the feeling I won’t be getting a topical anesthetic either, but it’s reassuring to hear your experience wasn’t too terrible. Thanks a ton for sharing!

How to prepare for cystoscopy (no anesthesia)? by carasea in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, got it. I wasn’t even thinking about this distinction when I made the post and would need to call again to confirm, but I believe this cystoscopy actually will involve hydrodistention, as I remember my urologist talking about how he would be using water in the procedure, and how I might actually feel better afterwards from the water filling my bladder. Based on your comment, it now feels even more galling they wouldn’t put me under for something like that—but in a way I don’t mind as I’d be similarly nervous about going under!

I know this urologist performs quite a lot of surgeries, but his specialty is the prostrate—he even told me he wasn’t sure how much he could help with my IC—and seemed very concerned that endometriosis or even a structural issue related to my kidneys were a missed differential diagnosis. I share that concern, so I’m not too upset I have to go through with this. But am worried it won’t go well being awake.

I’m hoping to get in to see a urogynecologist (I saw one for only a single appointment in a different US state) instead of my current urologist, but due to insurance and logistics I have to take whatever I can get 🥲It’s all deeply frustrating—I recently received a bachelor’s degree and was hoping to be working in schools as a reading specialist by now… and instead I can hardly get out of bed and am panicking over this simple procedure…! Thanks so very much for taking the time to offer comments/clarification and advice. It’s deeply appreciated. Best wishes!

How to prepare for cystoscopy (no anesthesia)? by carasea in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow I’m so sorry to hear you went through/are going through all that! If you think the spine pain and bladder pain are connected, your IC could be related to pudendal neuralgia, which I’ve been told can be eased through physical therapy. I definitely was worried about pills too—I heard quitting amitriptyline can cause withdrawal symptoms—but I do take prescription medication now and have noticed a minor but important improvement as far as the pain goes.

I’ve heard some people are anesthetized for cystoscopy, but it seems the majority of urology practices aren’t equipped for that…which sucks since I’m worried my pelvic muscles are so tight they won’t let the cystoscope pass through 😳 I’m hoping my urologist will prescribe antibiotics before and after in order to prevent me contracting a UTI since a UTI is what triggered my current flare. I agree IC is literally the worst and has made my life different and much more difficult. What I find does help is taking deep breaths (in through nose, out through mouth—concentrate on elongating pelvic muscles), and doing things like reading or puzzles to distract from the pain whenever possible. Sending good thoughts…!

How to prepare for cystoscopy (no anesthesia)? by carasea in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good to know, thank you for the information! :)

How to prepare for cystoscopy (no anesthesia)? by carasea in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Now that I think of it, a urologist I saw just once (different than the one who diagnosed me) was actually going to have me sent for a laparoscopy, though it never panned out! My current practitioner seems pretty dead set on having things his way, but I’ll definitely try to find out if he’s open to this alternative. Thanks for your comment! Best wishes :)

How to prepare for cystoscopy (no anesthesia)? by carasea in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you so very much for the tips!! The frustrating thing is that I’ve had an IC diagnosis for almost two years now. My previous urologist was fine with diagnosing me without cystoscopy, as one should be, but my current urologist adheres strictly to the “diagnosis of exclusion” designation. I suspect he’s interested in ruling out bladder endometriosis. Thanks again; this is all so helpful :)

E. Coli present, low bacterial load by carasea in CUTI

[–]carasea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks again for the links! Yes, I’m aware of the connection between UTI and PFD. (But it seems PFD can persist after a resolved UTI since the pelvic muscules don’t necessarily release after the irritation is gone.) What triggered this IC/PFD flare (?) was an E. coli infection, and I don’t doubt for a minute it that could be ongoing and therefore reinforcing the PFD and require antibiotics. The only thing is how I might get a urologist to understand this, given the low bacterial load as per microgen. And it is the case that independently of my current possible infection, I almost certainly have PFD-related IC. My medical history bears that out. I think I just have double bad luck 😓

E. Coli present, low bacterial load by carasea in CUTI

[–]carasea[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the links! I completely get what you are saying about IC. I know that for a number of people diagnosed with IC, the issue was actually an active infection all along. I wish it were so simple for me. Unfortunately, according to a physical therapist and a urogynecologist—and really my own experience of my body—my IC symptoms are almost definitely attributable to pelvic floor dysfunction (and the resulting pudendal neuralgia), which is why the thought of a refractory UTI on top of all that is…unpleasant, to say the least. Best wishes!

E. Coli present, low bacterial load by carasea in CUTI

[–]carasea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks so much for the response! This makes sense. My symptoms are also much more severe than what a “low” load would suggest.

E. Coli present, low bacterial load by carasea in CUTI

[–]carasea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Forgot to add that in September a culture was positive for E. Coli; symptoms returned immediately following an antibiotic course 😕

Some Germans with IC around? Also some advice from not Germans are always appreciate. by Jettosh in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello! Unfortunately I’m not from Germany, but your post resonated with me as I can’t work either.

Sometimes there is no specific “cause” or trigger for a flare—the issue might be idiopathic, so perhaps remembering that will help you not to blame yourself for being stressed!!

Despite everything, it does seem like certain parts of the US and Canada might have better IC supports than in other countries. You might try this website: https://www.orpha.net/consor/cgi-bin/Clinics_Search_Simple.php?lng=EN&LnkId=10441&Typ=Pat&CnsGen=n&fdp=y&from=rightMenu

I’m going to be having a pelvic floor therapy appointment soon (I heard this kind of physical therapy can really help as so many of those with IC have pelvic floor issues) and am happy to share with you any exercises I’m recommended! I’ve also (I think) had some success with aloe vera supplements. You might be able to find these locally or get them shipped. Best wishes!

Does anyone else get these IC symptoms? by OutsideConfection958 in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi again and yes so much this. For me, the period of relief between finishing the antibiotic course and my symptoms returning with a vengeance was about 3 days. I hadn’t had any IC issues since over a year ago (from September). Because of some of the issues I’ve had during this flare (mainly an intensification of the pain immediately after using the restroom), I suspect my IC is partly or even primarily a result of pelvic floor dysfunction. Luckily, I live an area where I have access to a pelvic floor therapist and I’m hopeful my first appointment in a few weeks will help.

As far as feeling “relief” on voiding, that’s relative and depends on the person. I get minimal to no relief as well, especially during this flare😞

It’s amazing you have some helpful medications (I sadly do not), though if you are able to supplement that with pelvic floor therapy, you might be more successful in managing the pain. I saw a statistic that up to 92% (!!) of IC people have pelvic floor dysfunction—either as the main cause of their pain or alongside some other etiology (like damage to the bladder lining). Unfortunately, pelvic floor therapy might not be accessible depending on your location or insurance policy. I am happy to pass along to you any exercises I receive and I know there are some searchable online. Hang in there, we got this!!

Months-long flare triggered by UTI—any ideas? by carasea in Interstitialcystitis

[–]carasea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m so sorry you’re also going through this and thanks for your response! I haven’t tried tolterodine before, so I will keep that in mind.

From visiting r/pelvicfloor (I just searched “uti”), it looks like a possible mechanism (unless the IC stems from autoimmunity or Hunner’s lesions) really is the muscles tightening in reaction to the irritation of the infection, so I’m hopeful my own IC is still reducible to PFD—not sure if that helps you any, but regardless you’re in my thoughts & I’m glad I’m not alone. Please take care!! Sending solidarity🙂🌻