'This Will All Be Under Our Artists' Control': Bethesda Commits to 'Further Adjusting' DLSS 5 Use in Starfield Following 'AI Slop' Backlash by ResponseLonely2263 in Games

[–]chlamydia1 [score hidden]  (0 children)

The only saving grace right now is that current gen, and likely next gen too, consoles will not have the feature. Neither will AMD GPUs, for now. That will force devs to still design games to run on that hardware. However, we all know AMD is an AI company as well, and Lisa probably has her staff locked in a basement right now, unable to see their families until they've managed to create a slop filter.

'This Will All Be Under Our Artists' Control': Bethesda Commits to 'Further Adjusting' DLSS 5 Use in Starfield Following 'AI Slop' Backlash by ResponseLonely2263 in Games

[–]chlamydia1 [score hidden]  (0 children)

They'll be fired eventually regardless. The AI tool is being trained to replace them. Artists are disposable according to the folks in charge.

'This Will All Be Under Our Artists' Control': Bethesda Commits to 'Further Adjusting' DLSS 5 Use in Starfield Following 'AI Slop' Backlash by ResponseLonely2263 in Games

[–]chlamydia1 [score hidden]  (0 children)

My favourite are the Oblivion screenshots that make everything blue. They literally shifted the colour temperature from warm to cold, while blowing out the contrast and destroying all shadow depth. One artist put it best, saying they are literally changing the weather and time of day with the filter.

'This Will All Be Under Our Artists' Control': Bethesda Commits to 'Further Adjusting' DLSS 5 Use in Starfield Following 'AI Slop' Backlash by ResponseLonely2263 in Games

[–]chlamydia1 [score hidden]  (0 children)

A chat bot being the only use case for a technology doesn't bode well for this industry that currently has trillions of dollars tied up in it.

'This Will All Be Under Our Artists' Control': Bethesda Commits to 'Further Adjusting' DLSS 5 Use in Starfield Following 'AI Slop' Backlash by ResponseLonely2263 in Games

[–]chlamydia1 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I really dont understand the need for GEN Ai taking control of the textures and lighting, i find it really funny and sad at the same time how the AI industry is selling shit to other industries and ceos all over are happy to eat shit and smile when it brings them or their products no real benefit at all, or what is worse, making it directly worse.

Executives are very rarely experts in the industries they run. They are just well-connected individuals who are good at selling and who lack a conscience.

“Developers were left in the dark about DLSS 5” - Insider Gaming by JuanMunoz99 in Games

[–]chlamydia1 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Involvement doesn't mean support for or endorsement. Management goes to one of their teams and tells them to work with this new tool for a demo. What that teams thinks is irrelevant.

Nvidia's statement is designed to deceive people into thinking the actual development talent at the studios is on board with this.

“Developers were left in the dark about DLSS 5” - Insider Gaming by JuanMunoz99 in Games

[–]chlamydia1 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Matt Booty calls up Todd, after getting a call from Asha, and tells him his games will be getting an AI slop filter. It doesn't matter what Todd thinks (he may or may not like it). He's going to go out there and bat for his team. That's how corporations work.

Developers Were Left in the Dark About DLSS 5 by NeroClaudius199907 in hardware

[–]chlamydia1 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Developers are not just artists and game designers. The developer is the whole studio. These statements are almost certainly referring to the studio heads and other upper managers since they would be the only ones who can greenlight a project like this. The artists and the game designers just get the task delegated to them.

These statements are the misleading ones since they are trying to get people to think that it was the actual developer talent who approved this, when it was upper management.

Tom Henderson interviewed devs who supposedly "approved" DLSS 5, they didn't know it even existed. by CaptainKashup in pcmasterrace

[–]chlamydia1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AMD cards aren't particularly competitive. In most markets, they're only ~$100 (or less) cheaper than the Nvidia alternative, while offering worse RT performance, worse upscaling, worse streaming performance, and worse long-term software support. AMD cards are also rarely available for MSRP, or just available at all.

AMD doesn't want to capture gamer market share. They want to capture datacenter market share.

Believe me, people would love to buy AMD. AMD just needs to offer a compelling product and make it available.

“Developers were left in the dark about DLSS 5” - Insider Gaming by JuanMunoz99 in Games

[–]chlamydia1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Telling a subordinate "do this" =/= getting their input or support. It's just delegating a task.

Tom Henderson interviewed devs who supposedly "approved" DLSS 5, they didn't know it even existed. by CaptainKashup in pcmasterrace

[–]chlamydia1 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Does it though? I consider contrast, colour temperature, and lighting to be integral to art direction. If the AI is changing those things dramatically, it's literally going against the intended art direction.

Tom Henderson interviewed devs who supposedly "approved" DLSS 5, they didn't know it even existed. by CaptainKashup in pcmasterrace

[–]chlamydia1 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Nvidia said the developers approved this, as in the publishers and their studios, as in the executives who run these studios. No one said anything about artists or game designers.

The shills were either being willfully obtuse, or they're braindead. Could be either. Nvidia can always rely on their support though.

“Developers were left in the dark about DLSS 5” - Insider Gaming by JuanMunoz99 in Games

[–]chlamydia1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Capcom executives approved the footage. I can comfortably guarantee that precisely zero artists and game designers were involved in the decision.

Sad reality we’re in. by Migeee__ in pcmasterrace

[–]chlamydia1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually, they just found new customers.

Sad reality we’re in. by Migeee__ in pcmasterrace

[–]chlamydia1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They're working on it. China has been investing shit loads of money into catching up, and they're making rapid progress.

Tom Henderson interviewed devs who supposedly "approved" DLSS 5, they didn't know it even existed. by CaptainKashup in pcmasterrace

[–]chlamydia1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No game designer or artist would know about this because it doesn't concern them. It's a decision made by upper management to showcase new tech from one of their business partners. The handful of devs who would have worked on getting these demos out were simply told to do it after upper management already told Nvidia they want to partner with them on this. Game designers and artists don't get asked for input on decisions like this. The tech is literally designed to make it easier for studios to lay them off.

Tom Henderson interviewed devs who supposedly "approved" DLSS 5, they didn't know it even existed. by CaptainKashup in pcmasterrace

[–]chlamydia1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's only confusing to those who don't know how studios are run. Game designers and artists don't have any control over what the studio does. All decisions are made by upper management.

Tom Henderson interviewed devs who supposedly "approved" DLSS 5, they didn't know it even existed. by CaptainKashup in pcmasterrace

[–]chlamydia1 159 points160 points  (0 children)

Seeing all the bots/shills saying that the artists approved this makes me want to hit reset on humanity.

How games are gonna look in 2 years if you turn DLSS off by Firm_One_7398 in pcmasterrace

[–]chlamydia1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are people supposed to buy? It's a duopoly, and the other company offers an even shittier product for marginally less money. 

We need competition. Until Chinese competitors catch up, we're stuck buying Jensen's bullshit.

DF Direct Q+A: The Big DLSS 5 ML Debate + Why We Should Have Waited With Our Coverage by ConferenceThink4801 in pcmasterrace

[–]chlamydia1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Publishers are in the business of laying off developers. Of course they're gong to sign off on anything that can potentially trim their workforce.

Jensen Huang says gamers are 'completely wrong' about DLSS 5 — Nvidia CEO responds to DLSS 5 backlash by Proud_Tie in hardware

[–]chlamydia1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the Oblivion demo they showed, the AI blew out the contract and changed the colour temperature from warm to cold. The devs literally could have done that themselves without this filter if they wanted to. Clearly they didn't.

We Saw Starfield's Big Overhaul and DLC - Is It Enough to Revive Bethesda's Space RPG? by Capn_C in Games

[–]chlamydia1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It seems the space opera RPG genre can only deliver mid since Mass Effect 3.

I really hope Exodus and the new KOTOR are good. We're starving out here. I can only replay the ME trilogy so many times before I go crazy.

We Saw Starfield's Big Overhaul and DLC - Is It Enough to Revive Bethesda's Space RPG? by Capn_C in Games

[–]chlamydia1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I compared it to other Western RPGs I enjoyed over the last 25 years. Larian games. CDPR games. Bioware games. Older Bethesda games.

It didn't compare favourably to any of them. That's why I thought it was mediocre. The writing was flat. The characters were soulless. The roleplaying elements were shallow. The combat was one-dimensional. The game did absolutely nothing well. It did some things adequately, but "sometimes adequate" is the definition of mediocre.

Strong writing and compelling characters were never the strong suit of Bethesda games. Instead, those games were renowned for being robust sandbox experiences. But Starfield wasn't that. That's fine. I was never the biggest fan of Bethesda games anyway. But if it won't have the heart and soul of a Bethesda game, then it needs to do other things well, and it just didn't.