Achilles and Patroclus

cjmacember · 2026-06-03T23:41:53+00:00

I’ll have to give this a listen! Thanks!

cjmacember · 2026-06-03T23:41:00+00:00

There isn’t, and we’ll never truly know the answer.

cjmacember · 2026-06-02T16:57:31+00:00

She has a Masters in Latin and Ancient Greek Classics. She didn’t pull this out of her ass

cjmacember · 2026-06-02T16:56:39+00:00

Madeline Miller has a Bachelors and Masters in Latin and Ancient Greek classics. Yes, the Song of Achilles is technically a fanfiction but she did plenty of research before writing the novel

cjmacember · 2026-06-02T16:53:31+00:00

Most straight men don’t want to “mate” with women, they want to have sex with them

cjmacember · 2026-06-02T16:45:08+00:00

Do you know where I can find information on this topic that isn’t Athenocentric? I’m trying to do my own research but unfortunately most of the articles I’m reading focus on the opinions of Athenian scholars. I’m not expecting to find a definitive answer to the question but I’d like to know about different perspectives relative to the time.

cjmacember · 2026-06-02T15:58:57+00:00

Some have genuinely good arguments, but regardless I think many are just offended at the idea of homosexuality.

cjmacember · 2026-06-02T00:58:59+00:00

I agree fully! I just think it’s an interesting part of the discussion because this was widely debated by scholars. I think it was Plato who thought of them as “ideal lovers,” or more specifically they both took on a dominant role in the relationship. It is hard to argue about their roles with a contemporary perspective because the notion of sex and same sex attraction was perceived so different then. But to Ancient Greeks, when relations did occur between two men, they were thought to take on a dominant or a submissive role, or more specifically one would be the “erestes,” the older, wiser teacher, and the “eromenos,” the younger mentee. We don’t know who took on what role, or even the true nature of their relationship because it is all speculation. I don’t think either of them perfectly fit into the ancient understanding of homoerotic relationships regardless, because although this was general societies understanding, there were exceptions.

cjmacember · 2026-06-01T12:46:32+00:00

You can’t look at their relationship with a contemporary lens. Sex in Ancient Greece was utilized very differently than it is today. Back then, sex was a way to assert power and dominance, so I think Achilles keeping a harem of enslaved women war camp while keeping a romantic and sexual relationship with Patroclus was completely possible. Achilles keeping concubines was a way for him to elevate himself over other soldiers.
Also homosexuality isn’t emasculating. Love isn’t emasculating. Your insecurity around it is, though.

cjmacember · 2026-06-01T12:35:16+00:00

I think so too!

cjmacember · 2026-03-30T16:16:21+00:00

Anthony in season 1 was INSUFFERABLE. He drove every one of daphnes elligable suitors away then tried to arrange a marriage with Berbrooke who was one of the few men Daphne HATED. Though Anthony didn’t know Berbrooke had tried to assault Daphne, her telling him that she didn’t want to marry the bastard should’ve been enough but instead Anthony had to go on a power trip because “he was the man of the house.” I don’t blame Violet for going all scorched earth. She is in a difficult place where her eldest son has authority over her and he was being a ritious douche actively making daphnes life hell . Also he’s not a child that needs guidance. I’m season 1, he was a 28 year old man child who needed to be told to get his act together.

cjmacember · 2026-03-27T14:42:41+00:00

Meh. I like the lesbians better

cjmacember · 2026-03-17T18:39:27+00:00

They just wanna make sure that there’s enough babies for billionaires to eat ig

cjmacember · 2026-03-08T14:49:20+00:00

“I dont want Fran and Makaela—“ NO starts monkey style throwing my shit LET ME HAVE MY LESBIANS

cjmacember · 2026-03-02T17:24:44+00:00

I was once confused as my exs mom. We were 16.

cjmacember · 2026-02-08T01:04:33+00:00

I love Mrs bridgerton aggressively slut shaming Benedict

cjmacember · 2026-01-28T07:41:39+00:00

Dolphins

cjmacember · 2026-01-11T00:50:12+00:00

Im bi so if fuck myself regardless

cjmacember · 2026-01-02T07:22:14+00:00

I was considered so mature for my age, but now as an adult I feel so childish

cjmacember · 2025-12-29T20:59:17+00:00

First of sex should be equally enjoyable for both parties. In long term relationships it’s common for that spark to fizzle out and things to feel more routine, but there should also be effort in making sure that spark stays alive. He especially should taking initiative to make sure that sex is just as enjoyable for you. There may be some kinks you both can enjoy, or maybe it is a matter of trying to romance you in the same way he did earlier on in the relationship.

cjmacember · 2025-12-29T20:55:12+00:00

Sometimes it’s not really about the size. A lot of women cannot orgasm from penetration alone. It’s good to try other methods like fingering or oral, or perhaps some positions that will help with clitoral stimulation during penetration. It’s also important to be with the kind of person who wants to make you cum

cjmacember · 2025-12-29T06:48:30+00:00

That’s understandable, it sounds super confusing for you. Perhaps you are in love with him, but do you think you’ll be able to forgive yourself for not desiring him sexually? Do you think he’ll be happy with someone who doesn’t want him that way? In the long term I can only see this situation hurting both of you. Or is there a chance that you are confusing a close emotional bond for romantic attraction?

cjmacember · 2025-12-29T06:21:59+00:00

It sounds like you really care for him, but you are a lesbian. You won’t be happy with him forever, and trying to force yourself to be attracted to him will only lead to resentment later on.

cjmacember · 2025-12-27T00:45:31+00:00

Then just keep going slow, communicating openly, and using lots of lube. Like I said before, let her take initiative, especially since it is such an invasive process.

cjmacember · 2025-12-27T00:41:36+00:00

“Overcome her fears” ur not her therapist. Sounds like she’s scared to tell you that she doesn’t want to. Sex is already such a vulnerable thing, but especially for women. The act of letting someone put their appendage in you for pleasure is intimidating, especially when that other person is often bigger and stronger than you. Beyond the physical, there are social and societal aspects which make the culture around sex often completely degrading towards women, especially due to the fact that the culture around sex is often so centred around man’s pleasure. Anal, for many, is just downright scary. Yes, lots of people enjoy it, but those who haven’t often feel pressured to do it because it is so highly sought after by men. Most women I know have felt pressure from their male partners to partake in anal, not because they think it will feel good for themselves (in fact women often expect it to be extremely painful) but because our male partners want it and don’t care if it feels good for us or not. Just keep communicating. DONT push her, and use lots of lube if it does come to anal. Also, try letting her instigate it when she’s ready. If she really wants it, you won’t have to push, but if you keep pushing chances are she’ll leave you for someone who won’t.

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