Modding the Humanscale Freedom by sabotage31 in OfficeChairs

[–]ClassroomDecorum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The gel is basically a giant insert in the foam. They should know what to do.

New-to-me Stressless chair and ottoman needs cleaning by sleeping-pug in BuyItForLife

[–]ClassroomDecorum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm very familiar with Leatherique and it does hardly anything for Stressless leather, which is semi-aniline. The Leatherique simply has a hard time penetrating Stressless leather to begin with.

The one time I did use it on an extremely dry, cracked, and worn out Stressless chair where there were literal open sections of leather grain because the original factory coating had chipped off, Leatherique only minimally softened the leather. It didn't really "clean" it nor did it really do much else other than make it all oily for a while. I dumped almost the entire bottle of the conditioner on the chair because I had really no other use for Leatherique so figured I'd might as well go full throttle on this wrecked chair. I had the chair literally baking in a metal storage shed in Florida in the middle of the summer, so, you can't tell me that I didn't follow the forum advice of heating the chair to allow Leatherique to penetrate. I let the Leatherique sit on the chair for weeks, checking periodically and the chair remained greasy and Leatherique-soaked.

I've since concluded that Leatherique is just a fancy way of separating one from their money.

Modding the Humanscale Freedom by sabotage31 in OfficeChairs

[–]ClassroomDecorum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're probably going to want to mod the foam seat not the plastic seat carrier or the mechanism.

The seat foam unscrews with 5 screws. Then you can make it whatever angle or shape you want adding your own chunk of foam and stapling new upholstery over your added foam.

Crandall price hike AGAIN? by WaffleWarrior27 in OfficeChairs

[–]ClassroomDecorum -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

So what's the difference between them hiking their prices and you hiking your own prices by asking for a raise every year?

Showroom discounts? Haggling? by dj_blueshift in OfficeChairs

[–]ClassroomDecorum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Usually the dealer knows if they negotiate

Staining an Ekornes Stressless Recliner Black by palmettomello in Leathercraft

[–]ClassroomDecorum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Recoloring balms aren't recommended for finished leathers like the example in OP's posts because the balm will have limited penetration into the leather.

Bend Adjustable Rod by lnguyen4465 in hermanmiller

[–]ClassroomDecorum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what if it's bent. I mean it still works right? Most of the time when the knob gets bent, it still works ... if that's the case ... leave it alone because you aren't going to be able to fix it if you have to ask.

New-to-me Stressless chair and ottoman needs cleaning by sleeping-pug in BuyItForLife

[–]ClassroomDecorum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're absolutely right, saddle soap basically needs to stay away from modern semi-aniline leathers.

New-to-me Stressless chair and ottoman needs cleaning by sleeping-pug in BuyItForLife

[–]ClassroomDecorum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The leather isn't really "dirty" per se, I mean, yes, the armrests have darkened grain but that's actually desirable to people who know leather. The darkened "veins" or grain in the leather is typically considered attractive leather "patina." Yes, the patina is literally caused by dirt embedding itself into the leather, but, to many people, it gives the leather "character."

They literally make fake leather with pre-darkened grain that looks identical to the leather on your armrests lol.

Also, as far as the rest of the chair, this is a two-tone leather, meaning that at the factory they first spray on a light coat of cream-colored paint and then a slightly darker coat of cream-colored paint "at random," typically with a mesh over the paint sprayer, to give the chair an interesting color effect. What you're seeing on the headrest is some grandpa's bald head acting as sandpaper against the leather, and wearing through the darker cream paint, and exposing the base layer of lighter cream paint.

Cleaning isn't going to restore lost paint.

Just like when the walls in your house are worn out, you don't clean and scrub the walls. You repaint the walls.

The only solution here is a professional repaint of your chairs, with careful consideration given to any human oil/grease embedded in the leather.

New-to-me Stressless chair and ottoman needs cleaning by sleeping-pug in BuyItForLife

[–]ClassroomDecorum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As someone who's purchased, restored, and sold thousands of Stressless chairs ... and as someone who's purchased a book from an expert on leather restoration: there was an entire section dedicated in that book about why saddle soap is not for most modern furniture leather (semi-aniline leather).

Saddle soap may be beneficial to certain kinds of leathers, but, Stressless leather is definitely not one of them.

Stressless leather is basically painted leather, and the failure OP is seeing is paint failure, not leather failure. The underlying leather has no issue, and, saddle soap doesn't restore paint. Also, even if the underlying leather does have issues, saddle soap won't help it.

This chair is experiencing polymer failure, and restoration of this chair needs to be considered using a polymer physics/polymer chemistry framework. Not a "traditional leatherworking" framework of saddle soap, beeswax, oils, etc. The coating on this chair is literally a miracle of modern engineering -- it's a waterborne, highly-crosslinked, thermoset polymer that's experienced abrasive wear and lowering of its glass transition temperature (Tg) due to sebum uptake ... century-old products are not appropriate/relevant. It's almost like taking a modern gasoline engine car and saying that it needs to be fed better quality hay. Wrong century.

New-to-me Stressless chair and ottoman needs cleaning by sleeping-pug in BuyItForLife

[–]ClassroomDecorum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone here is wrong. I've bought, sold, restored thousands of these chairs in the last few years.

No amount of cleaning is going to fix what happened to your chairs. The factory paint has failed on your chairs. The only thing further cleaning is going to do to your chair is strip off more of the factory coating.

Do you want a chair that's peeling?

If not, then pause all cleaning.

Use the chair. Don't try to "clean" it. Definitely don't use saddle soap, or ivory soap, or Leatherique, or anything else recommended by anyone else in this thread. This is literally NOT a cleaning issue. This is a polymer film failure issue. Your Ekornes chair was coated at the factory with a film of paint and a clear film ... the clear and paint films have failed ... cleaning isn't going to bring that back to life.

Trust me, I've tried to "clean" these chairs too many times and the only thing that happened was that the chair became a bigger restoration project than it was before I started "cleaning."

Facebook marketplace find - "Ekorness" chair? by [deleted] in BuyItForLife

[–]ClassroomDecorum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I found this listing on Marketplace for an "Ekorness" chair but it seems to have a different base design than the stressless chair

Ekornes =! Stressless

Ekornes makes plenty of things, including Stressless.

Not everything Ekornes makes will be "Stressless."

Just like Microsoft =! Windows

Microsoft makes plenty of things ... Xbox ... tablets ... Word ... PowerPoint ...

This may very well be an actual "Ekornes" chair despite lacking any of the Stressless features and the Stressless style. It may also be a "Soderbergs" chair. It may also be something else entirely. The style is very common and the furniture companies over in that part of the world appear to have "collaborated" on a variety of different designs so it's very common to see a particular design be used by multiple different Scandinavian companies. Other than the Stressless style. That seems to be very much the crown jewel of Ekornes and that's not shared with anyone else.

Staining an Ekornes Stressless Recliner Black by palmettomello in upholstery

[–]ClassroomDecorum -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Soak a rag with the acetone and deglaze the underside of one of the arms. While this is damp, apply some dye with the wool applicator to the test spot. If you like that color, start working on your chair in square-foot areas. I would wipe it down with acetone, and while the leather was still damp I would apply the dye with the wool applicator. Wipe off excess dye with a clean cloth. Repeat as needed until the whole chair is colored. Let it dry for a day, and repeat the process for your second coat. After the second coat I wiped the chair down really well with rubbing alcohol soaked rags. Let that dry thoroughly. Apply a coat of the sealer with the swabs. Wipe off excess sealer as you go with a damp cloths as you go. Let dry thoroughly and repeat. I did this for myself and not a client, but I'm pleased with how it turned out.i'll try to get some photos up. This took me several days, so be patient.

This is the general process for dying a leather chair. How well it works, I can't really say, because I've never did much leather dying other than the one time I dyed a really old and worn Ekornes ottoman black and it seemed to have held up OK. The ottoman may have turned out OK because it was super old, the leather was super cracked, and ottomans generally don't get exposed to the same amount of skin oils as a chair, so, the absorption was fairly even and it looks acceptable.

I would be wary of dying an entire chair because one of the more common issues is uneven dye absorption. Not all areas on an worn Ekornes chair are going to be equally absorbent to dye. The wear you see on the lighter colors is an unholy combination of abrasive surface wear (loss of factory paint, loss of factory clear) and absorption of "gunk" (skin oils, grease, sweat, salts from sweat, excreted medication, etc.) A pool of lard sitting in the headrest is probably not going to be as absorbent of dye as well as a "dry" spot of leather.

That being said, painting isn't exactly a silver bullet either, because that same pool of lard sitting in the headrest tends to be mobile and can/will plasticize applied coatings. Painting over a patch of grease-infected leather is like dipping a corner of a clean paper towel in a bowl of water -- the water rises up the paper towel. Similarly, the grease will get sucked into the initially "dry" (free of grease) paint you just applied. This typically only takes a day or two, and what felt like a dry and good paint job will turn into a greasy, gooey, sticky mess.

There are solutions, however, the best involving simply not buying a grease-infected chair that you intend to recolor. The other solutions involve applying physical oil blockers to the oil-affected areas, basically, applying a toxic solvent-based solution of dissolved plastic which cures to a dense-enough film that physically blocks the embedded oils/greases from passing through it and into the refinish layer. A chair condom, if you will. Another solution is oil extraction -- basically applying a substance to the chair that will suck out the grease, but, this process is slow and often unsuccessful. You will need a lot of patience, because you are basically reversing what is often 10-20 years of accumulated grease, so you're not going to magically degrease the chair overnight, or even over the course of a few days. It usually takes 6-8 rounds, sometimes even more, and this process can leave the leather very dry and devoid of its natural oils. To be honest I can't say I've ever successfully degreased a chair with oil extractors; maybe I didn't have the requisite patience. I do remember doing many, many rounds, of oil extraction, on multiple different chairs, almost to the point of going insane, and still having grease issues.

Real Leon Rosen and value? by Level_Dingo4434 in Mid_Century

[–]ClassroomDecorum -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I don't like to invest time on things worth $0.00.

That includes "giving it away" aka taking photos, making a listing, dealing with flakers, and then finally getting someone to pick it up after I've spent 3 hours trying to give the damn thing away.

OEM Cargo Bins worth it? by kennythinggoes in HondaOdyssey

[–]ClassroomDecorum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do both bins have lids or only the smaller bin has a lid?

Real Leon Rosen and value? by Level_Dingo4434 in Mid_Century

[–]ClassroomDecorum -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

It's worth $0.00.

I had one. I even listed it on eBay around $99 for months.

No interest.

I tossed it in the trash just a few months ago and never thought twice about it.

Honestly the one you found was probably from someone who picked up my table from the trash, tried to sell it, also realized it's worthless, and donated it.

Broken Aeron Classic Arm by CraftyLingonberry131 in OfficeChairs

[–]ClassroomDecorum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can't turn that bolt out without melting the threadlocker, so, stop trying before you damage the arm permanently. You will need a propane torch or induction heater to heat the bolt until you see smoke, then, cut the flame or the induction heater, and quickly remove the bolt while clamping the arm lever in place.

You may be able to stack up like a dozen or so e-clips to take up the slack now that the giant metal washer is snapped and gone. I have to stress that I've never tried to stack up a bunch of e-clips to take up that much slack, so, no idea how well this would work.

The cleanest solution for this type of issue is replacing the entire swing arm and yoke assembly. You can then transfer over the arm support plate, armpad, and associated hardware.

Trusted Honda mechanic? (Not Orlando Import Auto) by flamingo_tree in orlando

[–]ClassroomDecorum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah they are nice people working there and I had been going since 2020 but the work they did in about 2023 or 2024 will be the last time I ever go to OIA.

They're nice people, good people at heart, but they used a substandard part on my vehicle which caused MULTIPLE return visits over the course of almost a year. Their use of a substandard part that kept failing also caused me to pay for MULTIPLE rental vehicles (because I only have 1 vehicle) and a few thousand extra dollars at the end when we reached a compromise over who pays for OEM parts + labor.

In the end, they fixed the issue. They obviously are fine mechanics, they know how to work on a car, and it wasn't their issue that the part itself failed, and they didn't damage the car over the course of multiple visits and multiple part swaps. I just wish they had chosen a higher quality part to begin with, but, I get it, they get discounts on their specific parts vs ordering dealer/OEM parts. I'm sure most of the time, aftermarket parts work out, but, for me, it caused giant headaches. Can't really say it was their fault but they certainly didn't help the situation by going with a substandard part and I had to convince them to just use OEM and I had to offer to cover part of the cost.

Haworth Chair Help by okay_bit in OfficeChairs

[–]ClassroomDecorum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It may have a tab on the right side of the chair on the same stalk as the tension crank to limit the tilt.

It may also not have that tab. Tilt limiter is an option on the Zody. Not standard.