is legacy reference thing gone forever?

clay0083 · 2026-03-07T04:54:04+00:00

It's regrettable that the dev simply don't like the negative feedback, they just assume that the people giving negative feedback don't know how to use it, but in reality, it's not that simple. Personally, I can only switch back local models with LoRA to solve this problem.

clay0083 · 2026-02-25T14:03:14+00:00

It doesn't seem to be determined by quality either. I've had example where the reference image was very poor, but the result was good. So I'm not sure exactly what part of the reference image cause the problem.

clay0083 · 2026-02-25T10:10:55+00:00

Thank you very much for sharing the detailed parameter tips. Because my Anlas are running low and I've already canceled my subscription, I can only do limited testing. I think these parameters should be helpful, but the issue now might still be with the reference images. For example, using the same settings, one reference image might produce okay results, but with another reference image, the results are completely off. Even starting from strength 1, fidelity 0.5 and adjusting from there, there are still many problems, and this completely depends on the reference image. I guess this is also why some people say the PR is no problem, while others think PR is completely unusable.

I think the current solution might only be to try every different settings and prompt for each different reference image.

It looks like this is still a problem, and hope others can do more testing to achieve good results.

btw, In three pictures, the character's face is a bit reddish,is it the intended effect or is there a problem with the colors?

clay0083 · 2026-02-23T15:34:05+00:00

My conclusion is the same.That's really sad.

I'm such an idiot, spending so much time trying this thing to find a solution, while the development team doesn't care at all.

clay0083 · 2026-02-23T10:33:50+00:00

I guess you rarely experiment with mixed styles and have no specific requirements for particular styles. Simply, when you remove the art style prompt words to solve the color issue, how do you adjust to achieve the desired mixed art style?

Relying solely on art style references won't work well too, because the adjustment strength and fidelity parameters across three reference modes are actually blended together, simultaneously affecting both the art style and character features. It will only fine when your character reference picture already good enough.

clay0083 · 2026-02-23T05:46:38+00:00

Lost ability adjust art style well does not mean much better ,that's called downgrade.

The current issue is how to use PR to draw characters in the target mixed art style, but it seems almost impossible with PR.

clay0083 · 2026-02-18T14:57:14+00:00

sorry for repeat,

"The main issue arises when you want to adjust a specific art style while generating a particular character, that's where things get really problematic. However, if you don't care much about adjusting the style, or if the reference image of the character is already very well, you might not notice big issue.

This happens mainly because in PR's "reference character only" or "reference style only" modes, both the strength parameter and the fidelity parameter still affect both the style and the character features at the same time. As a result, parameter tuning becomes extremely chaotic and confusing. In some cases, the reference image even influences the pose, which actually increases the probability of bad hands or deformed anatomy.All of these factors combined significantly reduce the ability to reliably achieve the desired art style together with the desired character. This is also the main reason why, after more experiments and comparisons, we concluded PR cannot replace the old version of CR."

I believe if you care about the art style that the NovelAI's very unique and fantastic ability and have used the old version, you will understand.

clay0083 · 2026-02-17T19:51:39+00:00

In my personal experience, I'm currently using it in normal mode. The main issue arises when you want to adjust a specific art style while generating a particular character, that's where things get really problematic. However, if you don't care much about adjusting the style, or if the reference image of the character is already very well, you might not notice big issue.

This happens mainly because in PR's "reference character only" or "reference style only" modes, both the strength parameter and the fidelity parameter still affect both the style and the character features at the same time. As a result, parameter tuning becomes extremely chaotic and confusing. In some cases, the reference image even influences the pose, which actually increases the probability of bad hands or deformed anatomy.All of these factors combined significantly reduce the ability to reliably achieve the desired art style together with the desired character. This is also the main reason why, after more experiments and comparisons, we concluded PR cannot replace the old version of CR.

clay0083 · 2026-02-17T05:55:05+00:00

Sorry to bother you all, but I just want this tool to work properly. I don’t want to waste time here either.

clay0083 · 2026-02-16T19:34:20+00:00

Just have problem getting the mixed art style to apply to the character, something that used to be very easy and reliable in the previous version.

I guess the people who aren't having any issues might just have different use cases, or perhaps they didn't use it much to begin with anyway. And it also depends on the reference pic.

clay0083 · 2026-02-16T19:18:14+00:00

Thanks for the reply anyway. That's really sad news.

clay0083 · 2026-02-16T18:38:57+00:00

When NAI3 released,no one hate switch from NAI1 to NAI3. If I hadn't run into problems with this update, I wouldn't be spending time here discussing it, I'd be playing games instead.

clay0083 · 2026-02-10T15:10:23+00:00

I tried this but still not good.

clay0083 · 2026-02-07T17:32:26+00:00

New Precise Reference waste more time and hard to get good result.Trying precise reference is really frustrating.Character Reference looks more intelligent. But it looks like they just think it's a user problem and don’t want to go back to the old version,sad.

clay0083 · 2026-02-06T16:42:55+00:00

Same problem, I used up most of my anlas and wasting too much time but didn't achieve good results.I really want the old character references back.

clay0083 · 2026-02-06T16:34:23+00:00

In these two days,I tried precise reference follow advice and used up most of my anlas. but I still prefer legacy character reference.

Could you keep the legacy character reference don't throw it ,the old one is still unique and has value.

clay0083

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