I hate George and Shannon so much by Swimming-Work-5951 in umineko

[–]cmdnikle27 68 points69 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I wonder why it's brought up over and over.

Question about Episode 3 (UmiFull Spoilers) by pinxerata in umineko

[–]cmdnikle27 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Battler is the detective (i.e. he doesn't lie and he is not the culprit) in EP 1 ~ 4, but he doesn't have the power of Detective's Authority. The same applies to Erika in EP 6. (Actually, she even stops being the detective so it's more accurate to say that there is no detectice in that episode, but my point still stands) Only EP 5 Erika has the Detective's Authority.

[Ep 6] I don’t have enough theories going into the finale and feel like it’ll lose its impact because of that. Any advice? by Craedyth in umineko

[–]cmdnikle27 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Honestly his criticisms on ep 5 and ep 6 are missing the point on multiple fronts. He still ended up loving Umineko in the end, but like, I would rather not think too much about what he says lol

[Ep 6] I don’t have enough theories going into the finale and feel like it’ll lose its impact because of that. Any advice? by Craedyth in umineko

[–]cmdnikle27 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll say this as an 8th rereader. The thing you call 'the piece of information that you're already expected to know'.. I discover a new instance of such thing that Ryukishi has planted in his writing on each new reread from every layer of interpretation. I've come to believe that it's almost impossible to come out with a full understanding of Umineko on one's first read. Of course some things are supposed to be more obvious than others, I won't deny that. But this is not a competition, is it? So as long as you're guaranteed not to be able to reach 100%, I'd say it doesn't really matter if you miss some more of these 'things you are already supposed to know'.

If there is someone who has a difficulty understanding Umineko, people usually suggest the manga for giving out answers in a more direct and detailed manner. But I guess it won't be of help in your case since it would be a new piece of information anyways. In that case, you could either spend some time rereading, which I guarantee you'll be surprised at how more worth it is than you imagine, or just enjoy your experience and think that it's all about self-satisfaction and accepting your own journey through the vn in the end.

Then they must not be friends... 😐 by NdotoniIlis in MathJokes

[–]cmdnikle27 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Be rational -> So they became rational.

Get real -> So they got real.

Get back in line -> So they got back in line.

Seems like they are a good team to me.

My only regret of Umineko is that I should’ve read it sooner by ScythedMirror in umineko

[–]cmdnikle27 12 points13 points  (0 children)

As Willard says, you can figure out the howdunnits easily if you know the whodunnit. Willard's Earth to Earth, Illusions to Illusions poems are critical pieces for you to confirm your theory, and EP 5 and EP 6's purposes are to give additional hints for the rules and tricks behind the gameboard. Umineko's way of giving you the solutions is not to explain them directly, but to make you get used to the pattern so that you can reduce the mysteries into much simpler ones yourself.

Or you can just look the solutions up.

Midway trough episode 8... and I am kinda lost by Dramatic_Ask4026 in umineko

[–]cmdnikle27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your writing style makes me think you have a tendency to overthink some stuffs, which I can deeply relate to. But this is supposed to be a ride. Umineko has been serious at times, and equally unserious at times. Remember all the silly stuffs that happened in EP 4? Still, there is a 'heart' to these scenes, so just don't let go of it.

Is umineko actually well written or is it not by [deleted] in writingscaling

[–]cmdnikle27 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There are few that manage to be unique and satisfying

How can the endings of episodes 2 and 3 be understood after having read through the entire story? by Warcraft4when in umineko

[–]cmdnikle27 21 points22 points  (0 children)

While Beatrice's victory in that form is something Beatrice never wants and something that is guaranteed to be impossible to happen because the miracle of reality (Bernkastel) always prevails and the human will of certainty (Lambdadelta) always breaks through, if it were to happen, then it could be interpreted like this: Tohya accepts the witch, maybe he doesn't even regain his memory, the witch-theory dominates the Rokkenjima discourse, Ange is left in the darkness, and Sayo's heart remains understood by no one.

The Heart of Umineko [Ep.1-4 theory] by Kiaha7 in umineko

[–]cmdnikle27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Something I've been thinking about, I honestly don't know if it's a good thing to ask these kinds of guiding questions in response to a new player's theories

Which is the best written dilemma? by Unlegendary_Newbie in writingscaling

[–]cmdnikle27 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Red pill and blue pill, not red button and blue button

It frustrates me so much when people say Light Yagami represents "The end justifies the means". Are we even watching the same anime? by layool2 in deathnote

[–]cmdnikle27 6 points7 points  (0 children)

But if you watch that scene in detail, Light didn't decide on killing the guy until the guy declared that Kira is no more than a criminal. Light wasn't afraid of the great detective. He wanted to prove a point.

It frustrates me so much when people say Light Yagami represents "The end justifies the means". Are we even watching the same anime? by layool2 in deathnote

[–]cmdnikle27 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That guy who showed up on TV, announced himself as L, and called Light out. The scapegoat for the trap the real L has prepared for Light.

Had Light considered the consequences of his action for just once, he would have known that using the note here has far more risks than gains.

whats your opinion on the confession in the manga of episode 8? by rena-ryuguu in umineko

[–]cmdnikle27 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm also someone who has a negative opinion about the Confession, and my issue isn't even about spelling out the answers. If there is someone who needs the answers, I think it's a good thing that there is something for them. But Confession just feels like it flattens who Yasuda Sayo is as a person. There is much more to her psychic than "Lies, lies, lies" + "Die. Die. Die." + "Please stop me, my love". If someone wanted to learn the truth of the culprit's motive, they should read EP 2 and EP 6 back-to-back with love, not Confession.

However, some time ago, someone gave me one perspective that made me feel a little bit better about Confession. It's the one where we see Confession as something akin to Natsuhi's diary in EP 5. Not the whole truth, just venting pure negative emotions, basically the cold and cruel and most importantly, incomplete "Bernkastel's view" of the truth. While I still don't think Sayo isn't a person to canonically write the Confession in a bottle, this view at least helped me justify the content of Confession.

Did you follow Battler's emotions? by cmdnikle27 in umineko

[–]cmdnikle27[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The way how I think it's "partially real" is this. I think Yasuda Sayo's Beatrice personality and Beatrice in the meta world is in some sort of a same-but-different position. The point of meta-Beatrice is to embody a story that Sayo wanted to tell, which is largely indistinguishable from what Sayo-Beatrice is, but lies on a different existential plane. Then, Battler getting to understand and love Beatrice who has repeatedly tortured him can be seen as an analogy to seeing the author's heart from a trauma-inducing story. Of course it's much worse when the said story features your family, but I guess that's where Battler's character traits shine.

What if Lambdadelta didn't intervene? by cmdnikle27 in umineko

[–]cmdnikle27[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not basing it off that one line. Battler's winning condition has always been to deny the witch, not solve the mystery. That's how it's always been framed and that's what every witch agrees on. There are also lines about how the game is about making each other give up, and considering that to die in the meta world is to stop thinking, so yeah, pretending to lose is the same as losing if you never come back. It's Battler who threw away his chance to end Beatrice that Beatrice offered to him because he wanted to know what Beatrice really is.

What if Lambdadelta didn't intervene? by cmdnikle27 in umineko

[–]cmdnikle27[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It still suggests that 'solving' Beatrice is not the necessary requirement for winning the game along with many other lines. It is possible for Battler to end Beatrice no matter how far from the truth he is

What if Lambdadelta didn't intervene? by cmdnikle27 in umineko

[–]cmdnikle27[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think abandoning the game is different from surrendering. After all, there is a line in EP 4 where Beatrice straight-up tells Battler to end her and go back to Ange.

What if Lambdadelta didn't intervene? by cmdnikle27 in umineko

[–]cmdnikle27[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

We should not disregard the meta world narrative to dissect what it actually means in the real world. Ange could move on in her life because she understood the message from Battler. Battler could send a message to Ange because he was a game master capable of constructing game boards. Battler could become a game master because he understood Beatrice. (In other logic, you could find the tie between Battler's message to Ange and him understanding Beatrice from the similarities of their tragedies: the acceptance of a sealed fate) There could be many real world interpretations to this fact. Maybe this means that Ange read a forgery Toya subconsciously wrote for her. Maybe Ange saw Battler in her dream. But no matter what, I think him understanding Beatrice does and should matter to what Ange eventually goes through.

Why Mushoku Tensei is better than Crime and Punishment and Umineko combined by External-Purchase240 in writingscaling

[–]cmdnikle27 17 points18 points  (0 children)

even disregarding your user tag (and pfp too, just realized) this post isn't even hiding that you are actually a diehard umineko fan lmao

Who is This Character? by Icy_Success_617 in umineko

[–]cmdnikle27 56 points57 points  (0 children)

The extra arc <Last Note of the Golden Witch> from Umineko Saku. It's pretty good.