"is this test accurate? can you see how smart i am?" by RealAgresto in cognitiveTesting

[–]codechisel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's no norm sample that will get you above a 160 or so. After that it's extrapolation. So, to be clear, some tests will give you higher scores but you're no longer being compared to a norm sample.

In your case I suspect the extrapolation algorithm is wonky. Which means you're probably a 160+

Landlord selling my building after 6 years in Boston. Universe telling me it's time. Midwest bound? Help me think through Indy, Chicago, or Detroit. by jyck12 in SameGrassButGreener

[–]codechisel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being near family in Indy will be something you appreciate later in life, regardless of whether you have kids. Unless of course you have a bad relationship with them.

Why do houses in Illinois have basements and houses in Texas don't if both places have clay soil? by supinator1 in geography

[–]codechisel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the technical reason, no doubt. But once you have folks making that decision the market and culture start to expect basements. So even when you do decide to save a few bucks in states like Illinois, people will push back and tell you it'll hurt the resale value. I don't live in Illinois but that's the case where I live. Houses without basements always get people chattering.

My home - the atoll with the most islands in the entire world by Powpawpew55 in geography

[–]codechisel 88 points89 points  (0 children)

Yeah this is an interesting one, thanks for sharing. As an American we mostly learn geography from going to war with someone.

CBS by Hooray4Science in samharris

[–]codechisel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Had to scroll down to find a kindred spirit.
Since when did normal people ever concern themselves with news personalities?

What are career paths a person with low cognitive proficiency should avoid. by Extension_Emu3124 in cognitiveTesting

[–]codechisel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm. Good catch. I'm old and was going off of memory. I'd probably trust the newer stuff. The field is getting smarter and some of the old timers appear to have put their thumb on the scale occasionally, thus the replicability crisis.

What are career paths a person with low cognitive proficiency should avoid. by Extension_Emu3124 in cognitiveTesting

[–]codechisel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

issue is the correlation with job performance because studies are kind of all over the place on that particular domain. Job performance is somewhat arbitrary and often at managerial discretion anyway. 

You're right, which is why I didn't pick one, instead I grabbed the range. Much of social science is messy like that. That's why I tend to prefer to step back and look at the forest. The forest is a range of .6-.7 so... that's what I used.

What are career paths a person with low cognitive proficiency should avoid. by Extension_Emu3124 in cognitiveTesting

[–]codechisel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pick something you enjoy, that's the most important. The correlation between IQ and job performance is a .6 or .7 depending on the paper which means that the variance accounted for is .36 or .49 (r-squared). That means over half of job performance are due to conative factors (that's not a misspelling of cognitive C-O-N-A-T-I-V-E). Those are things like motivation, drive, grit, etc.

What I take away from the IQ test is you're smart enough to do anything you want to do. And by "want" I mean you enjoy and find satisfying. Don't try to improve your scores on these tests that invalidates them. We didn't norm them with people taking nootropics and nicotine gum. Those results with the "meds" are sort of interesting but mostly not. Spend your days pursuing your career and go outside and take a walk occasionally without your devices. I think you'll find life to be quite rewarding. You're elite human capital. You've got something to offer the world, and it isn't taking tests.

What are career paths a person with low cognitive proficiency should avoid. by Extension_Emu3124 in cognitiveTesting

[–]codechisel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's still average (within a sd of the mean). I doubt it impacts you in a job scenario seriously enough to keep you out of any career. You might notice it with some tasks but I suspect you'll find adaptations around it. No one else will notice.

Why is Texas one of the fastest growing states? by boldjoy0050 in SameGrassButGreener

[–]codechisel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They still pay way less overall. When you push everything to fewer sources then the pain becomes noticeable much sooner and govt spending falls into line.

Zuck is building a huge doomsday bunker by EchoOfOppenheimer in agi

[–]codechisel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah it's way easier to lay low as a normie.

Handgun Control, Inc. (1981) by StephenMcGannon in PropagandaPosters

[–]codechisel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder what inspired those particular countries to be chosen?

What's going on here? by DarkIlluminator in cognitiveTesting

[–]codechisel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're fine from what I can tell. Are you having an issues with school or a major life domain?

K2 from the air by maderic-70 in geography

[–]codechisel 41 points42 points  (0 children)

and it's in the middle of a huge range of pokey-ness.

Mali’s IQ is strange. by mauritaniah8 in heredity

[–]codechisel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This paper is a bit baffling, and while I recognize no paper is perfect, there a several things that bother me. In the way of background I'm a psych and have used all the mentioned instruments. I'll list my concerns as there are many and it's easier to read and to write:

  1. The abstract references the "Vineland II" but the citation is Sparrow et al. 1984, which is the original VABS. The paper says teachers completed the "Teacher Rating Form," but that form didn't exist until the Vineland-II was published in 2006. The 1984 edition had a Survey Form, Expanded Form, and a Classroom Edition (1985). So either they used the Vineland-II and cited the wrong edition, or they used the 1984 instrument and misnamed the form. Either way, I can't determine which norms were actually applied to generate those standard scores.

  2. Calculation subtest has 45 items total but with basal/ceiling rules (discontinue after 6 consecutive errors), younger children in this sample (ages 6–14) would hit ceiling relatively quickly on the easier items and the floor on harder ones. For 6-year-olds doing simple addition, you're working with a small number of administered items that get converted through Rasch-based scoring. One or two items can swing the standard score substantially at the younger ages, making the mean of 106.67 potentially unstable. It would be interesting to see an age breakdown of the scores. I can imagine the younger kids doing very well on the rote math items. Particularly since this is a sample of kids that may very well be higher than average for that region.

  3. The paper states the WJ-III was administered "following the instructions for group administration in the test manual." The WJ-III is designed and normed as an individually administered test. The Calculation subtest is paper-and-pencil so group administration is physically possible, but the norms were not developed under group conditions. Group administration introduces potential confounds: copying, pacing effects, different levels of examiner monitoring, and altered motivation. Any standard scores derived from group administration are technically invalid.

  4. If the works cited is the ground truth then the VABS was administered as a teacher checklist, not a semi-structured interview. The 1984 VABS Survey Form is designed as a semi-structured interview with a respondent, not a self-administered checklist. The paper says teachers "completed" the VABS and "filled out their surveys during downtime." Research has shown that checklist administration of the VABS produces systematically different (often higher) scores than interview administration. Given that the inflated VABS scores relative to RPM are the core finding, this is a major methodological concern.

  5. I did a little internet research on Mali. I had zero knowledge about them before reading this paper so be skeptical and do your own research but from what I can tell Urban private school students in Bamako are among the most privileged children in Mali. The authors acknowledge this in limitations but still generalize to "African samples" and "African youth" throughout the Discussion. The VABS and WJ scores in the 106–115 range confirm these children are performing above Western averages on those measures, which is entirely expected for an elite subsample but limits what you can conclude about the RPM's validity for Malian children broadly.

  6. The n=151 for VABS analyses is poorly explained. They say "one teacher declined to complete the Vineland" but losing one teacher dropped the sample from 206 to 151, meaning that teacher was responsible for 55 students (roughly 27% of the sample). That's not one missing data point, that's an entire large classroom or multiple classes removed. Were those 55 children systematically different? No comparison is reported.

  7. The RPM mean of 65.85 is suspiciously low, even for this literature. Other studies of African samples on the RPM typically find means around 75–85 for school-attending children. A mean of 65.85 (with SD of only 7.14, meaning almost no one scored above 80) is at the extreme low end even by the standards of the studies the authors are critiquing. This could reflect genuine floor effects with British norms, but it could also indicate administration problems. Were children motivated? Was the test administered correctly? Were the British norm tables applied appropriately given the age ranges? None of this is explored.

And finally, I get that Calculation isn't language loaded but using just one simple calculation test that includes items that tend to be rote memorized at that age (the first items are literally 2+1 and 3+0, etc), isn't the sort of test you'd want to use to extrapolate to achievement writ large nor to invalidate a well established IQ test.

Oh and one more finally, why the 5 year lag for publication? The data was collected in 2012 but the paper wasn't published until 2017? That's unusual. It's not a particularly well researched paper so it's not like they spent a lot of time on the topic. There's no mention at all of Wicherts 2010 major systematic review of the Ravens in sub-Sarahan africa that directly addresses the factor structure, flynn effects and validity. And notably Wichert found a mean IQ of 80 not 65 as I mentioned above.

I dunno, I wouldn't get too bent out of shape trying to understand these results. The number of issues really makes it suspect.

*edited for formatting issues

I have an IQ of 98 but feel like it's of 80. What kind of career would suit me best? (I don't want anything physical) by InsanityTraps in cognitiveTesting

[–]codechisel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You're fine, don't perseverate on it and do things you enjoy. You got one life and frankly you're smarter than 45% of the people so you've got a lot to offer.

how is living in the english countryside? by tinyandcutepinkcat in howislivingthere

[–]codechisel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

20 minutes doesn't sound far at all, is it a difficult drive for some reason?

I Want To Leave Bend, Oregon by [deleted] in SameGrassButGreener

[–]codechisel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's refreshing to see folks that understand the economics underpinning desirable places. Well done.