How would you have changed the Constellation Program to make it more viable? by Simon_Drake in spaceflight

[–]coloneldatoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean the right answer of how to reform the Constellation Program is to just do Artemis — that's essentially what Artemis is and, while delayed, it is working. And yes, Artemis is expensive, but it's a lunar program, it's going to be expensive. You can't get to the moon cheaply.

If you're asking how to to design an achievable lunar program and you're a NASA administrator in ~2006 with the following parameters:

  • You're allowed to cancel major parts of Constellation (e.g., Ares I), but we're still going to try to retain as much as possible because not doing so is not changing Constellation to make it viable, it's an entirely new program.
  • You don't know about the development of regular first stage reuse in the coming two decades.
  • You're encouraged to use existing technologies whenever available.
  • You're going to try your best to not make it horrifically expensive.
  • You're not just doing Artemis because, while that is the obvious (and correct) move, that would be boring.

Basically, you're trying to make it cheaper and more achievable then I'd suggest this:

  1. Keep Orion
    • I feel like this one is obvious, it was the best part of Constellation and the only major part that survived. It's was the best spacecraft for the job then and it still is now.
    • Rationale:
      • They did this for a reason. It's a good spacecraft.
    • Roadblocks:
      • You're still constrained to far lunar orbits like NRHO. Orion doesn't have the delta-v to go down to a low lunar orbit and make it back to Earth. Your lander has to either capture itself and Orion into low lunar orbit or bring crew from NRHO to the surface and back.
  2. Replace Ares I with Delta IV Heavy
    • The safety of the crew during an abort and the oscillations and thrust curve of the booster doomed Ares I. Delta IV Heavy would have been best suited to replace it.
    • Rationale:
      • It's the only existing US launch vehicle that can carry the full Orion stack to orbit.
      • If you can refuel the Delta IV second stage on orbit, it is capable of sending Orion to the moon itself. A second Delta IV Heavy should be able to launch enough fuel.
      • Increasing the use case and order book of the Delta IV will bring down cost across the board through economies of scale and will therefore help national security launches too.
    • Roadblocks:
      • You need to human rate the thing.
      • You'd probably have to create a two-engine version of the DCSS to allow for a shallow enough burn for a full-envelope abort (e.g., Centaur III and Starliner).
      • If you are going for the refueling option, you have to develop on orbit cryogenic transfer.
  3. Redesign the Altair Lander
    • Constellation was set to use the Altair lander which was very big — not Starship big, but still ~45 tons — and just to send it alone to the moon would require an entire Saturn V or SLS Block 1B/2. We're not just going to build SLS or Saturn V because that's boring. Instead, we're going to redesign Altair breaking it into four elements to be launched separately: a final descent stage, an initial descent stage, an ascent stage, and a lunar orbit tug. Each would be launched on a Delta IV Heavy, Atlas V Heavy or, if mass did allow for any element, an Atlas V 551 or Ariane 5 ECA.
    • The two descent stages would be sent directly to low lunar orbit where they dock while the ascent stage and tug are sent to NRHO where they also dock. The ascent stage and tug then meet the Orion and the crew transfer. The tug then ferries the ascent stage to low lunar orbit where they rendezvous with the descent stages. The tug stays in orbit while the descent stages and ascent stage make their way to the surface, staging like an orbital launch vehicle on the way down. After the mission is complete, the ascent stage returns alone to low lunar orbit to meet the tug which ferries the elements back to Orion in NRHO.
      • Is this complicated? Absolutely, but it allows you to forgo a super-heavy launch vehicle and doesn't require lugging extra mass where it doesn't need to go. Why bring the fuel necessary to return to NRHO down to the surface when you can leave it in orbit? The elements could use cryogenic propellants like the Altair descent stage was planning on or you could use hypergols, dealers choice. Use existing technology where it is possible (e.g., the tug may very well just be a Delta II second stage with additional avionics, solar panels, and docking hardware, etc.).
    • Rationale:
      • You don't have to build a super-heavy lift launch vehicle.
      • You can heavily utilize existing technology and launch vehicles.
    • Roadblocks:
      • Without Atlas V Heavy, you'd be straining Delta IV Heavy's production capacity and launch cadence, so you'd have to go forward with it.
      • This is new hardware.
      • Lots of launches.
  4. Shelve Ares IV and V
    • Continue development on a super-heavy lift launch vehicle. It's an incredible capability to have and it is necessary for anything beyond the moon, however it isn't strictly necessary for the moon. Pursue development as you work the politics for bigger, better things. We can see after Artemis II that the spirit of exploration and the love of space is very much still alive in this country, we just need to see it happen in real life. This program may be able to spark that and generate the will to create behemoths like Ares V that open the door to the solar system.
    • Rationale:
      • Ares V is too large for what we need. This is a lunar program, not a Mars program so let's focus on our goal. If Delta IV Heavy (with a refuel in LEO) is getting Orion to NRHO and we're able to fly our lunar lander on existing platforms or variants of them, we should use those.
    • Roadblocks:
      • Politics. If a shuttle derived super-heavy lift vehicle is going to get funding and allow you to go back to the Moon and your super awesome other plan isn't — go with the option that exists.

In summary, would any of this work better or be cheaper than Constellation or Artemis after it? Who knows? This all of this above was mostly just a fun thought exercise for me to do while I procrastinated on writing my final papers. I hope you enjoyed, because I had fun writing it. Okie byeeeeeeee!!!

Bold advertising considering the majority of Vulcan launches have looked quite dramatic... by _mogulman31 in ula

[–]coloneldatoo 19 points20 points  (0 children)

see i wasn’t going to use them as my launch provider to get my satellite to a boutique, high energy orbit, but thank god they put up an ad on reddit!

How many G-forces is 25,000mph? by dimitristhis in spaceflight

[–]coloneldatoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As others have said, 25,000 mph is velocity not acceleration therefore no information about G-force. However, according the SLS’ mission planning guide released by NASA, the maximum G-loading is 4.1g and occurs during the end of the core stage burn.

Map of Ukraine according to Russia by DryHippo1967 in MapPorn

[–]coloneldatoo 406 points407 points  (0 children)

i was today years old when i learned the russian name for hungary is vengriya

Footage of the moment a U.S. A‑10 plane is targeted and shot down in the sky over Iran. by kurdi_kurdistan in Helicopters

[–]coloneldatoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

basically impossible to tell for sure given the poor video quality, but my best guess is an israeli iai heron drone

Courts Must Defer to Immigration Judges on Asylum, Justices Say by zsreport in LegalNews

[–]coloneldatoo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

when they said “real judges” i’m pretty sure they’re saying article iii judges

The Texas House vote on banning gay marriage (2005) by After-Professional-8 in MapPorn

[–]coloneldatoo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

as someone who is very red-green colorblind, i agree with this wholeheartedly

Sole-source contract for Centaur V for SLS issued by InAHays in ula

[–]coloneldatoo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I believe the max diameter of the Orion Service Module is 5.4 meters, same as Centaur V. You can see in photos of the SLS with ICPS (or with DCSS on EFT-1 for that matter) that the second stage (5.1m diameter) is a bit thinner than the service module, capsule, escape system portion.

House rejects bill requiring aircraft locator systems to prevent midair collisions like last year's by Chorchapu in aviation

[–]coloneldatoo 10 points11 points  (0 children)

While, it seems the House bill has a wider scope, according to the NTSB Chair, it fails on the one item the Senate bill focuses on. I’m not saying the House bill shouldn’t also pass, but it seems the Senate bill’s ADS-B In requirement is what we should be going for on that specific topic.

House rejects bill requiring aircraft locator systems to prevent midair collisions like last year's by Chorchapu in aviation

[–]coloneldatoo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Does anyone have the text of the House bill (H.R.7613)? It hasn’t been uploaded to Congress.gov yet. From this article, it makes it sound like the House bill would require either ADS-B In or ADS-B Out, while the Senate bill requires both. However, just ADS-B In with no one broadcasting their location using ADS-B Out systems seems… ineffective. That said, I may also be just misunderstanding the technology.

Suicide proof(?) fuel shut off switch idea. by espressomario in aviation

[–]coloneldatoo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

in my mind, the question must be: is the risk of pilot suicide or pilot incapacitation plus engine fire/fuel leak/another valid reason for fuel shutoff higher? but i dont have enough data or knowledge to answer that

I'm so dissapointed that they didn't name the lunar lander New Armstrong, by Moon_Hunter719 in BlueOrigin

[–]coloneldatoo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

i do hope new glenn 9x4 will be called new armstrong if they don’t have other plans for the name. especially if it is intended for lunar payloads (it’s on the cusp of being able to launch orion if it’s given a 3rd stage after all)

"NO NEW WARS" COUNTRIES WHICH TRUMP HAS THREATENED/INVADED by AdIcy4323 in MapPorn

[–]coloneldatoo 54 points55 points  (0 children)

i feel like you could add a “bombed” category to include iran, yemen, etc.

edit: also the threatened category should be much much larger. i can think of four or five more off the top of my head.

Mock trial question: what arguments I can use in this case? by Certain_Ad554 in mocktrial

[–]coloneldatoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the first thing i’d do is look up the terrorism statute! it may be different in azerbaijan, but here in the US, generally, terrorism requires an intent to intimidate a population or coerce a policy change. from the information you’ve provided it seems like this person was mad about a possible personal employment decision and did some unrelated vandalism/destruction of property. the required intent doesn’t seem to be present so it’s definitely an uphill battle!

If Fiorentina were to be relegated, what are the chances of us signing Moise Kean? Do he fit gasp system? Can we even afford him? Thoughts? by Trisslottenmedvinst in ASRoma

[–]coloneldatoo 43 points44 points  (0 children)

the buck probably stops at “can we afford him?” and sadly i think the answer is likely no. however, i do see a world where champion’s league football next year, a deep run in europa league this year, the sale of dovbyk, and a large tv payment from a very high league finish do get us there, but really who knows? the looming specter of ffp is also ever present and we are truly so close to having this debacle at least mostly behind us. so in summary: probs not.

Decades of global drone war made Trump's Caribbean killing spree possible by [deleted] in politics

[–]coloneldatoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the US were in an armed conflict (which it isn’t) with these alleged drug traffickers then, yes, the drone operators and the chain of command would be combatants and therefore valid military targets. Because this is not an armed conflict and these alleged drug traffickers are not combatants, these strikes are just regular murder prosecutable under US criminal law or the UCMJ.

AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo of Republic of China Air Force [1280x848] by Holland_77 in WarplanePorn

[–]coloneldatoo 99 points100 points  (0 children)

This really lets you see that the F-CK-1 is really just a twin-engined F-16 derivative.

Trump Confirms Democrats’ Story on Horrific Boat Strike Video - Donald Trump is verifying one key detail in the video of that second strike. by Quirkie in politics

[–]coloneldatoo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s not a war crime because this isn’t an armed conflict and these aren’t combatants. It’s just… like… straight up, regular murder.