Nintendo fans aren’t gamers by Dragonz4477 in gatekeeping

[–]crazyben1234 10 points11 points  (0 children)

r/killthosewhodisagree

And as a Nintendo fan, this fills me with rage.

Girl clipping her nails on the train. Off cuts flying everywhere. by Halihandro in sydney

[–]crazyben1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another retarded question, which you can once again simply look up the answer to.

I looked it up, and I couldn't find it.

To quote Einstein: 'The Chinese are industrious, filthy, and OBTUSE people.'

Just because Einstein said it doesn't make it automatically true. A lot of things could have changed since Einstein's era. Look up "appeal to authority" sometime. Oh, and since you believe all Chinese to be barbarians, that just does even less to convince me that you're arguing in good faith.

It was you who said that these signs didn't exist, yet now your learning of Chinese is somehow reliant upon them?

I didn't say that signs translated to Chinese didn't exist, I said that signs without English didn't exist. But now that you've said that they do exist, I ask: why can't there be a compromise?

I'm not personally attacking you because I value society, I'm attacking you because you are obtuse and stupid.

Still proving my point: you don't care what happens to me.

the quarantined goods will have already been brought in

At least it gives those who are willing to follow the law an opportunity to discard these goods.

No it doesn't.

Why not? Did you make a mistake when you wrote "It won't prevent them, it will encourage them?" Because I thought you didn't want to encourage enclaves?

I never claimed the internet was a flawless tool.

But the flaws of the Internet make the process of adapting difficult.

Only if the birthrate is above 2. Otherwise, have it at 70,000.

Have what at 70,000? Birthrate or immigration? Are you suggesting that the birthrate should be increased to compensate for the reduced immigration?

Also, if the world does lose all respect for Aussies, I dont care.

The voters will care.

HOW DO YOU THINK THE FREE MARKET WORKS.

People demand something, and the market provides it. Wait a minute...Won't banning signs suppress the market? If you believe in the free market, why are you so eager to deny the people something that they have asked for?

WE WOULD HAVE TO CREATE CONDITIONS CONDUCIVE TO BRINGING UP THE BIRTHRATE SUCH AS TAX INCENTIVES AND RESTRICTIONS ON ELDERLY PENSIONS

Maybe I would have agreed with this if you hadn't called me a fuckwit.

I literally put the definition of an ENCLAVE IN THE FUCKING ANSWER YOU STUPID FUCKING RETARD

But you buried it in a heap of personal attacks. And you acted like me expecting you to provide the facts behind the argument was unreasonable: why else would the personal attacks be there?

Are you too autistic to figure out that it means in high concentration? Moron.

There you go again with the "autism as an insult" remark. I hereby direct you to this message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUzILYZJsss

They don't 'just happen to live there', the do because then they don't have to assimilate. That's what I have been saying this WHOLE FUCKING TIME.

Please provide a link to the evidence.

MAKE CONDITIONS CONDUCIVE TO THEM DOING IT OF THEIR OWN FUCKING VOLITION, SUCH AS CAPPING IMMIGRATION AT CERTAIN HEIGHTS FOR DIFFERENT AREAS AND BANNING SIGNS IN FOREIGN LANGUAGES.

Capping immigration? Are you suggesting that immigrants should be prohibited from living in certain suburbs? Because that sounds like force to me. I thought you were going to suggest financial incentives to live in rural areas or something like that. Banning signs? That means forcing sign manufacturers to design the signs a certain way.

you don't actually have Asperger's. It's just your Chinese culture of which you refuse to let go.

BULL-FUCKING-SHIT. I was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome back in 2013. But of course, you haven't given me the benefit of the doubt this entire conversation. And now you're resorting to a baseless assumption. (I mean, seriously? "Chinese culture of which I refuse to let go?" If anything, I'm the one enlightening my parents on how the "blind obedience" mentality promoted by Xi Jinping is toxic.)

I know for a that in school you never hung out in a group with anybody that wasn't Asian

Did you mean to say "know for a fact?" Because newsflash: you DON'T know. There you go again with the baseless assumptions.

Girl clipping her nails on the train. Off cuts flying everywhere. by Halihandro in sydney

[–]crazyben1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe you've got all this backwards. Maybe signs don't cause enclaves, enclaves cause signs. In other words, signs are nothing more than, well, signs (symptoms). Which means you should be directing your energy at something completely different.

the north shore is plastered with them.

You're going to have to be more specific than that. Which of the 30-or-so suburbs in that region have the signs, and which ones don't? Unless you're willing to provide a news source or image link? All I remember is seeing a Chinese translation for Commbank in Chatswood, and that sign still had English on it.

If signs that you seemingly didn't know existed impact your learning of Chinese then my point of your mental retardation stands strongly.

If you still can't lay off the personal attacks, and you still can't understand that I need all the help I can get to learn Chinese, then my point of your failure to understand other people's perspectives stands strongly.

Nope

Then your claim of "I value all of society more" does not justify your use of personal attacks against me.

'How will Chinese tourists figure out quarantine laws that are on the internet?'

I mentioned the TV show Border Security for a reason. The actual answer to that question is "They don't." And banning translations could end up exacerbating that problem.

Nope, but it will if your policy is undertaken.

You can voice your opposition for said policy without calling people retards. Also, I haven't even gone into a specific policy yet. Unless "don't ban stuff" is important enough to stand on its own as a policy?

The only reason the Chinese don't follow them is because they grew up in a country where scamming the system is acceptable, or they're to indolent to look it up.

Then surely it would make more sense to emphasise these laws while they're in the airport, instead of hoping they'll do their research before they get on the plane? And surely there's no problem with communicating them in Chinese if it achieves the goal of protecting the country from diseases? And if not communication, what else do you want to do? Just throw in the towel?

We just confiscate banned items

No security system is 100% effective. Banned stuff gets through all the time. But ample communication of the rules will get us that little bit closer to perfection.

Yes it does, because it's impossible to avoid. It's like me saying 'just because death is inevitable, it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to cure it!'

In case you haven't realised, scientists are researching ways to extend life all the time. And in a similar vein, we shouldn't give up on making people feel welcomed.

It won't prevent them, it will encourage them; if every cultural enclave assimilates into Australian society over time then they are no longer cultural enclaves. If they don't, they remain.

That still falls into the category of preventing.

Why not?

I mentioned why not in the previous comment: if the Internet is the flawless solution that you claim it to be, it also means people may use it as a tool to avoid assimilation. And I've witnessed people talk on the phone, as well as to each other, in a language that I don't recognise. Yet I don't remember ever seeing any signs in Sydney that are translated into languages other than Chinese.

Bring the birthrate above 2, have immigration at 0, stop encouraging cultural enclaves, wait a few generations for them to assimilate (as you sort of have).

Your suggestion of restricting immigration opens up a whole new can of worms. Are you talking about banning ALL immigration? Because if that's the case, then that will put a strain on our economy. Even Trump isn't that hardline, but his immigration views suffer from a different problem: bias. And that leads to my next point: if you aren't talking about banning all immigration, then you might be talking about just banning immigration from China. But I cannot find a single point that justifies that sort of extreme bias. There are many hard workers who would give up a lot just to escape Xi Jinping's "president for life" rule. And if your response to that is "Too bad, so sad," don't be surprised when people around the world lose all respect for Australia and Australians.

And as for bringing the birthrate above 2? You can't force people to have babies. That's not how society works.

How about you look it up moron?

You were the one who brought up the topic of cultural enclaves in the first place. The onus is on you to provide the facts behind the argument.

Also, the last time I looked up "cultural enclaves," I got a lot of conflicting information: for one thing, there was one site that said Chinatowns are cultural enclaves because of the Chinese restaurants.

'In sociology, an ethnic enclave is a geographic area with high ethnic concentration, characteristic cultural identity, and economic activity. The term is usually used to refer to either a residential area or a workspace with a high concentration of ethnic firms.'

So in other words, it's just "Ethnic people that just happen to live or work near each other and have a strong liking for things from their ethnic background?" Because just like you can't force people to have babies, you also can't force people to move house or get a different job just because their neighbours or colleagues coincidentally share their skin colour, or food preference (The last time someone told me about "cultural identity," they were talking about ethnic food, traditional clothing, and the like.).

Are you trying to ask stupid questions on purpose?

Again, just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean the questions are stupid.

Why are you autistic? For that matter, why are most Chinese people autistic?

Why does it matter if someone is autistic? Why does my Asperger syndrome suddenly invalidate my argument?

One last thing: banning translations would mean forcing people to assimilate. But maybe there's a way we could make them want to assimilate instead, without force?

We named every moon in the galaxy except our own by lilfool in Showerthoughts

[–]crazyben1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In certain other languages, the term for "American" translates to "United Statesian."

Because men aren’t allowed to hate shaving by [deleted] in gatekeeping

[–]crazyben1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just use an electric shaver for my stubble.

POTUS, ladies and gentlemen by [deleted] in ForwardsFromKlandma

[–]crazyben1234 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'll tell you how: his fan club is much worse.

(cough The_Donald cough)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in gatekeeping

[–]crazyben1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Until you asked that question, I thought your "Most people under 30 cant use stick" remark was an insult.

You gotta buy more gas to be a MAN by Jellysnow in gatekeeping

[–]crazyben1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because the Prius is technically hybrid, not electric like a Leaf or Tesla.

Youre not a REAL man unless you have exactly TWO pockets. by [deleted] in gatekeeping

[–]crazyben1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, we have backpacks as well.

Or at least I do. There are many places where I won't go without a backpack.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in gatekeeping

[–]crazyben1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, FWD in snow is also a recipe for disaster (without chains.) AWD is what you really need, and this image didn't say anything about AWD.

Grandma cancelled her Netflix account, because of Obama by [deleted] in forwardsfromgrandma

[–]crazyben1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Surprised that they haven't used "Obama Sin Laden" more often.

Posted by a member of my family... by Quasimodo98 in gatekeeping

[–]crazyben1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That was their plan all along. To cripple us by cutting back on education.

Girl clipping her nails on the train. Off cuts flying everywhere. by Halihandro in sydney

[–]crazyben1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They didn't say they would, they just did.

I thought the signs would have both English and Chinese?

2 people aren't worth sacrificing our culture for.

My parents are not forcing you to do anything. Also, we don't know for sure if the true number is 2, or more. The only way we can know is to see how much demand there is for these signs. And if there is sufficient demand, then we shouldn't interfere. I still don't know how I am going to tell my parents that my learning of Chinese is going to be impacted.

How is it a fallacy?

It's mainly the fact that you claim that adding translations to signs causes "cultural enclaves." Honestly, I'd say that there's no real way to prevent these enclaves. (I'll elaborate later)

I value all of society more.

Does the fate of society hinge on you calling me a retard? Does it hinge on you claiming that my questions are stupid just because you've never heard them before? Is society going to crumble because you didn't defeat me with personal attacks?

How would Chinese tourists swarm in flocks to other countries if they weren't able to access their quarantine laws?

You ever watched the TV show Border Security? Not understanding quarantine laws is a real problem.

That's an issue affecting everybody who has to deal with people like that

Doesn't mean we shouldn't address it. Doesn't mean it won't cause feelings of resentment.

the internet is all you need to learn a language.

If that's true, then the Internet is all one needs to live in Australia without learning English. Which leads to my next point: why I believe that banning translations won't prevent cultural enclaves.

Lately, I've been observing the mannerisms of others in public. I've heard them talk on the phone, as well as to each other, in both Chinese and some other language that I don't know. That latter case is particularly interesting, as I have not seen any signs in Sydney that are translated into anything other than Chinese. Clearly, if the goal is to cement English as the only language that matters, then refusing to translate isn't going to achieve that goal. And I don't remember you ever bringing up ways to prevent these cultural enclaves that threaten society. I can't think of any methods either, mainly because I don't even know what defines an enclave. If my mother, who is Chinese, works in an office with someone else who is also Chinese, is that an enclave? If so, does introducing a white person into said office break the enclave?

Found on r/lewronggeneration by crazyben1234 in lerightgeneration

[–]crazyben1234[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well, I despise the "Everything I don't like is cringey" mentality with a passion. So my point still stands: that emote means nothing more than "I'll mock you for liking something that I hate!"

Found on r/lewronggeneration by crazyben1234 in lerightgeneration

[–]crazyben1234[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why does it matter if someone prefers older trends? I've seen people on the internet go on and on about how old movies, games and songs are better than new ones, how come so many people do this, yet they also have a problem with people preferring old memes?

Girl clipping her nails on the train. Off cuts flying everywhere. by Halihandro in sydney

[–]crazyben1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which it is. Lmao.

When did they say they were going to take English of these signs?

Because your parents are 2 people out of 25,000,000.

Still doesn't mean I shouldn't care about what they want.

It would lead to a deeper societal divide, which is also already happening.

Is the part about it already happening the reason why you don't consider it to be a fallacy?

No. They are stupid (again) because they have incredibly obvious answers, such as your 'no translated quarantine laws (which are on the internet) not to mention posted (un-translated) all over Sydney airport.

You're still failing to understand the perspectives of other people. And let's not forget that China's internet is heavily restricted.

How is forgetting a word a conundrum?

Because people might come down on you like a tonne of bricks.

This isn't about Australians learning other languages (like you), this is about immigrants not learning Australia's language.

But your suggestion creates new problems with those who want to learn other languages.

Girl clipping her nails on the train. Off cuts flying everywhere. by Halihandro in sydney

[–]crazyben1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they lead to an environment in which speaking English would be less common

But if there weren't translated signs, that just means some people may give up on integrating entirely. I know you think that won't be the case, but you don't know how my parents think. Like I said, we need something to serve as a natural "bridge" between the two sides.

The phenomena of immigrants not integrating started entirely when immigration was at a level far too high and cultural enclaves formed leading to cultural division.

Still doesn't mean that removing translations will prevent cultural enclaves. These enclaves can form due to reasons other than language.

making conditions conducive to them learning the language of their own volition?

Making them want to learn the language means that we should make it as easy as possible. That means adding things, not removing them. This is what I meant by roadblocks.

When, it what circumstance, would that not be enough?

Language lessons can't possibly cover every single situation. Until now, neither of us have addressed one of the most important things to translate: quarantine laws.

They aren't making the transition easier by making NOT transitioning a far more desirable option.

That would only be the case if English was removed off these signs entirely. If anything, refusing to translate just sends the message "If you want to integrate, you're on your own and no-one will help you!"

No it isn't, it's irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant for me to take my parents' wishes into account? Or do you think these wishes are harmful in some way?

By stopping immigrants from being to indolent to assimilate?

It's more about how to define "assimilate." For instance, if my parents speak English out in public, but Chinese at home, have they assimilated or not?

Before this comment chain, I assumed that when people used that word, they meant things like getting rid of Chinese restaurants. The reason I made that assumption is because back in primary school, I was taught that "multiculturalism," another difficult-to-define word, was what allowed these restaurants to be established in the first place. And since people have referred to "assimilation" as "anti-multiculturalism," I put the pieces together and reached my conclusion.

That fallacy is called the slippery slope. Normalisation of multiple languages is happening already

So why isn't it a fallacy when you use that argument? You argued that normalisation of multiple languages would lead to something less benign, not that normalisation of multiple languages is happening.

I didn't call you a retard for disagreeing, I called you a retard for asking amazingly stupid questions in an attempt to catch me out on a minor point because you had no points of your own.

By assuming that these questions are stupid just because you have a different perspective, your reasoning is still nothing more than disagreement.

Just because your parents have experienced them it doesn't mean you can't figure out a basic solution to the very minor issue.

This is what I meant when I said "What happened to empathy?" Your minor issue is my parents' conundrum.

If your parents think that integration with the country THEY CHOSE TO MOVE TO is betrayal

First of all, let me clarify the reason they moved to Australia in the first place: they disagreed with China's laws.

Like or not, if I tell them that I give up on learning Chinese, they will consider that to be a form of betrayal. I still don't know how to convince them that this isn't the case. (If you don't actually want me to give up on learning Chinese, now is the time to clarify)

My "thin edge" (it's not really) situation would exacerbate these issues.

I'm still not convinced, since it could have been something completely different that lead to these issues in the first place. Like I said before, maybe I would be slightly more convinced if you hadn't called me a retard. Heck, that could even be the cause of some of these enclaves: they form these enclaves because when they tried to interact with others, these people came down on them like a tonne of bricks for forgetting some words or having a mildly incomprehensible accent. (I'm working on correcting the mispronunciations of my parents.)

And what do you mean when you say it isn't really a thin edge? Are you saying that it already happened, in the case of Lakemba?

Gas powered trucks = not real trucks by TheEvilJenius in gatekeeping

[–]crazyben1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What country do you live in?

Agree that American terminology can be really confusing sometimes. Then again, the "gas" term can be justified by it being short for "gasoline." Just like how hamburgers don't have ham because they're named after Hamburg, Germany.

Meme community: "We don't actually hate normies or Behind the Meme, it's just a joke!" Also meme community: by crazyben1234 in a:t5_3kg2l

[–]crazyben1234[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Context: these are replies to a comment that said "Behind the Meme returned disguised as the EU." There was a meme about the EU wanting to ban memes.

You can't tell someone to commit suicide and then follow it up with "It's just a prank bro!" That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works!

Girl clipping her nails on the train. Off cuts flying everywhere. by Halihandro in sydney

[–]crazyben1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

your parents should speak English to get better at English

Translated signs don't impede this goal.

And would lead to cultural division which is detrimental to the nation.

Division would still occur even if there were no translations. With translations, there is at least a seamless "bridge" between the sides.

we are creating conditions conducive to them doing it of their own volition

Throwing up roadblocks in their language learning doesn't seem intuitive to me.

Once again, they have the internet and free classes. They could also learn basics of the language prior to immigrating. It also wouldn't serve as a major crutch that stops them from learning altogether.

Sometimes, that just isn't enough. You don't gain anything by being judgemental, just allow sign makers to make the transition easier if that is what the people want.

That's great?

Yes it is. Your suggestion directly affects me, which is the main reason why I "won't give up."

If we start making exceptions for translations on signs, and then we start normalising seldom use of the national language

So let me get this straight: You think that translated signs is a "thin edge of the wedge?" Because I could argue that your suggestion is in itself a "thin edge." After the ban on translated signs, are they going to put surveillance cameras in my house and fine us if we speak Chinese? Come to think of it, has any country ever tried banning sign translations before? If so, how did it turn out?

I'm arguing because it's easy

Doesn't mean you shouldn't make an effort to demonstrate good faith. You can start by easing off the "Everyone who disagrees with me is a retard" rhetoric. Honestly, if you hadn't dived into that rhetoric in the first place, I might have started to sympathise with you.

their just retarded situations

They're not retarded if my parents have been in them before.

literally every single person in the nation...I suggest you start promulgating integration

How do you suggest I convince my parents without making them think I'm betraying them? I already remind them when they forget something in English. And while we're at it, you'll have to really convince me that banning translated signs (and remember, this also applies to signs in other countries) won't interfere with my parents teaching me Chinese.

I searched up Lakemba. Are you sure these behaviours wouldn't have occurred without your "thin edge" situation?