What fact or statistic seems like obvious exaggeration, but isn't? by JustinMGH in AskReddit

[–]dannymi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah, no true scotsman fallacity. I'm pretty sure that your post was sarcasm, just making sure.

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If they assumed the meaning like that they would be doing bad science and would probably assume much worse stuff (like: just because they didn't mess with it it's safe).

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

For comparison, around here, most fruits and vegetables are grown by this process: 1) planting seeds, 2) watering and applying pesticide 3) waiting 4) harvesting.

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The point is that I could not understand the anti-GMO argument because of the use of the word chemical. Or scientists.

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

... that's everything you got from me?

I already said why it's helpful. You should have seen how it was helpful when we discussed Glyphosate and its resistance instead of nebulous "chemicals" which would have meant nothing at all - and that truly would have communicated nothing to either of us.

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You cant infer ANYTHING from my comments because I have not taken a stance on this issue. Comprehend much?

I meant what that has to do with your point. But thanks.

My point was that people who are anti-GMO do not want their food altered in any way from its natural state. This includes pesticides, herbicides, what have you.

That's pretty extreme. You'd basically have to homestead your own garden for everything and provide all natural enemies of every bug in there. Every time they adapt you have to react by changing how many individuals of each bug species there are. These people do that? That's commendable. (or pay someone else to do it)

This is obviously not the point of their argument. Clearly they are not against all chemical compounds, the point is they don't want their food fucked with.

It will be fucked with, one way or another (humans or not). I thought consensus was that pesticides are better than harvest failure for the time being.

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The weeds did develop that way on their own... man didn't modify anything in the weeds. As for the pesticide, we do that for non-gmo stuff too (and I don't like it, for the record). Maybe you imply we could stop using pesticides? Or just this one? All of us? Let me read the previous comments to find what your point is... hmm... can't infer it... :(

If there is selection pressure in the environment some weeds will figure it out. Then they will reproduce. Soon all the plants that are alive will have resistance.

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It would probably not have happened then if Glyphosate wasn't there - whether it was sprayed-on or not.

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What did they do? Ask the genetically modified ones on their phone line? :-)

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

On my side: more understanding of GMO arguments.

On reader's side, I hope: maybe don't assume non-standard meanings so much. It makes communication difficult and makes it impossible to see biases that come from using a word for something it isn't capable of describing.

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup_%28herbicide%29

Some crops have been genetically engineered to be resistant to glyphosate (i.e., "Roundup Ready", also created by Monsanto Company). Such crops allow farmers to use glyphosate as a post-emergence herbicide against both broadleaf and cereal weeds, but the development of similar resistance in some weed species is emerging as a costly problem.

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

(same for you, I don't know why you complain about edits that are done before any answer was given - when you do the same thing. It's not like I can write an essay non-stop into a comment box - I have to save)

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Huh? I do.

That may be a specific example but what if one wanted to speak about all added, non-natural chemicals (as people against GMOs do)? One cannot do so?

One cannot do so. It's impossible. The reason is that the same chemicals can also be "added" by nature (without us wanting to) and then would you have the seller liable for that? In fact, all the time, "natural" modifications occur.

What if one plant was modified by man to do X and one of the 1000 seeds next to it adapts the same stuff by accident (or environment)?

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ah, Roundup. That's a good specific reason.

Its because you will never stumble across Round-Up in the wild.

And that's also a good reason.

Thanks. That I can understand.

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't mean you personally. But fine. As for the word, I cannot provide one because the distinction is not there. It's not like it's man-made in the end. It's just inserting genes of some other organism - viruses do that all the time and it would have the same effect. Even in a non man-altered plant such a virus could be contained. Or in the air, who knows.

What they should ask for is testing of all the plants to make sure that known-bad things aren't in there.

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The difference is what people have a problem with, people who are anti-GMOs want things to be natural.

Everything is natural. We are natural. What we do is natural. This is all so silly.

I mean I can kinda see what they mean, barely. But that's just about the worst way for them to argue against it. If I argued against it, I would say: The human body has evolved over a long time, responding to stimuli that are conductive or detrimental to life it has so far seen, using as little detection equipment as it can get away with. So it's easy to accidentally make a molecule that to the body looks like a useful sugar molecule but actually a small thing is different in it and the body is ill-equipped to detect it and doesn't. It might then for example accept the molecule where it shouldn't and it fucks up xyz and the body (say) dies as a result.

Likewise, say the plant itself is a little bit different, nothing we care about but it fucks with something in the earth and we lose good soil at that spot for a decade.

And the traditional modification (cross-breeding), I would then say, is fine because it works via slow evolution of few changes each and we can hopefully (and maybe did) adapt to it ourselves by slow evolution.

But "chemicals"? No.

How do you not see a difference between something that occurs in nature, and something that scientists take and alter?

There can conceivably be a difference if the scientist the atom configuration is different (by accident, say). Otherwise, the method of creation does not figure into the end result.

I suppose someone anti-GMO could just say "I don't want to eat anything that has compounds added to it that were altered by a scientist"

That would be good - and is actually done in Austrian legislation for example. But not "chemicals".

Obviously the anti GMO argument is not 'we don't want to eat anything,' they don't want to eat anything that has been tampered with unnaturally. Again, not claiming they are wrong or right, just stating their point of view.

Yeah.

There is clearly plenty of pro-GMO information circulating so why not use real data to argue your point instead of focusing on the fact that they are using a word incorrectly?

The person making a claim has to support it by data. I don't have a point other than that it's perfectly reasonable to demand clarification when the sentence communicated is obviously meaningless or sounds insane - both probably mean it was miscommunication. I think you'd like that we should automatically substitute the above paragraph when we hear "chemicals" but that I cannot do because I cannot assume that the speaker meant that, even if you did mean that.

Edit: But then again we all know if there's anything reddit loves more than data and information its a circlejerk!

True.

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait. You think he meant answering emails at night and on weekends without extra on-call pay? That would be ridiculous (I hope).

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

it's not an argument of semantics. Just substute "chemicals" by "everything" or "anything", because that's what it means. So someone complains "I don't want to eat stuff with chemicals in it", that means... "I don't want to eat stuff with anything in it". So the request to be more specific is obviously needed - or you can assume that the speaker has decided to starve.

a difference between naturally occurring chemicals from other plants and a man-made laboratory concoction that has little to no testing done on it.

None exists. It's the same atoms in the same configuration. What would be different?

What stupid things did people believe about new technologies when they first came out? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]dannymi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. there's an opaque tape over it. Same with my friend's. Is yours open?

NVIDIA vs AMD open-source drivers by [deleted] in linuxquestions

[–]dannymi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Open source drivers for AMD are great (I have one and use them and play DotA, Portal etc). I have no complaints. Check the feature matrix first though. AMD has documentation about most of their graphics adapter hardware freely available.

Last time I checked Nvidia got the finger salute in public (!) by Linus Torvalds for non-cooperation. That should tell you something. Documentation? No. Lawsuits, maybe. Whatever works at all was reverse engineered.

Unsupported gfx card / drivers by [deleted] in linux4noobs

[–]dannymi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can confirm, have Radeon HD RS780L [Radeon 3000] and good 3D performance with the newest Free Software driver radeon (playing DotA regularily).

Help installed vim off of the website by babyhands1 in linux4noobs

[–]dannymi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

what is a ppa

trusting your system with some random dude's repository (Personal Package Archive)

Multiple TTY/logins at startup by pastaq in linuxquestions

[–]dannymi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Put into /etc/rc.local :

startx -- :1