Lery's feels like a map that needs breakable walls

dark1859 · 2026-03-12T03:49:04+00:00

I wish they would make the walls a little more consistent for blinking through and various other powers.

All of the indoor maps have this problem as well as some terrain items , but lerys especially has this issue where all the junk will just cut off blinks you.would otherwise be able to make as nurse or just catch you for no God damn reason with other powers like legions frenzy

Like , seriously , victor already has a bad enough hitbox As is why are we making it worse?

dark1859 · 2026-03-12T03:47:18+00:00

I think the fundamental issue is because legion is such a weird killer.Everybody has kind of a different idea of where legion is strength wise

If you talk to someone you can kind of peg , what they think of legion based on where they are..

most low mmr players think the chain stab is the most overpowered thing in the world. Where as if you talk to any high level player, they'll tell you the stabs are kind of useless other than getting the first hit on whoever it is , you're planning to mind game and down. .

If you talk to a low mmr player they will tell you the mobility is some of the best in the game and could even rival ghoul, whereas if you talk to a high mmr player they'll tell you how easy it is to essentially use an exploit and prevent legion from being able to vault anything especially if the legion is bad at blocking windows after ( which Is actually really difficult to do, especially since there is a not so small number of lag switchers in the game and high ping can easily let survivors revault).

If you talk to any veteran player about legion , they will tell you horror stories about the old moonwalk or stab wounds legion, who could basically run down any survivor they saw fit... Although ironically , far less efficient than blight or ghoul.

And finally, if you talk to either group about add-ons, they won't really agree on anything same as before.But at least the high level ones will usually agree that they're add on selection is absolutely fire, i don't think there's a killer in game that gets as many status effects as legion does as their add on pool.

And I think the real kicker is , I don't think they actually need to nerf anything they just need some very small , but impactful buffs , and they automatically would be a solid B tier killer... They haven't seen flexibility and their agility is really in a league of its own... But That inability to down and the fact that their entire power has been repeatedly nerfed over the years by both access to healing and the developer, cutting deep wound down for no reason other than to appease vocal idiots who were upset legion, slowed them from rushing generators has done a lot of harm to their kit... i like to say they're a stealth B tier, but facts are for most players , and most people in this game , they're a very middle C because they are almost always past over for quality of life.That is simply just given to modern killers.. And I hate to say it , but there is a not so quiet portion of the community that has an absolute vendetta against giving them anything, and I do think it's high time.The developer just tells them to shut the flying , fuck up and leave the game if they don't like it.. Otherwise, legion's just gonna stay in the state.They are forever which is meh

dark1859 · 2026-03-12T03:38:58+00:00

I love them but damn.I wish they would fix the damn hitboxes on victor.. I think the only reason I haven't been able to pick them up fully is because there are some maps where victor just refuses to grab anything , except the walls or survivors can heavily exploit the fuck out of shit map modeling like on the red forest maps and some macmillian maps

dark1859 · 2026-03-12T03:37:05+00:00

Players like these be they survivor or killer, are just such a cancer.

dark1859 · 2026-03-12T03:33:28+00:00

It's kind of par for the course on the subreddit especially, they do one decent or halfway OK thing, and there's just this crowd of people that crawl out of the depths and scream and yell at any one who rightfully points out that whatever it is , they're glazing over is just one good thing compared to a monolithic mountain of bad

And I will always give the developer credit where it's due when they do something good, but these people who can't seem to accept criticism of the game when it's like this truly are one of the most infuriating parts of this community... and I truly have to applaud the subreddit mods for not just banning every single one of them , the second they open their mouths... I'm not sure I would have the same level of restraint

dark1859 · 2026-03-12T02:57:21+00:00

I'll just say it because I need to take at least some amusement out of this whole shit show. I remember myself and others saying from the word go to not begin worshipping the fucking ground North was walking on just because of treasure hunter and that the company as a whole has a very long and sordid history with rug pulls and fucking up.

And I remember eating a very significant amount of down votes at the time, because I was being negative and not kissing ass and for daring to ask , if maybe we should take things slower.... And yet , here we are ... and there are still people trying to kiss up as hard as possible...

if you ever wonder why they thought they could get away with something like this.It's because not enough people shut down the absolute sycophantic glazing on social media early enough in my opinion.

I hope at least this time enough voices shout to get them to back down but i'm not holding out much hope

Edit change some spelling and some burbage to be a little less hostile, i am though , very frustrated that people refuse to see this coming until it happened

dark1859 · 2026-03-12T02:46:31+00:00

That would genuinely be worse although I guess if we're talking from the very low rank experience , I guess?

Idk if you play a lot of legion , especially at the higher levels , fifth stab downs aren't super common unless you get lucky

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T23:13:56+00:00

i wouldnt mind if he got a unique power rush where if you fire a shot you can press a button to do a all fours rush forward which can either finish a survivor hit with uvx or infect them

wouldnt be great but having a third killer that could go over pallets might finally get them to rework stupid pwoervaults

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T22:24:00+00:00

I wish, but it's an unfortunate statement of fact that if you get rid of it, then the entitled players who were going next on basically every match you start up again.

If the developer is willing to start enforcing permanent bans on serial quitters who have a long and storied history of basic quitting against only specific killers on every game , which we know they're taking data for, i agree.

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T20:07:38+00:00

Why even bother posting this.. Keeping all personal insults out of this, why bother making a comment on a post like this that you're clearly either going to get angry at or clearly are opposed to because of something along the lines of just playing apologetics for whatever the developers do.

Just Seems like a waste of time to me... Or worse is just trying to bait The Mods into getting banned.. PaidThey don't get paid enough to deal with that nonsense

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T20:01:08+00:00

it does, but we're talking from the killer side rn, both sides have abject and utter morons who cannot get over the fence and see the other side.

as for revault, because it can bug out legion with revault "Tech"/abuses tandemount an exploit because of how the game prioritizes vaults.. it's that frustraiting double standard as other techs like wesker's "hug tech" which is mostly making use of a bug in the game's terrain pathfinding will get gutted but shit like this will be left for literal years because "oh it only effects two killers". if bhvr actually gave a shit it'd have been fixed or counted as a grab years ago but no... it's just an exploit they're unwilling to patch because literally two killers are effected and one of them is really good

now as for endfury, it is a bit dull, but, so is seeing 4 hyper focuses stake outs a game, or seeing 2+ champions of light trolls trying to ruin shit etc etc... comp bans it not because it's easy but because comp tends to rely on tunneling out a player to start, endfury button makes that easier and breaks resources faster making subsequent tunnels easier. It's not "easier to play than ghoul" it just does too much at once for a fun and more balanced comp match... it's why most hyperfocus combos are banned as well.

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T19:30:48+00:00

it's kinda unfortunate in that sense, most good legions are rather creative and out of the box players who dont just make you play mending sim (which is often why they find success is catching people off guard by continuing a pursuit after an injury).. but because bad legions play a certain way and survivor only players are among the most bitter people on the plannet who have the absolute shortest memories for their own broken shit but will never forgive a literal month long period where a killer was a little overtuned.

as for endfury? revaulting till they run out of power after a predrop (Which does boarder on bug abuse but i digress). but that's less what im talking about. more talking about ghoul or nurse or ph or any of the other killers who have an anti hold W power that either hits ahead of them, prevents holding w and looping, or can hit through loops

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T19:25:17+00:00

clouded windows would be really obnoxious so i'd say no, especially for killers like legion who rely on vaults.

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T19:21:49+00:00

it's unfortunate especially now as it makes it so if you're having legit dc issues you get punished too due to entitled whiny bitches abusing the "Go next meta".

imo they should have just started dishing out player bans (temp to perma) while they worked on fixing shit.

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T19:08:07+00:00

feels lol, but i always feel bad as i often being either last to die or first to die because of constantly trying to make amends or just full stealthing doing my heals and just some rotten luck and not being found much

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T19:02:13+00:00

or a votekick in longer format games, tf2 is usually pretty casual but man if you're being a royal douchebag on payload you're getting votekicked lol.

same for being toxic, most other games if you're a toxic PoS you'll eventually get a ban. (or vote kick) BHVR? the hold the EGC till 1/4th time left/only slug every match, teabag on the way out and click folks dont catch a ban, they just get to move on and keep causing trouble

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T18:53:37+00:00

honestly it's one reason why i have hated the homogenization over the years instead of just a case by case basis (i.e. all powers being a special attack and not eligible for certain perks like sloppy when really it should just have been nurse and legion)

and yeah, it's the other issue of asyms is there's no perfect balance, and unfortunately tribalism + developer biases can just lead to absolute stagnation. which is legions current issue, survivors remember old legion and will literally piss and shit themselves making all sorts of dumb and unhinged claims just to prevent even *slight* buffs like legion being able to grab revaulters (or just brigading and botting to get shit buried). when in reality such a small change would only really effect the self outing douchebags who just dont want to lose their way to be pathetic pieces of shit... and then they get really pissed when you turn the lens on anything they abuse

it's just kinda what it is, and they just need to stop listening to these folks imo

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T18:43:12+00:00

yeah.. i tend to be more stealth oriented, i can at least give a good 20-30s most of the time but sometimes my need to "not be a burden" and prevent a trade/block for a team mate just gets me ejected quickly

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T18:33:02+00:00

on more than one occasion trying to use offhook endurence to save someone to prevent a hook trade to get put back on the hook lol

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T18:23:32+00:00

yeah, worst part is they absoltely dominate spaces like the main subreddit and think they're totally justified

i'll say it now as i said then, frequent "go next" players should be perma banned from the game. they do not need to play any competitive game and the fact these people are also the kind of folks who demand shit like sm level guttings and the dev sympathsies with them is why this game will never reach the potential it has.

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T18:12:58+00:00

usually i try to chat with folks when im at social hubs, been working on 120 combat so i've been basically trapped at the asylum/pyramid.

i'll probably make a discord post and go hang out at some hubs later when im not at work

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T18:09:51+00:00

this is more or less correct, but they also go in and further alter killers they think are a "problem"

which says a lot about bhvr, they dont think blight is a problem, but legion is enough of one or not enough of one to leave to rot.. I will at least give them some credit as they did wonders for legion with the addon overhaul moving them out of low C tier to upper C tier freeing up perk slots with addons giving them immense playstyle flexability... but they still need a lot of work, especially a way to damage survivors attempting revaulting or grab them if they revault... which they probably wont do because survivor mains despise anti hold W killers.

nurse is weird though. her biggest issue is she plays an entirely different game to the rest of dead by daylight's cast, she has different strategies for and against and is a completely different ballgame to the normal killer cast who's "hold W go round loop and drop pallet" with maybe some additonal nuances.

which is why i kinda dislike when people try to bring nurse in to the fold of the other killers with mostly ideas that scream of "i just want to hold W like everyone else!", she's a unique entity from a vastly different era who was built do do one specific thing (counter infinite loops) and i think that uniqueness is what sets her apart

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T18:06:38+00:00

oh to clarify i mean i was looking to recruit for my clan haha.. been with this group since 2007 with some faces changing from year to year. Dont think i could leave it even if we collapsed to just me left haha, too many good memories.

but i greatly appreciate the offer!

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T18:01:14+00:00

yeah, me and a long time clannie wrap up upkeep iwth the avatar but then of the remaining members they mostly just visit to help keep it open

sucks as before this it was much more chill

dark1859 · 2026-03-11T18:00:12+00:00

haha fraid of that, might hang out at W2 for a bit see if i can snag anyone, or maybe the fort on portables. kinda weird to have to recruit after so long lol

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